Are The Reform Party Actually a Threat

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  • JLBJLB Shipmate
    I spoke to someone who had been canvassing for the Green party in rural Wiltshire. She had met lots of angry older men, who were fed up that they couldn't get through to their GP surgery, couldn't speak to anyone at their bank etc.
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    I think Reform is being very clever at making Immigration the reason that people can't get GP appointments etc rather than considering if it had anything to do with ten plus years of Tory austerity.
    I do wish Labour would start to seize the agenda and that news outlets wouldn't give Farage so much airtime and column inches.
  • Yes.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    It's very difficult to win a war of ideas when the other side blatantly lies. I don't know who is telling people that asylum seekers get luxury accommodation with gourmet meals, are given iPhones and hundreds of quid a week but some bastard is.
  • stetson wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Kwesi wrote: »
    ................or just any Brit.

    Not all Brits are being specifically targeted as undesirables.

    And the Reform-voters are probably not depressed about the party's championing of their causes. Quite the opposite.

    They are, however, convinced that Starmer is trying to destroy the country by letting it be overrun by brown and trans people. Stupid lies can be just as depressing for those who believe them as the truth.

    Overrun.... by trans people.

    I am unable to comprehend the stupidity in that statement. There aren't enough trans people to overrun anything. Unless, of course, this is the fascist bigot definition of overrun that means "exist in public".
  • I hate flags.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Unless, of course, this is the fascist bigot definition of overrun that means "exist in public".

    It is. Same sort of logic that sees a panel of 5 men and 1 woman as "balanced".
  • LimentinusLimentinus Shipmate Posts: 12
    I have professionally qualified relatives currently advocating for a Reform Government. I know for sure their middle-class backsides would fall out if they met any of the flag waving crowds we see outside refugee accommodation on TV.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Limentinus wrote: »
    I have professionally qualified relatives currently advocating for a Reform Government. I know for sure their middle-class backsides would fall out if they met any of the flag waving crowds we see outside refugee accommodation on TV.

    There is always a middle and upper class coterie looking to benefit from fascism being whipped up in the lower classes.
  • SandemaniacSandemaniac Shipmate
    edited September 4
    Limentinus wrote: »
    I have professionally qualified relatives currently advocating for a Reform Government. I know for sure their middle-class backsides would fall out if they met any of the flag waving crowds we see outside refugee accommodation on TV.

    There is always a middle and upper class coterie looking to benefit from fascism being whipped up in the lower classes.

    Hmmm. Maybe I won't name the first person who came to mind to save the legal bill, but his dad was chummy with Adolf and funded the private venture aircraft that became the Bristol Blenheim.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Limentinus wrote: »
    I have professionally qualified relatives currently advocating for a Reform Government. I know for sure their middle-class backsides would fall out if they met any of the flag waving crowds we see outside refugee accommodation on TV.

    Do you think they make a connection between the Reform Party and the mobs outside the refugee shelters, but just prefer to ignore it? Or do they really not see the linkage?
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    One Refirm council has forced libraries to put any kids books on gender that doesn’t fit what they want in adult sections when someone calls out Reform they claim free speech. It appears only to be for what they want to say. Fascists they are

    Do you have a source for this? Not because I'm doubting you, I'm just interested to look at the facts of the case as it sounds legally questionable.

    Been busy. Here is a link to the BBC
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6257p2vry3o
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    "My fellow Reform members and I believe that our young people should be protected from exposure to potentially harmful ideologies and beliefs", Paul Webb, Reform UK's communities portfolio holder.

    So, Mr Webb, what are you doing to protect young people from exposure to definitely harmful ideologies and beliefs, such as the fiction that immigrants are "illegal" or a greater danger to people? or that it's OK to shout abuse at vulnerable people crammed into former hotels with no amenities? or, that being gay is wrong? or, that giving money to the rich helps the poor? or, any of the other ideologies and beliefs that Reform UK leaders and supporters routinely spout?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    "My fellow Reform members and I believe that our young people should be protected from exposure to potentially harmful ideologies and beliefs", Paul Webb, Reform UK's communities portfolio holder.

    So, Mr Webb, what are you doing to protect young people from exposure to definitely harmful ideologies and beliefs, such as the fiction that immigrants are "illegal" or a greater danger to people? or that it's OK to shout abuse at vulnerable people crammed into former hotels with no amenities? or, that being gay is wrong? or, that giving money to the rich helps the poor? or, any of the other ideologies and beliefs that Reform UK leaders and supporters routinely spout?

    Well, in his mind, there's probably no contradiction, since he likely considers all those ideas in the second paragraph to be true and hence not harmful.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    edited September 7
    Just the BBC's Chief Political Correspondent laundering Reform: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62zdpke8kko

    Of course the self described (in the opening) political nerd doesn't get around to discussing actual policies, or - say - a health spokesperson claiming the King and Princess of Wales developed cancer due to the Covid vaccine or even a woman convicted of incitement getting a standing ovation.

    And I thought that five years ago racism was a terrible scourge that needed to be driven out of public life?
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited September 7
    Just the BBC's Chief Political Correspondent laundering Reform: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62zdpke8kko

    Of course the self described (in the opening) political nerd doesn't get around to discussing actual policies, or - say - a health spokesperson claiming the King and Princess of Wales developed cancer due to the Covid vaccine or even a woman convicted of incitement getting a standing ovation.

    And I thought that five years ago racism was a terrible scourge that needed to be driven out of public life?

    Yes - those are both terrifying. Especially the latter. Whatever your view of the whole free speech aspect, this is someone who advocated arson attacks against people's temporary homes.

    How many steps are we now from Kristallnacht?
  • I think we're going to find out.
  • Well, we are discussing what to do, when that time arrives. The only possibility for old gits like us is keep your head down. Don't go on demonstrations, don't raise a peep. It may be cowardly, but I can't see an alternative. And I remember the poem, they came for the asylum seekers, and I did nothing ...
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    How many steps are we now from Kristallnacht?

    Well, Labour keep moving in a direction that makes even more radical steps ever easier:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/07/military-sites-house-asylum-seekers-labour
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Well, we are discussing what to do, when that time arrives. The only possibility for old gits like us is keep your head down. Don't go on demonstrations, don't raise a peep. It may be cowardly, but I can't see an alternative. And I remember the poem, they came for the asylum seekers, and I did nothing ...

    Who is the "us" here? And such a stance makes you (general you) complicit in such a Kristallnacht - to not speak up makes you an accomplice to evil. We have many examples of the alternative. If they could do it, why couldn't you? Why can't you go on demonstrations and speak up?
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