My father has traditionally objected to Jerusalem being sung in church on the basis that no hymn should have a first verse entirely comprised of a series of questions to which the answer is "no".
My father has traditionally objected to Jerusalem being sung in church on the basis that no hymn should have a first verse entirely comprised of a series of questions to which the answer is "no". The rational me supports the inherited objection, but the romantic in me loves the idea that Jesus spent the years prior to his ministry travelling and seeing with human eyes the world he had made. Of course I have my limits when it comes to these sorts of legends *side-eyes Joseph Smith*.
A previous rector at St Sanity would not allow it on the bases that parts of it were heretical and the others had no religious content whatsoever.
Be that as it may, I look forward to granting our first colonies their independence and adopting Jerusalem* as our national anthem in place of that monarchist drivel-dirge we have at the moment
*yes, I know, thank you Michael Flanders, but it is about England rather than a foreign city.
Be that as it may, I look forward to granting our first colonies their independence and adopting Jerusalem* as our national anthem in place of that monarchist drivel-dirge we have at the moment
*yes, I know, thank you Michael Flanders, but it is about England rather than a foreign city.
That assumes independence for Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales, doesn't it.
Various time travel, neutron flux or whatever else hypotheses, where the proposition is baseless ...
Well, not exactly. The corpse that is imaged on the Shroud does not show sign of decomposition which means that it must have been removed within 48 hours of its death.
But the corpse's bloods stains found on the Shroud have not been smeared or otherwise disturbed, and the underlying linens fibers are not torn as they would have been if the Shroud had been lifted off of its corpse.
The historical accounts relate that this corpse was somehow missing when its sealed tomb was opened.
When Lazarus was brought back to life, he shuffled out of his tomb and his Shroud had to be untied, but that is not the account we read about regarding Rabbi Yeshu.
The 14C labs were offered samples from the center of the Shroud near its image, but they wanted nothing to do with those, preferring a single sample from as far away from the image as possible. They had been warned by Prof. Phillips of Harvard's High Energy Physics Lab that the vanishing of the corpse might have had the side effect of a neutron flux, and that event would have increased the Shroud's 14C content, especially near the image.
The 14C evidence from that corner of the Shroud fails to pass the standard mathematical tests that are used to certify 14C data as being valid for dating purposes, but the British Museum ignored that fact. Rucker's analysis of the 14C data shows that its distribution is consistent with the hypothesis that the vanishing of the a corpse into another dimension had the side effect of neutron radiation.*
Somebody evidently taught Jesus to cook, if the breakfast by the sea is any indication.
Hey, it was a BARBIE! That's man's work. I thought Uncle Joe Biden too. And Stalin.
They had plastic dolls with impossible figures even then? Almost as impressive as time-travelling alien fabric.
You're being far too whimsical if not downright silly for someone with his finger on the nuclear button Alan. Far too whimsical. I'd rather trust Trump.
Various time travel, neutron flux or whatever else hypotheses, where the proposition is baseless ...
Well, not exactly. The corpse that is imaged on the Shroud does not show sign of decomposition which means that it must have been removed within 48 hours of its death.
But the corpse's bloods stains found on the Shroud have not been smeared or otherwise disturbed, and the underlying linens fibers are not torn as they would have been if the Shroud had been lifted off of its corpse.
The historical accounts relate that this corpse was somehow missing when its sealed tomb was opened.
When Lazarus was brought back to life, he shuffled out of his tomb and his Shroud had to be untied, but that is not the account we read about regarding Rabbi Yeshu.
The 14C labs were offered samples from the center of the Shroud near its image, but they wanted nothing to do with those, preferring a single sample from as far away from the image as possible. They had been warned by Prof. Phillips of Harvard's High Energy Physics Lab that the vanishing of the corpse might have had the side effect of a neutron flux, and that event would have increased the Shroud's 14C content, especially near the image.
The 14C evidence from that corner of the Shroud fails to pass the standard mathematical tests that are used to certify 14C data as being valid for dating purposes, but the British Museum ignored that fact. Rucker's analysis of the 14C data shows that its distribution is consistent with the hypothesis that the vanishing of the a corpse into another dimension had the side effect of neutron radiation.*
The proposition is not baseless.
*shroudresearch.net
How much decomposition can the imprint of an exsanguinated corpse show?
These are probably unanswerable questions, unless more data is to be had.
Incidentally, @undead_rat mentions the vanishing of...a corpse into another dimension.
