Jacinda Ardern stepping down as PM of Aotearoa/NZ

HuiaHuia Shipmate
It's just been announced at the Labour Party Conference today. She is obviously giving her successor time to settle into the job before the election later this year. Opinion polls don't favour Labour for the election, but Ms Ardern has topped the "preferred Prime Minister" polls since the last election.

I admit being totally gobsmacked by this news,

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  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Can we borrow her for a bit?
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    I don't think so Gee D. I've just heard a the announcement over the news since I first posted. She said she knows what the job takes and doesn't have enough "left in the tank" to do it.

    I think NZ will lurch further right in the elections which will be in October or November, and we may end up with a National/Act Party combination. If Act is involved I fear for the future of race relations here.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    It seemed to me that, like Justin Trudeau, Ardern went through a fairly intense and prolonged honeymoon period, focused on her youth and idealism and apexed by her response to the mosque shootings, and then slid into a period of, not quite disillusionment, but more "Eh, she's okay, maybe I'll vote for her next time if the other options are crap."

    Is this perception accurate? Admittedly, her handling of the gun-control issue got heavily filtered for international consumption, by people in other countries pushing their own agendas on the same issue: "America offers hope and prayers, New Zealand outlaws guns!"

    [FWIW, when I heard people say, a few days after the shooting, that "New Zealand has banned guns!", I assumed they were either seriously hyperbolizing the speed of events, or New Zealand has a very different version of Westminister than the other Realms.]
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    I can very much understand her position, much as I'd like her to keep going for ever. I really can't see anyone on our political scene who comes anywhere near her.
  • Gee D wrote: »
    I can very much understand her position, much as I'd like her to keep going for ever. I really can't see anyone on our political scene who comes anywhere near her.

    I agree 100% with this, and her graceful resignation speech was really quite moving. It's wholly understandable that she wants to spend time with her daughter, who starts school this year, and she also made it quite clear that she and her partner are to get married this year...

    Given that she seems to be falling out of favour with the electorate, it's sensible to quit before she gets pushed out in the nasty way we have in this country.

    As you say, there's no-one else on the political scene in Australia, or anywhere else in the *western* world, quite like her. That is our loss - we and others have to put up with the likes of Trump, Johnson, Bolsonaro etc. etc.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    It seemed to me that, like Justin Trudeau, Ardern went through a fairly intense and prolonged honeymoon period, focused on her youth and idealism and apexed by her response to the mosque shootings, and then slid into a period of, not quite disillusionment, but more "Eh, she's okay, maybe I'll vote for her next time if the other options are crap."

    Is this perception accurate? Admittedly, her handling of the gun-control issue got heavily filtered for international consumption, by people in other countries pushing their own agendas on the same issue: "America offers hope and prayers, New Zealand outlaws guns!"

    [FWIW, when I heard people say, a few days after the shooting, that "New Zealand has banned guns!", I assumed they were either seriously hyperbolizing the speed of events, or New Zealand has a very different version of Westminister than the other Realms.]

    Stetson I know that there was multi-party support on the gun legislation possibly because people were so horrified at the shootings, nothing on this scale had happened here before. My (possibly faulty) memory is that there was an arms amnesty and the Police started collecting up firearms from people who volunteered them before the actual legislation was passed for them to do so on a mandatory basis - the unspoken message being "you might as well hand them over now, because they are going to be taken anyway".

    I think that there was a honeymoon period too, which probably ended with the Covid lockdowns and the vaccinations which were mandated for some occupations. Alongside that was the virulence of anti- Jacinda posts on social and the threats to her and her family.

    There are a couple of articles in The Guardian (English newspaper by Tess McClure - a NZ journalist that I think sum up the situation fairly well.
  • Westminster isn't a 'realm', it's a Parliament.

    Anyhow - I always thought she was seen as having handled the pandemic well.

    I know diddly-squat about New Zealand politics but she's tended to have had a good press over here in the UK. Can't speak for anywhere else but can imagine the gun thing didn't go down well in parts of the US.

    Her resignation did come as a surprise.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Westminster isn't a 'realm', it's a Parliament.

    But New Zealand is a Realm which has a very different version of Westminster than other Realms do.
  • stonespringstonespring Shipmate
    edited January 24
    Why did Ardern drop so low in her polling? Was it resentment at the Covid lockdowns and restrictions, upset over the state of the economy and inflation coming out of pandemic restrictions, housing unaffordability, or something else? I’ve heard that quite a few people who voted for her and aren’t right wing or antivax crazies are disappointed in her accomplishments in office.
  • How can true gender equity be achieved for politicians and executives in the age people are most likely to have children? Should both men and women be forced to take the full amount of parental leave? Should “caretaking time” be mandatory in every employment contract and should employees with children or ill/elderly family be forced to take it whether they want to or not? Free childcare and elder care and paid leave to care for children and other family goes a long way towards helping women enter and advance in the workplace, as does incentivizing men to take parental leave themselves. But unless male full-time workers are forced (and compensated) to care for their children and families as much as female full-time workers tend to do, will women who have children during their careers always be playing catch up with men or driven to burnout?
  • BroJames wrote: »
    Westminster isn't a 'realm', it's a Parliament.

    But New Zealand is a Realm which has a very different version of Westminster than other Realms do.

    Alright. I get it now.
  • MPaulMPaul Shipmate
    Why did Ardern drop so low in her polling?
    She still had a lot of friends but maybe the mandating of vaccines? People like teachers lost jobs if they refused. You couldn’t go to a cafe without a vaccine pass. If you lived in Auckland it was a virtual prison compared to the rest of the country and there maybe has been a retrospective backlash of resentment.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    MPaul wrote: »
    Why did Ardern drop so low in her polling?
    She still had a lot of friends but maybe the mandating of vaccines? People like teachers lost jobs if they refused. You couldn’t go to a cafe without a vaccine pass. If you lived in Auckland it was a virtual prison compared to the rest of the country and there maybe has been a retrospective backlash of resentment.

    Many here support the steps introduced in NZ. Life would not have been as free as we'd like it but compare what was achieved with the results in the US.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    I think there's a lot of truth in what MPaul says. I'm not in Auckland, so wasn't locked down to the same extent, and I'm a fairly solitary person, so restrictions such as we had were not as difficult for me. The thing I hated most was being masked, but I still happily wear a mask on buses where they are not compulsory, but are highly recommended.

    Then there's also the on-line hate directed at prominent women. I don't read social media, so was unaware of the virulence of some of the comments I read reported in other media.

    As of today we have a new Prime Minister and Jacinda Ardern will be resigning her seat in April, taking her daughter Neave to school on her first day and marrying her partner Clarke Gayford (though not necessarily in that order). I wish her well.
  • I'm sure we all wish her well. What a contrast to the graceless spivs we have to put up with here...
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