Heaven: 2021 Proof Americans and Brits speak a different language

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  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
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  • orfeoorfeo Suspended
    Gee D wrote: »
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    What. Is. The. Average. Life. Expectancy?
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    No idea off the top of my head, but no idea either of its relevance.
  • orfeoorfeo Suspended
    You're querying whether I'm old enough to be middle-aged, and you don't see the relevance of knowing how long people live?

    Okay then.
  • Typically 50 is described as middle aged. It's not a half way point to death by years.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Typically 50 is described as middle aged. It's not a half way point to death by years.

    Exactly my point - middle-aged is an attitude, not a chronological age. There was a fellow in my year who was middle-aged when he started uni - like most of us, he chronological age was 17.
  • orfeoorfeo Suspended
    edited March 2020
    Which makes even less sense of your comment. You set an age of 50, and now you're declaring that it's an "attitude" rather than a chronological age, while claiming that you're agreeing with @NOprophet_NØprofit ?

    You're not. And you don't even realise it.

    This is frankly ridiculous. If middle-aged is an attitude, then you have absolutely no business in trying to tell me I'm too young to be middle-aged in the first place.

    I'm middle-aged. The 70s were a long time ago. You're old. Deal with it.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    orfeo wrote: »

    I'm middle-aged. The 70s were a long time ago. You're old. Deal with it.

    I'm not old - I'm ancient.
  • Robert ArminRobert Armin Shipmate, Glory
    orfeo wrote: »
    Gee D wrote: »
    Hang on, the 70s are pretty recent.

    Yes, well, we've established in a different thread that to you they are. But I'm a middle-aged man and I have some difficulty remembering much of Kindergarten in '79.

    You're a mere youngster. Enjoy!
  • edited March 2020
    orfeo wrote: »
    Which makes even less sense of your comment. You set an age of 50, and now you're declaring that it's an "attitude" rather than a chronological age, while claiming that you're agreeing with @NOprophet_NØprofit ?

    You're not. And you don't even realise it.

    This is frankly ridiculous. If middle-aged is an attitude, then you have absolutely no business in trying to tell me I'm too young to be middle-aged in the first place.

    I'm middle-aged. The 70s were a long time ago. You're old. Deal with it.

    70 years old can be young. The term "older adult" is used a fair bit to describe over 60 or 65. Some 70 year olds look and act like they're in their 50s. Some people in their 50s look and act like they're 70. If you're old when you're 40, my immediate thoughts are health status: smoking, alcohol consumption, diet, stamina, chronic health conditions.

    If you're young when you're 70 I think you probably have a family history that helps. But this isn't genes. It's the list above plus the "social determinants of health". Plus the attitudes toward activities of life. There's a nice list here, with a list specific to Canada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_determinants_of_health

    So you're not required to be "middle aged" at any age. Consider people you know at the same age: some will be healthy and fit, some will be less so. And consider why.

    Things as simple as it being possible to walk versus must drive a car are social determinants of health.
  • 70 is not "young". That's just fucking with language beyond what it can endure. If you live to be 90 or 100, you're old for a long time, you're not young at 70.
  • Yep. A 70-year-old can have a young or youthful attitude, or even have the health of a younger person or look younger than 70, but 70 years is still 70 years, and 70 years ain’t young for a human.

  • mousethief wrote: »
    70 is not "young". That's just fucking with language beyond what it can endure. If you live to be 90 or 100, you're old for a long time, you're not young at 70.

    Wait a few years.
  • orfeoorfeo Suspended
    edited March 2020
    mousethief wrote: »
    70 is not "young". That's just fucking with language beyond what it can endure. If you live to be 90 or 100, you're old for a long time, you're not young at 70.

    This. You can't be either "young at 70" or "old at 70". The clue is that 70 represents your age. All those other things are doing is comparing your health or behaviour to your actual age.

    Confusing this objective fact with the question of mental attitude is what leads to nonsense like the Dutch guy who went to court to get his date of birth changed on his birth certificate because he didn't feel that old.

    We weren't discussing how I look and act, not least because the vast majority of you have never laid eyes on my fair and rosy complexion. The entire knowledge base was that I was in Kindergarten in '79. As were many, many other people born around the same time as me, regardless of whether they're currently "acting their age", "old before their time" or having a mid-life crisis involving young girlfriends and sports cars.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    My father was not quite 103 when he died, and that is very old. I'm recently 73 and my sisters are 76 and not quite 78; we are old, although such euphemisms as "not as young as we once were" are gentle on the ears. The younger of my sisters and I take after our father so we may well have a fair bit of time left.
  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host
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    It seems to me that there is a wee spat taking place. Shall we get back to the subject of the thread?
    Thank you for your kind attention.
    jj cranks the eyebrow to neutral position

    jj-HH
  • All this because of a casual conversation I had with an Aussie nearly fifty years ago? Good thing I never post serious stuff here.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    I have just consulted Pippi Longstocking (1954 translation), and Pippi's hair is "braided into pigtails". That is therefore clearly the correct terminology.
  • Dafyd wrote: »
    I have just consulted Pippi Longstocking (1954 translation), and Pippi's hair is "braided into pigtails". That is therefore clearly the correct terminology.