Has this been mentioned on this thread before? I may have missed it, but it's an intriguing thought. Which dimension? Fourth? Fifth? How many are there, in any case?
Flanders and Swann indeed - the notorious *Song of Patriotic Prejudice*.
There are several versions, but this classic from their US performance in 1967 includes the reminder *If it hadn't been for the English, you'd all be Spanish*: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1vh-wEXvdW8&t=123s
I wonder if Joseph of Arimathea had another tomb made for himself, or used the one he gave to Jesus--or wasn't in the area at all. IIRC, lore has it that he made it to Britain and France.
That lore has him taking the young Jesus with him. No reason why he could not have made a similar journey afterwards.
I wonder if Joseph of Arimathea had another tomb made for himself, or used the one he gave to Jesus--or wasn't in the area at all. IIRC, lore has it that he made it to Britain and France.
That lore has him taking the young Jesus with him.
Ok, thx. Not sure if I'd heard of that particular lore.
Isn’t the lore that Joseph of Arimathea took the young Jesus to Britain with him the lore to which Blake referred?
And did those feet in ancient time,
Walk upon Englands mountains green . . . .
The tor is not a mountain but it's certainly green.
Flanders and Swann indeed - the notorious *Song of Patriotic Prejudice*.
There are several versions, but this classic from their US performance in 1967 includes the reminder *If it hadn't been for the English, you'd all be Spanish*: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1vh-wEXvdW8&t=123s
And 'first colonies' - both Ireland and Wales lay claim to being 'England's first colony'. Given that the English invasion of Ireland in 1170 was launched from west Wales, I'm afraid that the Cymry win the title. The Scots would never accept such a label, I imagine.
Although perhaps the appearance of the Shroud is connected to the fall of the House of Gwynedd in the 1280s?
Somebody evidently taught Jesus to cook, if the breakfast by the sea is any indication.
Hey, it was a BARBIE! That's man's work. I thought Uncle Joe Biden too. And Stalin.
They had plastic dolls with impossible figures even then? Almost as impressive as time-travelling alien fabric.
You're being far too whimsical if not downright silly for someone with his finger on the nuclear button Alan. Far too whimsical. I'd rather trust Trump.
Mwah hah hah hah ....
[it's been a few years since I've displayed my mad scientist persona]
Flanders and Swann indeed - the notorious *Song of Patriotic Prejudice*.
There are several versions, but this classic from their US performance in 1967 includes the reminder *If it hadn't been for the English, you'd all be Spanish*: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1vh-wEXvdW8&t=123s
And 'first colonies' - both Ireland and Wales lay claim to being 'England's first colony'. Given that the English invasion of Ireland in 1170 was launched from west Wales, I'm afraid that the Cymry win the title. The Scots would never accept such a label, I imagine.
Although perhaps the appearance of the Shroud is connected to the fall of the House of Gwynedd in the 1280s?
These are probably unanswerable questions, unless more data is to be had.
Incidentally, @undead_rat mentions the vanishing of...a corpse into another dimension.
Has this been mentioned on this thread before? I may have missed it, but it's an intriguing thought. Which dimension? Fourth? Fifth? How many are there, in any case?
These are probably unanswerable questions, unless more data is to be had.
Incidentally, @undead_rat mentions the vanishing of...a corpse into another dimension.
Has this been mentioned on this thread before? I may have missed it, but it's an intriguing thought. Which dimension? Fourth? Fifth? How many are there, in any case?
Flanders and Swann indeed - the notorious *Song of Patriotic Prejudice*.
There are several versions, but this classic from their US performance in 1967 includes the reminder *If it hadn't been for the English, you'd all be Spanish*: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1vh-wEXvdW8&t=123s
And 'first colonies' - both Ireland and Wales lay claim to being 'England's first colony'. Given that the English invasion of Ireland in 1170 was launched from west Wales, I'm afraid that the Cymry win the title. The Scots would never accept such a label, I imagine.
Although perhaps the appearance of the Shroud is connected to the fall of the House of Gwynedd in the 1280s?
I'd never before heard of Scotland, Ireland or Wales being referred to as "first colonies". I can sort of understand it in relation to Ireland and Wales, but can't as far as Scotland is involved.
Let's assume that the Shroud is genuine, and that it is the very Shroud of Jesus Himself.
So what?
Beats me. Apparently Jesus requires more specialness than is already attributed to him.
