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Heaven: December book group - The Blue Carbuncle by A. Conan Doyle
For December, we have a "Christmas story". The Blue Carbuncle is a Sherlock Holmes short story set at Christmas time. One of its central characters is a goose intended for Christmas dinner!
The story is not often found on its own - but in a set of 12 Holmes short stories published as the "The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes", which is widely available - and cheaply since it's out of copyright! If you have the whole volume, then I strongly suggest you start with the Carbuncle story, and skip the first story in it, A Scandal in Bohemia, which is the weakest story in the whole volume.
As a bit of background, all these stories are set in London in the 1880s or 1890s. Holmes is a private detective who shares an apartment with his friend Dr Watson, who is a medical doctor. (The full back-story was in Doyle's first novel, A Study in Scarlet, which was published before any of the short stories. )
With Christmas approaching, and as the feature story is quite short (23 pages in my edition), I will offer a set of discussion questions fairly early in the month. Discussion will be open not only on the Carbuncle story itself, but on any of the others in the volume, and indeed on the Holmes corpus generally, including what they reveal about London and British society (high and low) in the period.
FWIW, my other favourite stories in this volume are: "The Red-headed league", "The Boscombe Valley mystery", and "The Speckled Band".
The story is not often found on its own - but in a set of 12 Holmes short stories published as the "The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes", which is widely available - and cheaply since it's out of copyright! If you have the whole volume, then I strongly suggest you start with the Carbuncle story, and skip the first story in it, A Scandal in Bohemia, which is the weakest story in the whole volume.
As a bit of background, all these stories are set in London in the 1880s or 1890s. Holmes is a private detective who shares an apartment with his friend Dr Watson, who is a medical doctor. (The full back-story was in Doyle's first novel, A Study in Scarlet, which was published before any of the short stories. )
With Christmas approaching, and as the feature story is quite short (23 pages in my edition), I will offer a set of discussion questions fairly early in the month. Discussion will be open not only on the Carbuncle story itself, but on any of the others in the volume, and indeed on the Holmes corpus generally, including what they reveal about London and British society (high and low) in the period.
FWIW, my other favourite stories in this volume are: "The Red-headed league", "The Boscombe Valley mystery", and "The Speckled Band".
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If you can find them on-line I really liked the Jeremy Brett versions of the stories from the 1980s and 1990s. The Blue Carbuncle appears to be available.
Ok, I'm in. Sign me up!
precious copy! I think I've read it before; I certainly read 'The Speckled Band'. I was about 12, and my mother told me not to. I disobeyed - and had nightmares!
One of the few Sherlock Holmes that ventures into nightmarish territory as I remember. Curiously, as I’ve just discovered, it comes immediately next after the Carbuncle, which I’ve just finished reading.
Looking forward to discussing.
'The Blue Carbuncle' was a Christmas story of sorts. And was a bit of fun, in some ways.
'A Study in Scarlet' was the first appearance of Holmes, and how he met with Watson etc. But I don't think Brett's Holmes ever covered that story?
I agree. I also found "The Creeping Man" pretty, er, creepy.
Discussion will continue until Boxing Day and beyond for those who prefer to read their Christmas stories after Christmas.
[Apologies if some of these are spoilers for those who have not yet finished the their reading.]
The first few questions here are just about that one story, whereas some later ones go to the wider Sherlock Holmes set.
(1) Their hat is, according to Holmes, one of the more distinctive features of a man. What might be some other possessions or physical features which can reveal so much about their possessor to an observer like Holmes?
(2) Goose was clearly the standard for Christmas dinner in 1880s London. Have you eaten goose? What is now the favoured meal for Christmas in your place/ culture? . Has it changed over time?
(3) Holmes and Watson have what today would called a “share house”. But theirs comes complete with a housekeeper/ cook and even a pageboy. How did they manage that?
(4) What sign tells Holmes that “this man’s wife has ceased to love him”? Do you think a present of a goose would convince her to take a more charitable view of her husband? How about Horner’s wife - do you think she still loves her husband, accused criminal though he is, and with some past “form” to go with it?
