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  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    IS IT TIME YET? Saturday Aug. 10, 2019

    US Deaths by gun violence Friday, 8/9/19
    15
    US Injuries by gun violence Friday, 8/9/19:
    35
    Incidents in 24 states*
    *Does not include shootings with no casualties

    DAYS SINCE LAST MASS SHOOTING**: 2
    **4 or more deaths/injuries to victims

    Information courtesy of GunViolenceArchive.org

  • DooneDoone Shipmate
    What @Ohher said, with thanks.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    Yet another fuckwit, though Norway this time.
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    Well, there you go. Spreading US culcha everywhere -- Coke, movies, violence, guns . . .
  • Because there was no violence anywhere in the world before 1776.
  • mousethief wrote: »
    Because there was no violence anywhere in the world before 1776.

    Certainly not in the British Empire! We just turned up with a flag and all the natives were overwhelmed with gratitude that they cheerfully and freely gave their allegiance to the British Crown. (And all their wealth, of course).

    We should never stop critiquing and holding to account the USA (or any other nation) for their failings. It is totally unconscionable that the USA cannot sort out its gun problem but it's not responsible for other countries.*

    AFZ

    *in this case Norway, which is just silly to make the link.
    OTOH, you wanna hold the US accountable for the level of violence in Columbia, now we have a sensible conversation.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    edited August 2019
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  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    edited August 2019
    mousethief wrote: »
    Pence's basic policy, as it was publicized, was that he doesn't a) have dinner alone with another woman and b) attend events with alcohol without his wife. As a personal code I don't really see it as a problem, until it actually impedes women's careers or prevents important work from being done. But since it's Pence we're talking about, well, he's a dickhead.

    But he's basically saying, without these standards imposed (even if self imposed), I know I would be a rapist.

    It's not unlike people who say that without the fear of Hell they'd be out killing and stealing and raping. What kind of monster really is that way?

    He could also be doing it to minimise the risks of being called a rapist; or even (though I doubt it) to say that he takes women's concerns seriously and demonstrates this by showing how safe he is, to the extent of being chaperoned by his wife.
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    mousethief wrote: »
    Pence's basic policy, as it was publicized, was that he doesn't a) have dinner alone with another woman and b) attend events with alcohol without his wife. As a personal code I don't really see it as a problem, until it actually impedes women's careers or prevents important work from being done. But since it's Pence we're talking about, well, he's a dickhead.

    But he's basically saying, without these standards imposed (even if self imposed), I know I would be a rapist.

    It's not unlike people who say that without the fear of Hell they'd be out killing and stealing and raping. What kind of monster really is that way?

    No he's not.
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    I suspect they would need a longer period than an hour...
    :anguished:

    86,400 seconds in a year. If you wanted to flash up each name for 2 seconds, you'd need a day just for the 2018 victims.

    Er, that's a day. There are 31,536,000 (365 days) or 31,558,149.763546 (sidereal average).‬
  • Martin54 wrote: »
    I suspect they would need a longer period than an hour...
    :anguished:

    86,400 seconds in a year. If you wanted to flash up each name for 2 seconds, you'd need a day just for the 2018 victims.

    Er, that's a day. There are 31,536,000 (365 days) or 31,558,149.763546 (sidereal average).‬

    Thanks for the correction... I said it right in the second part of my post...
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    Martin54 wrote: »
    I suspect they would need a longer period than an hour...
    :anguished:

    86,400 seconds in a year. If you wanted to flash up each name for 2 seconds, you'd need a day just for the 2018 victims.

    Er, that's a day. There are 31,536,000 (365 days) or 31,558,149.763546 (sidereal average).‬

    Thanks for the correction... I said it right in the second part of my post...

    Indeed you implicitly did.
  • mousethief wrote: »
    Because there was no violence anywhere in the world before 1776.

    Certainly not in the British Empire! We just turned up with a flag and all the natives were overwhelmed with gratitude that they cheerfully and freely gave their allegiance to the British Crown. (And all their wealth, of course).

    We should never stop critiquing and holding to account the USA (or any other nation) for their failings. It is totally unconscionable that the USA cannot sort out its gun problem but it's not responsible for other countries.*

    AFZ

    *in this case Norway, which is just silly to make the link.
    OTOH, you wanna hold the US accountable for the level of violence in Columbia, now we have a sensible conversation.