Either that, or apparently idolatry is okay now. The Bible Project podcast recently pointed out to me that the golden calf wasn't an alternative to Yahweh, it was actually supposed to be Yahweh, and Yahweh reportedly wasn't too keen about that. But nowadays going to northern Italy and saying "Wow! A miraculous image of Jesus!" would be the kind of thing Jesus intended for us to do.
Which dimension corresponds to Heaven, I wonder? Or Hell, come to that, if (as we are told) that's where Jesus went whilst he was sort of dead.
Despite what Marvel comics would have us believe, dimensions are directions rather than places. There could conceivably be a dimension along which Heaven is in one direction and Hell in the other.
Flanders and Swann indeed - the notorious *Song of Patriotic Prejudice*.
There are several versions, but this classic from their US performance in 1967 includes the reminder *If it hadn't been for the English, you'd all be Spanish*: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1vh-wEXvdW8&t=123s
And 'first colonies' - both Ireland and Wales lay claim to being 'England's first colony'. Given that the English invasion of Ireland in 1170 was launched from west Wales, I'm afraid that the Cymry win the title. The Scots would never accept such a label, I imagine.
Although perhaps the appearance of the Shroud is connected to the fall of the House of Gwynedd in the 1280s?
I'd never before heard of Scotland, Ireland or Wales being referred to as "first colonies". I can sort of understand it in relation to Ireland and Wales, but can't as far as Scotland is involved.
The attempts to "civilise" the highlands and islands may not be exact matches for the treatment of indigenous folk in North America but they certainly rhyme (the irony of course being that the victims in Scotland were often the perpetrators elsewhere). The township where I currently live grew up largely as a result of cottars being forced off the land to make way for sheep and taking up fishing out of desperation. This is evident in how tightly packed the houses are and how close to the shore.
Which dimension corresponds to Heaven, I wonder? Or Hell, come to that, if (as we are told) that's where Jesus went whilst he was sort of dead.
Despite what Marvel comics would have us believe, dimensions are directions rather than places. There could conceivably be a dimension along which Heaven is in one direction and Hell in the other.
Yes; the use of "dimension" to mean "parallel reality" has always irked me a bit.
The attempts to "civilise" the highlands and islands may not be exact matches for the treatment of indigenous folk in North America but they certainly rhyme (the irony of course being that the victims in Scotland were often the perpetrators elsewhere). The township where I currently live grew up largely as a result of cottars being forced off the land to make way for sheep and taking up fishing out of desperation. This is evident in how tightly packed the houses are and how close to the shore.
But calling them colonies? I've never seen it before, have you?
The attempts to "civilise" the highlands and islands may not be exact matches for the treatment of indigenous folk in North America but they certainly rhyme (the irony of course being that the victims in Scotland were often the perpetrators elsewhere). The township where I currently live grew up largely as a result of cottars being forced off the land to make way for sheep and taking up fishing out of desperation. This is evident in how tightly packed the houses are and how close to the shore.
But calling them colonies? I've never seen it before, have you?
The attempts to "civilise" the highlands and islands may not be exact matches for the treatment of indigenous folk in North America but they certainly rhyme (the irony of course being that the victims in Scotland were often the perpetrators elsewhere). The township where I currently live grew up largely as a result of cottars being forced off the land to make way for sheep and taking up fishing out of desperation. This is evident in how tightly packed the houses are and how close to the shore.
But calling them colonies? I've never seen it before, have you?
Here's a serious question for @undead_rat to consider.
Let us assume for argument's sake that the Shroud is genuine, and that it has been proved beyond doubt that it was used to wrap the body of Jesus himself, and that it is indeed his image which can be seen upon it.
What do you think ought to be done with that information? Or, to put it another way, now what?
One or two other Shipmates have thought about this, but what do YOU, yourself, think?
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Genius.
A previous rector at St Sanity would not allow it on the bases that parts of it were heretical and the others had no religious content whatsoever.
*yes, I know, thank you Michael Flanders, but it is about England rather than a foreign city.
That assumes independence for Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales, doesn't it.
"yes, I know, thank you Michael Flanders, but it is about England rather than a foreign city."
Not much reference in that to the other constituents of the UK.
Which is the reason for the reference to "first colonies"
Hey, it was a BARBIE! That's man's work. I thought Uncle Joe Biden too. And Stalin.
Quite.
One wonders what sort of beverage Jesus provided them with. WINE, perhaps?
The clay versions would not have been bendable, but wooden ones could be made (by a skilled carpenter) with movable joints..
Well, not exactly. The corpse that is imaged on the Shroud does not show sign of decomposition which means that it must have been removed within 48 hours of its death.