(5) How does Holmes manifest the spirit of Christmas in this story? Do you think he acted rightly in this instance?
(6) Did you notice how many newspapers were available for Holmes to place advertisement in? What media might a present-day Holmes equivalent use for a similar purpose?
(7) A few class distinctions show up in this story, but they are much more obvious in some of the other stories in ”The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes” collection - e.g. in the stories of The Noble Bachelor, the Beryl Coronet or A scandal in Bohemia. What do these stories reveal about class distinctions in 1880s Britain? In the behavior and attitudes of some of the characters? In the author’s mind, consciously or otherwise? Are these effects still manifest today in your place/ culture?
(8) What is your favourite Holmes short story of those you have read ? Why?
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I can't recall eating goose. Duck, certainly. In my family, things like Beef Wellington, Beef Bourguignon or something along those lines does for Christmas. Occasionally ham, studded with cloves. I do love the flavor of cloves.
The pageboy tends to show in the later stories, after Holmes has his practice up and running and he is collecting nice fees and could afford one. As for Mrs. Hudson acting as cook & housekeeper (and, in the early days, escorting visitors up), I always imagine her as a widow trying to find a way to keep a roof over hoer own head by taking in lodgers. For the income, cooking and housekeeping seem reasonable. I seem to recall that, in one of the later stories, Watson mentions that Holmes paid Mrs. Hudson a princely sum to live there--suggesting that for the amount he had paid over the years he could have bought the house several times over.
Not knowing more about the wife and her ability to carry a grudge, I have no idea if a goose would get her round her good side. Maybe. Especially if she particularly loved goose. As for Horner's wife...well, let's move on to the next question for a better discussion of that.
Just to be on the safe side, I am going to put this in a spoiler box because it discusses the end of the story.
All of us tend to reflect the culture of our times, for better or worse. Class distinctions certainly existed at the time and were undoubtedly in Watson's mind (that is who you meant by "author" I assume ) both consciously and unconsciously.
Oh, there are a number of ones. The suspense of "The Speckled Band" makes that a good read. I am also fond of "The Musgrave Ritual" for the puzzle, although the ending is a touch on the horrific ("The Cardboard Box" also made me shudder--far more than "Band" ever did). And I love the intrigue of "The Bruce-Partington Plans."
FYI, I attended a talk on Yorkshire dialect which mentioned that the gem definition of 'carbuncle' came first, as you say, a red gem and that the ailment came from that. A sore that was swollen and red. In the parish records there was a girl named 'Carbuncle', presumably the equivalent of naming your child 'Ruby' in the present day.
In terms of newspapers, in 1887, London had six evening papers and eleven morning papers. Holmes reeled off seven names, which included all six evening papers and "The Star" which began publishing in 1888. "The Blue Carbuncle" story was published in the January 1892 edition of The Strand Magazine. Thus, it seems that Watson wrote this story up pretty quickly after it happened!
The whole thing with the hat is interesting. I find the deduction about no gas and even the wife ceasing to love him logical, but not the deduction about the man's intelligence based on the size of the hat.
As for the goose. I've only had goose once and that was a Christmas in Austria getting on for forty years ago. I liked it then, but having been a vegetarian for over thirty years not something I'm likely to ever try again. The whole dropping the goose reminds me of the story my mother told about her dad. He was in his fifties when she was born in 1928 and worked as a commissionaire up in London. One Christmas Eve, in I guess the early 1930s he was going home to Southend with the Christmas turkey when he stopped for a drink or two. I think he managed to get back as far as Southend or maybe somewhere along that line by train, but was very much the worse for wear. Someone tied the turkey to his arm and put him in a cab home. My grandmother took it all in her stride, but then she was used to his eccentricities, such as deciding a horse was lonely and trying to bring it to a party.
I'm not sure if Holmes acted rightly or not. Ryder was such an abject sorry specimen in the TV adaptation I can imagine letting him off, though I hope Holmes would do something towards ensuring that Horner didn't lose his job over what happened.