    No no no. In the British Empire the natives were mysteriously absent, so the territory became free for settlement by Penal Colonies full of Irish rebels and East-enders.
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    IS IT TIME YET? Sunday Aug. 11, 2019

    US Deaths by gun violence Saturday, 8/10/19
    10
    US Injuries by gun violence Saturday, 8/10/19:
    41
    Incidents in 20 states*
    *Does not include shootings with no casualties

    DAYS SINCE LAST MASS SHOOTING**: 0
    **4 or more deaths/injuries to victims
    8 injuries in mass shootings in Illinois 8/9 & Virginia 8/10

    Information courtesy of GunViolenceArchive.org

  • Simon Toad wrote: »
    I've sometimes thought that PBS Newshour should display an honor roll of Americans killed by gunshot after the news like they used to do with people killed in Iraq.

    They did that? obscene unless it include Iraqi civilians.
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    IS IT TIME YET? Monday Aug. 12, 2019

    US Deaths by gun violence Sunday, 8/11/19
    15
    US Injuries by gun violence Sunday, 8/11/19:
    54
    Incidents in 22 states*
    *Does not include shootings with no casualties

    DAYS SINCE LAST MASS SHOOTING**: 0
    **4 or more deaths/injuries to victims
    8/11 Chicago mass shooting, 6 injuries.
    Information courtesy of GunViolenceArchive.org
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Climacus wrote: »
    That's a long way short of every mass shooting victim. It doesn't include those who were injured, of course including injury to mental and emotional health. Nor does it include the friends and families of those who were killed or have had their lives changed. They're all victims.

    And, that's just the mass shooting victims.
  • there doesn't even need to be a shot fired. I know two bank employees who were mentally destroyed after being present in multiple bank robberies. I also knew a bloke who was destroyed after being robbed at gunpoint at a servo while stoned.
  • Climacus wrote: »
    That's a long way short of every mass shooting victim. It doesn't include those who were injured, of course including injury to mental and emotional health. Nor does it include the friends and families of those who were killed or have had their lives changed. They're all victims.

    And, that's just the mass shooting victims.

    Yep.

    I think it's always important to talk about all gun deaths - around 60% of which are death by suicide. But if you're just interested in the firearm homicide rate, it's over 14,000. With the total number of firearm deaths recorded as 39,773 (c.f. motor vehicle deaths of 38,659).

    These figures, of course are for one single year! (2017 as that's the last complete data set)(Source=CDC).

    This is a really good breakdown of 'active shooter incidents' (2000-2017) and semiautomatic weapons versus handguns and rifles. Essentially the death-toll doubles if the shooter has a semiautomatic weapon. Don't try to tell me that sensible laws can't reduce gun deaths. Get the assault weapons off the streets and that would be huge step in the right direction!

    AFZ

  • Alienfromzog wrote:

    I think it's always important to talk about all gun deaths - around 60% of which are death by suicide.

    That's the statistic that always makes me wonder why people keep thinking it's a good idea to buy a gun, "to protect my family." If you have anyone in your family who has a mental illness, suffers from depression, suffers from bad PMS, is highly emotional, has an alcohol or drug problem, or someone who happens to be a teenager, why in the world would you want them to have an easily accessible means of suicide?
  • Twilight wrote: »
    Alienfromzog wrote:

    I think it's always important to talk about all gun deaths - around 60% of which are death by suicide.

    That's the statistic that always makes me wonder why people keep thinking it's a good idea to buy a gun, "to protect my family." If you have anyone in your family who has a mental illness, suffers from depression, suffers from bad PMS, is highly emotional, has an alcohol or drug problem, or someone who happens to be a teenager, why in the world would you want them to have an easily accessible means of suicide?

    This. Very much this.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate, Glory
    Maybe they are more concerned with Dangers From Outside? (E.g., robbers, rapists, gov't, violent exes.) TTBOMK, that's the way the main US gun myth goes: protect yourself, your family, your home, and your land.

    If that's their focus, they may not consider (to paraphrase a film quote) "the danger is coming from *inside* the house!!!"

    I don't know how to get people, society, mythology past that--especially in a world that is so dangerous and crazy. The guns are comfort items*, and make owners feel safe.

    *Compare with teddy bears, blankies, etc.
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    It might help if our TV, films, games, poplit, etc. weren't stuffed to the gills with violence of the "massively-armed, massively-yet-somehow-righteously-violent hero saves the world" variety.
  • OhherOhher Shipmate

    IS IT TIME YET? Tuesday Aug. 13, 2019

    US Deaths by gun violence Monday, 8/12/19
    19, including one 7-y.o.
    US Injuries by gun violence Monday, 8/12/19:
    53
    Incidents in 23 states*
    *Does not include shootings with no casualties

    DAYS SINCE LAST MASS SHOOTING**: 1
    **4 or more deaths/injuries to victims

    Information courtesy of GunViolenceArchive.org

  • Guy who escaped from a psych ward went troppo with a butchers knife today in Sydney. Stabbed one woman and tried to stab others. A body was found in a nearby apartment that is not yet linked to him.