    What was the nationality of the translator?
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    edited March 2020
    I can't find biographical details for the translator: I think it's a Scandinavian surname. The publication details say the translation was first published in the UK.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate, Glory

    And thank you for the reminders about Zenna Henderson. They will be good comfort reading.

    The movie "The People" was made from those books. Saw it on TV as a kid, and it made an impression on me. I later read the books, but barely remember them.

  • Robert ArminRobert Armin Shipmate, Glory
    I had no idea that there was a film. I wonder if it's on Netflix
  • @Dafyd There are different translations and there are differences between the English and American English editions. For example English Pippi Goes Aboard is Pippi Goes on Board in American English, spluttification loses it's "S", etc. My sisters were given the Pippi books by Swedish au pairs in the 1950s.
  • NicoleMRNicoleMR Shipmate
    edited March 2020
    Robert Armin, the movie mashes up a lot of the stories into one narrative and changes a lot. As I remember it (haven't seen it in MANY years) it's a pretty good movie but don't expect versimilitude.

    Oh and there is a collected book of the stories of The People called Ingathering. I got it through amazon.
  • The non-People ones are well worth reading as well. Those are The Anything Box and Holding Wonder.
  • SparrowSparrow Shipmate
    Some excellent Christian themed stories in there too. I remember particularly "Food for All Flesh" and "Stevie and the Dark".
  • Yes--"Food for all Flesh" was one C. S. Lewis picked up on and promptly forgot where he'd found it! He bewailed the fact in a letter, I believe. If he hadn't died before I was born, I'd have let him know...
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    I picked up on one of her stories every time I gave blood, and prayed for the recipients as it flowed.
  • Robert ArminRobert Armin Shipmate, Glory
    Henderson is addressing the same issue as Lewis; if there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, how will God have revealed himself to them?
  • Hubby was born and bred in California, I was born and bred in Virginia. I am certain at times we speak two different languages. Soda, and Soft drink being just one example, there are many many more. It does not take an ocean to accomplish this, a large land mass appears to be able to do the same thing.
  • Soda, and Soft drink being just one example, there are many many more.
    Yes! That’s another standard marker of regional word usage in the US—what to call carbonated beverages. Where I grew up (North Carolina) and when I was growing up, it was soft drink or Coke, regardless of the actual brand. Coke meant any soft drink; if that specific brand of cola was meant, it was a Co’Cola. I don’t hear Coke used as a generic term for soft drink much anymore, maybe because of the arrival of Diet Coke, but I still hear Co’Cola from older folks. (And I still say it.)
  • Pop.
    Though soft drink is a secondary term. Never soda.
  • rhubarbrhubarb Shipmate
    I hear fizzy drink as well as soft drink.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    'Minerals' in my (Irish) childhood. Very disappointed as a teenager to buy a bottle of 'Mineralwasser' in Germany and discover it was, in fact, water...
  • in Scotland, you will often hear of carbonated drinks being referred to as "Juice" even if it never came near a fruit in its life. In certain areas you will also hear it referred to as "Ginger"

    'Gie's a boatle a ginger, missis,'
    - 'What kinna ginger, son?'
    'Lemonade.'
  • SparrowSparrow Shipmate
    Henderson is addressing the same issue as Lewis; if there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, how will God have revealed himself to them?

    Seems like a good cue for me to link to one of my favourite poems: "Christ in the Universe" by Alice Meynell.


    http://www.poetry-archive.com/m/christ_in_the_universe.html

  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Wet Kipper wrote: »
    in Scotland, you will often hear of carbonated drinks being referred to as "Juice" even if it never came near a fruit in its life. In certain areas you will also hear it referred to as "Ginger"

    'Gie's a boatle a ginger, missis,'
    - 'What kinna ginger, son?'
    'Lemonade.'

    Donoghue v Stevenson involved a snail in what we are told was a bottle of ginger beer. I've always assumed that it was in fact ginger beer. From this it seems as if it might have been orangeade or some other soft drink (although I think that in 30's Scotland we can safely assume that it was not Passiona).
  • Robert ArminRobert Armin Shipmate, Glory
    "Pop" was what we said when I was a kid (in the UK). Haven't heard it used for years though.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    "Pop" was what we said when I was a kid (in the UK). Haven't heard it used for years though.