I'll come back to some of the other questions later, but I once saw a cracking stage production of A Study in Scarlet with a very young Homes and Watson.
I’m not sure how realistic the ending is - part of me wants to say that the crime and the way it was committed are at odds with Holmes’s conclusion that Ryder was the kind of person who would be deterred from ever committing another crime by the mere fact of getting caught.
It is interesting to see how actors handle that particular deduction in film or audio versions. I heard Basil Rathbone & Nigel Bruce do a radio version of "The Blue Carbuncle" and Rathbone, when giving the "hat size measures intelligence" deduction, manages to say it so flippantly that he conveyed the impression that it was meant as a joke and not to be taken seriously.
But it wouldn't be the first time that Holmes made a blunder in a deduction. Was it "The Copper Beeches" where he deduced that the ladder outside a house was evidence that the homeowner was kidnapping the woman in the room? Apparently it didn't occur to Holmes that, if the homeowner wanted to spirit the woman away, all he had to do was go up the stairs....
(2) Goose was clearly the standard for Christmas dinner in 1880s London. Have you eaten goose? What is now the favoured meal for Christmas in your place/ culture? . Has it changed over time?
I have never eaten goose. In Australia they are not a popular food, though more popular for people of Eastern or Southern European heritage. My friend whose dad was Serbian and mum was Croatian once had a family goose that they raised and ate. But they become very tame and pet-like before being eaten, so people who have not grown up with that tradition would not be able to go through with it, even though a lot of us eat poultry killed by others! One of my neighbours had a goose in their front yard for a while a couple of years ago that acted as a guard goose, honking at everyone who walked past. It wasn't there long so I think it might have met the same fate as my friend's goose.
(4) What sign tells Holmes that “this man’s wife has ceased to love him”? Do you think a present of a goose would convince her to take a more charitable view of her husband? How about Horner’s wife - do you think she still loves her husband, accused criminal though he is, and with some past “form” to go with it?
Holme's wife was probably glad to get the replacement goose, but I don't think it would be enough to fix their marriage problems. Who knows how he treated her when he had drunk too much.
I didn't remember that Horner had a wife. I guess it depends if she was involved in his criminal enterprises or if she married him thinking he was an honest man and was ashamed of his crimes.
(5) How does Holmes manifest the spirit of Christmas in this story? Do you think he acted rightly in this instance?
I felt really sorry for Horner, especially as the blue carbuncle had an almost cursed quality in the people it had tempted to their doom. Holmes is supposed to have a genius for working people out, much like Poirot and Marple so I trust that he is accurate in his assessment of Horner.
(6) Did you notice how many newspapers were available for Holmes to place advertisement in? What media might a present-day Holmes equivalent use for a similar purpose?
Holmes would be posting on Facebook groups today and maybe other types of social media.
(8) What is your favourite Holmes short story of those you have read ? Why?
I have read quite a few Holmes stories over the years, but not recently. I enjoyed reading them, but none have stuck in my mind and I haven't watched any of the modern movies or T.V. series based on the stories. I prefer Agatha Christie stories and will read, listen or watch adaptions of her stories multiple times over the years.
(*) My wife has suggested that the relative lack of discussion of the questions I set is either (1) because (even as a retired teacher) I am no good at setting questions, or (2) perhaps because The Blue Carbuncle is "only" a short story without a lot of depth.
I've read all the Holmes stories at least once, including the ephemera. Not sure which one is my favourite, maybeThe Red Headed League or The Six Napoleons. I also like The Norwood Builder mainly because I used to live in South Norwood as did Conan Doyle. There is a plaque on the house where he used to live, a quite large, but not remarkable late Victorian villa. There is also a foundation stone inscribed with Doyle's name on the Spiritualist church round the corner from me.
The most intriguing story, I think, is The Adventure of the Yellow Face. It's set in Norbury, which ahs changed a lot since Doyle's day, which is one point of interest, but mainly because of the insight it gives into late Victorian ideas about race. Holmes also gets the solution wrong.