    He was chased down by three blokes. One had a milk crate, two grabbed cafe chairs. They disarmed the bloke with a knife and restrained him using the chairs and the milk crate on his head. I think the pictures show them protecting the perp from getting a kicking. They held the bloke until the cops arrived.

    To stop a bad person with a knife, you only need a good one with a plastic milk crate.

  • Great example, Simon.

    Today's Dayton news is all about our mass shooter's best friend who had helped him buy gun attachments and body armor. The two also did drugs together, marijuana on an almost daily basis. I think Ohio and many other states will soon make marijuana legal, which combined with the guns will only make things worse. I recently read a very convincing book about the relationship between violent episodes and today's new and improved marijuana
    Tell Your Children
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Twilight wrote: »
    I recently read a very convincing book about the relationship between violent episodes and today's new and improved marijuana
    Tell Your Children

    Convincing? Maybe look a little closer. Here's an interview with a scientist at UCLA who says he grossly misinterpreted the conclusions of her research. Also suspicious: this book has no bibliography.
  • TubbsTubbs Admin Emeritus, Epiphanies Host
    Ruth wrote: »
    Twilight wrote: »
    I recently read a very convincing book about the relationship between violent episodes and today's new and improved marijuana
    Tell Your Children

    Convincing? Maybe look a little closer. Here's an interview with a scientist at UCLA who says he grossly misinterpreted the conclusions of her research. Also suspicious: this book has no bibliography.

    Good non-fiction books always include references and bibliographies. The ones that don’t tend to have an angle and don’t want you double checking their conclusions. In case you come across actual facts.

    But will the shops in states that have legalised weed will be trying to sell shunk (the super strong stuff) or the normal stuff?
  • Climacus wrote: »
    That's a long way short of every mass shooting victim. It doesn't include those who were injured, of course including injury to mental and emotional health. Nor does it include the friends and families of those who were killed or have had their lives changed. They're all victims.

    And, that's just the mass shooting victims.

    Yep.

    I think it's always important to talk about all gun deaths - around 60% of which are death by suicide. But if you're just interested in the firearm homicide rate, it's over 14,000. With the total number of firearm deaths recorded as 39,773 (c.f. motor vehicle deaths of 38,659).

    These figures, of course are for one single year! (2017 as that's the last complete data set)(Source=CDC).

    This is a really good breakdown of 'active shooter incidents' (2000-2017) and semiautomatic weapons versus handguns and rifles. Essentially the death-toll doubles if the shooter has a semiautomatic weapon. Don't try to tell me that sensible laws can't reduce gun deaths. Get the assault weapons off the streets and that would be huge step in the right direction!

    AFZ

    It's worth spelling out that the CDC is the Centre for Disease Control. The USA is a very sick country, and they know it.
  • Twilight wrote: »
    That's the statistic that always makes me wonder why people keep thinking it's a good idea to buy a gun, "to protect my family." If you have anyone in your family who has a mental illness, suffers from depression, suffers from bad PMS, is highly emotional, has an alcohol or drug problem, or someone who happens to be a teenager, why in the world would you want them to have an easily accessible means of suicide?

    1. People are horrible at estimating risk.
    2. Statistics apply to other, ordinary, people. We're special.
  • Ruth wrote: »
    Twilight wrote: »
    I recently read a very convincing book about the relationship between violent episodes and today's new and improved marijuana
    Tell Your Children

    Convincing? Maybe look a little closer. Here's an interview with a scientist at UCLA who says he grossly misinterpreted the conclusions of her research. Also suspicious: this book has no bibliography.

    Yes, you can see lots of those same complaints about the book in the Amazon reviews on the page I linked. I still found it very convincing, mainly because he had so much anecdotal evidence that matched my own observations.

    I think, before we make it legal, it's the pro side that should be coming up with studies proving how safe it is. I grew up with everyone saying how safe it is and anyone who said anything against it got the Reefer Madness jeering, but I've seen it ruin lives and hate the idea of making it even more prevalent.

  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host, Glory
    Ruth wrote: »
    Convincing? Maybe look a little closer. Here's an interview with a scientist at UCLA who says he grossly misinterpreted the conclusions of her research. Also suspicious: this book has no bibliography.
    Thank you, Ruth. I found that fascinating.


  • I found her use of words fascinating he "overstated" the risks, scientists don't yet have data that "strongly support" his theory and she believe his book is "dangerous." Really? He isn't claiming to be writing a book about a control study, but to warn people about the direction science is leaning. What's "dangerous" is using an entire generation of young people as guinea pigs while waiting for conclusive evidence that it can be harmful.