    Round here it's used of still cold drinks as well as carbonated ones.
  • NicoleMRNicoleMR Shipmate
    "Soda" here.
  • DiomedesDiomedes Shipmate
    When I was a child a delivery lorry would come to the house next to ours and deliver bottles of fizzy drink - the manufacturers of which were 'Corona'! I've a feeling that Corona were a South Wales firm but I'm not sure.
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    Tizer the appetiser where I was as a child - and I know there was another local name, but it's fled from memory.
  • "Soft drinks" is a collective term and rather formal. The restaurant serves cocktails, beer, wine, and soft drinks. Nobody would say, "I'm making a store run for soft drinks." Or at a big store, "Boy they sure have a lot of different kinds of soft drinks." In fact I'm not sure I've ever heard the term used where it wasn't referring to a restaurant or printed on its menu.
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    Also Fryco. Dad grew up in that area.
    Folkestone's local drink was Bing, and little local shops would have white letters with the name stuck to their windows. Did business from the late 19th century until the 2000s when it was taken over by private equity, who drove it
    I wasn't allowed any of this stuff!
  • mousethief wrote: »
    "Soft drinks" is a collective term and rather formal. The restaurant serves cocktails, beer, wine, and soft drinks. Nobody would say, "I'm making a store run for soft drinks." Or at a big store, "Boy they sure have a lot of different kinds of soft drinks." In fact I'm not sure I've ever heard the term used where it wasn't referring to a restaurant or printed on its menu.
    They would here (NC). That’s what they’ve traditionally been called here (aside, as I said, from Cokes). That is changing some—with people moving here from Away, one hears soda more often. But “I’m making a run to the store for soft drinks” or “do we have enough soft drinks?” would certainly be heard here.

  • Gee D wrote: »
    Wet Kipper wrote: »
    in Scotland, you will often hear of carbonated drinks being referred to as "Juice" even if it never came near a fruit in its life. In certain areas you will also hear it referred to as "Ginger"

    'Gie's a boatle a ginger, missis,'
    - 'What kinna ginger, son?'
    'Lemonade.'

    Donoghue v Stevenson involved a snail in what we are told was a bottle of ginger beer. I've always assumed that it was in fact ginger beer. From this it seems as if it might have been orangeade or some other soft drink (although I think that in 30's Scotland we can safely assume that it was not Passiona).

    Never heard of this case, but if it said “Ginger beer” it probably meant that (it is non-alcoholic when made commercially, not always so when manufactured domestically!). Ginger as a generic for soft drink is just that: ginger.
  • MMMMMM Shipmate
    Very famous case, Cathscats. The ‘good neighbour’ principle.

    I’m sure I heard a few years ago at some seminar or other that they still had the famous bottle and its snail and had tried to analyse it to check whether it was a snail or not, but couldn’t establish what it was. I can’t find anything online, so I could be dreaming it.

    MMM
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    "Soft drinks" is a collective term and rather formal. The restaurant serves cocktails, beer, wine, and soft drinks. Nobody would say, "I'm making a store run for soft drinks." Or at a big store, "Boy they sure have a lot of different kinds of soft drinks." In fact I'm not sure I've ever heard the term used where it wasn't referring to a restaurant or printed on its menu.
    They would here (NC). That’s what they’ve traditionally been called here (aside, as I said, from Cokes). That is changing some—with people moving here from Away, one hears soda more often. But “I’m making a run to the store for soft drinks” or “do we have enough soft drinks?” would certainly be heard here.

    So do milk and tea not count as soft drinks?
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    We use Ginger Beer in our Moscow Mules. 1-2 shots vodka, a can of Ginger Beer, some lime. You can substitute other forms of alcohol for the vodka and get another type of drink, but always the Ginger Beer.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    mousethief wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    "Soft drinks" is a collective term and rather formal. The restaurant serves cocktails, beer, wine, and soft drinks. Nobody would say, "I'm making a store run for soft drinks." Or at a big store, "Boy they sure have a lot of different kinds of soft drinks." In fact I'm not sure I've ever heard the term used where it wasn't referring to a restaurant or printed on its menu.
    They would here (NC). That’s what they’ve traditionally been called here (aside, as I said, from Cokes). That is changing some—with people moving here from Away, one hears soda more often. But “I’m making a run to the store for soft drinks” or “do we have enough soft drinks?” would certainly be heard here.

    So do milk and tea not count as soft drinks?

    Milk possibly. Tea is a hot drink - different category.
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