But the corpse's bloods stains found on the Shroud have not been smeared or otherwise disturbed, and the underlying linens fibers are not torn as they would have been if the Shroud had been lifted off of its corpse.
The historical accounts relate that this corpse was somehow missing when its sealed tomb was opened.
When Lazarus was brought back to life, he shuffled out of his tomb and his Shroud had to be untied, but that is not the account we read about regarding Rabbi Yeshu.
The 14C labs were offered samples from the center of the Shroud near its image, but they wanted nothing to do with those, preferring a single sample from as far away from the image as possible. They had been warned by Prof. Phillips of Harvard's High Energy Physics Lab that the vanishing of the corpse might have had the side effect of a neutron flux, and that event would have increased the Shroud's 14C content, especially near the image.
The 14C evidence from that corner of the Shroud fails to pass the standard mathematical tests that are used to certify 14C data as being valid for dating purposes, but the British Museum ignored that fact. Rucker's analysis of the 14C data shows that its distribution is consistent with the hypothesis that the vanishing of the a corpse into another dimension had the side effect of neutron radiation.*
The proposition is not baseless.
*shroudresearch.net
So what?
You're being far too whimsical if not downright silly for someone with his finger on the nuclear button Alan. Far too whimsical. I'd rather trust Trump.
Goodness me - is Alan the AntiChrist?
I think we should be told.
How much decomposition can the imprint of an exsanguinated corpse show?
These are probably unanswerable questions, unless more data is to be had.
Incidentally, @undead_rat mentions the vanishing of...a corpse into another dimension.
Has this been mentioned on this thread before? I may have missed it, but it's an intriguing thought. Which dimension? Fourth? Fifth? How many are there, in any case?
Which dimension corresponds to Heaven, I wonder? Or Hell, come to that, if (as we are told) that's where Jesus went whilst he was sort of dead.
--Totally confused, across the Pond, about the "our first colonies" stuff. And who are the "we" who have them?
--Flanders as in Flanders & Swan?
Thx.
There are several versions, but this classic from their US performance in 1967 includes the reminder *If it hadn't been for the English, you'd all be Spanish*:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1vh-wEXvdW8&t=123s
The tor is not a mountain but it's certainly green.
And 'first colonies' - both Ireland and Wales lay claim to being 'England's first colony'. Given that the English invasion of Ireland in 1170 was launched from west Wales, I'm afraid that the Cymry win the title. The Scots would never accept such a label, I imagine.
Although perhaps the appearance of the Shroud is connected to the fall of the House of Gwynedd in the 1280s?
[it's been a few years since I've displayed my mad scientist persona]
It's an interesting scientific puzzle.
They were very cool indeed.
I'd never before heard of Scotland, Ireland or Wales being referred to as "first colonies". I can sort of understand it in relation to Ireland and Wales, but can't as far as Scotland is involved.
Beats me. Apparently Jesus requires more specialness than is already attributed to him.
Either that, or apparently idolatry is okay now. The Bible Project podcast recently pointed out to me that the golden calf wasn't an alternative to Yahweh, it was actually supposed to be Yahweh, and Yahweh reportedly wasn't too keen about that. But nowadays going to northern Italy and saying "Wow! A miraculous image of Jesus!" would be the kind of thing Jesus intended for us to do.
Were there wine stains on the shroud?
The attempts to "civilise" the highlands and islands may not be exact matches for the treatment of indigenous folk in North America but they certainly rhyme (the irony of course being that the victims in Scotland were often the perpetrators elsewhere). The township where I currently live grew up largely as a result of cottars being forced off the land to make way for sheep and taking up fishing out of desperation. This is evident in how tightly packed the houses are and how close to the shore.
Yes; the use of "dimension" to mean "parallel reality" has always irked me a bit.
Try 12½ - as in 'Blue Sky Blues', a 12½-bar toon.
But calling them colonies? I've never seen it before, have you?
Fixed broken quoting code. BroJames, Purgatory Host
You don't hang around with Welsh and Scots Nats.
About time.
None who admit to it at any rate.
Here's a serious question for @undead_rat to consider.
Let us assume for argument's sake that the Shroud is genuine, and that it has been proved beyond doubt that it was used to wrap the body of Jesus himself, and that it is indeed his image which can be seen upon it.
What do you think ought to be done with that information? Or, to put it another way, now what?
One or two other Shipmates have thought about this, but what do YOU, yourself, think?