    Sorry to have started this tangent but it does have one thing in common with guns, people get really upset when you talk about taking away their rights to possess either one.
  • My personal experience with dope smoking on the weekends for about 20 years was that it seemed to either mess with my capacity to deal with stress, which triggered bi-polar in me, or it just straight out triggered my bi-polar. That's all guesswork of course. Maybe I would have developed bi-polar disorder if I had been a hermit in the Egyptian desert in the second century, or maybe even a pole-sitter.
  • No, you'd have developed uni-polar disorder.

    I'll get me coat...meanwhile (back to the thread), please don't shoot me...
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    IS IT TIME YET? Wednesday Aug. 14, 2019

    US Deaths by gun violence Tuesday, 8/13/19
    13
    US Injuries by gun violence Tuesday, 8/13/19:
    42
    Incidents in 21 states*
    *Does not include shootings with no casualties

    DAYS SINCE LAST MASS SHOOTING**: 2
    **4 or more deaths/injuries to victims

    Information courtesy of GunViolenceArchive.org

  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    Yes. I'll wait until GunViolenceArchive.org updates to list these casualties.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate, Glory
    I've seen mentions of two gun stores (Arizona and Texas) with advertised "back to school" sales on guns. One ad even mentioned an assault rifle.

    People are NOT happy about it.

    I'm not sure of Arizona's history of school shootings. But *TEXAS*? **Now???**
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    This afternoon I heard the sounds helicopters overhead and multiple vehicles moving down our street. I glanced out and saw police vehicles with lights flashing moving through the neighborhood. "Oh, no! there's an incident going on!" But, no they were moving slowly and were highly ordered. And there were dozens of them. It was a cortege of law enforcement escorting the hearse carrying the body of a local officer gunned down during a traffic stop. My street is one of the closest connectors to a mortuary around the corner. Here's the story: https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/13/us/riverside-california-shooting/index.html
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    Well, I managed to stay up past any sensible bedtime again, so I guess I'll do the daily body count:

    IS IT TIME YET? Thursday Aug. 15, 2019

    US Deaths by gun violence Wednesday, 8/14/19
    16
    US Injuries by gun violence Wednesday, 8/14/19:
    46
    Incidents in 22 states*
    *Does not include shootings with no casualties

    DAYS SINCE LAST MASS SHOOTING**: 0
    **4 or more deaths/injuries to victims

    Information courtesy of GunViolenceArchive.org
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    A meme on my twitter feed today -

    “It took 50 police to shoot one gunman who shot six of them - and you want a math teacher to protect your children?”

    :angry:
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    IS IT TIME YET? Friday Aug. 16, 2019

    US Deaths by gun violence Thursday, 8/15/19
    19
    US Injuries by gun violence Thursday, 8/15/19:
    62
    Incidents in 33 states*
    *Does not include shootings with no casualties

    DAYS SINCE LAST MASS SHOOTING**: 0
    **4 or more deaths/injuries to victims

    Information courtesy of GunViolenceArchive.org
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    IS IT TIME YET? Saturday Aug. 17, 2019

    US Deaths by gun violence Friday, 8/16/19
    19
    US Injuries by gun violence Friday, 8/16/19:
    30
    Incidents in 40 states*
    *Does not include shootings with no casualties

    DAYS SINCE LAST MASS SHOOTING**: 1
    **4 or more deaths/injuries to victims

    Information courtesy of GunViolenceArchive.org
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    IS IT TIME YET? Sunday Aug. 18, 2019

    US Deaths by gun violence Saturday, 8/17/19
    22
    US Injuries by gun violence Saturday, 8/17/19:
    56
    Incidents in 22 states*
    *Does not include shootings with no casualties

    DAYS SINCE LAST MASS SHOOTING**: 0
    **4 or more deaths/injuries to victims

    Information courtesy of GunViolenceArchive.org
  • Yesterday, the Caprica City police were called to my building because one of my neighbours - who has been going downhill for quite some time - assaulted two other neighbours with a cattle prod. He was armed, dangerous, uncooperative, delusional, withdrawing from meth, and hopped-up on Red Bull. He was taken into custody with non-lethal force. They used the Arwen on him four times (!), then Tasered him. He may have suffered a broken pinkie when he fell to the ground. According to police, he will likely be charged with assault and then transferred to hospital for psychiatric assessment. The pinkie will be checked by medical staff when he arrives at the lockup.

    Oh, did I mention no bullets flew and nobody died?

  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    In this context what is the "Arwen" please?

    Good that no guns were used.
  • I looked up Arwen and got Liv Tyler. I imagine most men would not mind having her used on them four times.

    I too was glad no one was badly hurt.
  • Huia wrote: »
    In this context what is the "Arwen" please?

    Good that no guns were used.

    Apparently it's a kind of plastic projectile.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARWEN_37


    There are also Calgary Police demonstration videos on YouTube.

    AFZ
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