Today I Consign To Hell -the All Saints version

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  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Dafyd wrote: »
    Firenze wrote: »
    so few of my neighbours are out in their gardens on this and previous hot sunny days.
    I am firmly convinced God made the outdoors for walking and other physical activity.

    I can't physically carry the amount of water I'd need to drink to do a walk on a day like this. And I'm the sort who can do a regular normal day on a half litre bottle.
  • Having been evacuated three times for forest fires, once with flames on the side of the road, any smell of smoke during the summer fire season is most unwelcomed. That is with or without the smell of roasting meat.
  • No BBQs here, but some of my neighbours are kindly sharing loud headbanging Musick with everyone...whether we like it or not...
    :grimace:
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    I have just seen a trailer for something on Iplayer which claims to be "The Watch" and seems to be plagiarising the great Pratchett though none of characters looked right.
    This should not have been allowed.
  • AnnAnn Shipmate Posts: 45
    Penny S wrote: »
    I have just seen a trailer for something on Iplayer which claims to be "The Watch" and seems to be plagiarising the great Pratchett though none of characters looked right.
    This should not have been allowed.

    Some insights.
  • Interesting. It's hard to adapt Stuff like Discworld to the screen, as devotees will have their own individual ideas as to how characters should appear.

    I thought Going Postal was good, with The Colour of Magic saved from mediocrity by the performance of David Jason as Rincewind.
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    edited July 2021
    I knew there had been problems. Ann's link reveals the scale of them.
    I have just watched the film "Yesterday" and am reminded of the American manager running after Jack when he has uploaded the entire Beatles playlist to the internet for free access, shouting "In the Name of Money!"
    It looks as though they had a problem with non-standard females.
    1. A dwarf called Cheery Littlebottom, with beard, a forensic scientist, who comes out as female and starts wearing lipstick and welded heels, and influences many more female dwarfs back in the mountains. Now a non-binary tall person, taller than Carrot. (The actor is also non-binary, so I suspect they cast them first.)
    2. Lady Sybil Ramkin/Vimes, a rotund personage of at least middle age and authority, with a large collection of swamp dragons. Now a skinny black version of Harley Quinn with one teeny dragon. (Vimes now appears to be unmarriageable.)
    3. This is not counteracted by having a female "Lord" Vetinari. Who does not have the physique for a member of the Assassins.

    Pratchett is not noticeably non-diverse, so why steer his existing diversity into other directions, cutting out interesting females. And persons of small stature.
    I don't blame Rhianna Pratchett from cutting all ties.
    Not going to watch it.
  • Wot? No silicon-based life form to play Sergeant Detritus, the troll who has his uniform painted onto him?

    *Dis am not police brutality! DIS AM POLICE SHOUTING!*

    One of the best things about The Watch, in the books, is its amazing and ever-increasing diversity. Pratchett must have had a lot of fun working out who to add next...
  • Wesley JWesley J Circus Host
    But thank you for describing it in utmost detail, so that we can see, even if we don't watch. :)
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    There is an image of Detritus in the publicity material, twice as tall as Carrot, who appears to have a gun not a sword, and is not obviously carroty. If there is anyone in Detritus and he is not CGI, I would be surprised. Dave Prowse would be too small, if he were still about. As a person who has studied geology, I consider the image of Detritus to lack any convincing relationship to any sort of rock. Looks more like the contents of a landfill site. Which might be said to fit the name, but he's got to hold together.
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    One thing I found with reading was the interesting cross over with Lindsey Davis' Roman books. I would sometimes get confused about whether I was dealing with the Watch or the Vigiles. I don't think this would happen with this series.
  • I'm afraid I agree with @Wesley J - I'm completely put off by the descriptions of what appears to be a complete travesty of Sir Terry's work.

    I hope it meets with the acclaim and success it deserves...
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    Quite. There is probably a reason for it only being on Iplayer. However, I think someone thought the people who watched "Yesterday" would be its target market, as that's when they put the announcement of it being there on, after the credits. Or I wouldn't have known,
    If I were as clever as Sir Terry, I would probably be able to produce a nice quote referencing both a Beatles' song and something from Discworld, but I'm not.
  • Oddly, I can just about imagine a female Vetinari.

    IIRC, The Patrician is a tall, dark, slim, saturnine person of indeterminate age, so could be portrayed by any actor of similar appearance.

    Don't let me detain you...

    (O for the orderliness of a Vetinari government, BTW)
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    Servalan.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    It's hard to adapt Stuff like Discworld to the screen, as devotees will have their own individual ideas as to how characters should appear.
    I think also comic rhythm on the page isn't the same as comic rhythm spoken. The Discworld adaptations I've seen have copied chunks of Pratchett's dialogue over to the script unaltered and the lines have fallen flat.
  • O DEAR.

    EEK...

    :wink:
  • Er ... I'm tempted TCTH people who prattle on about discuss Discworld.

    But I know that I'd lay myself open to similar criticism from Ferroequinophobes.
  • Penny S wrote: »
    I have just seen a trailer for something on Iplayer which claims to be "The Watch" and seems to be plagiarising the great Pratchett though none of characters looked right.
    This should not have been allowed.

    Actually, it’s worth a go - we watched it (all of it) the other weekend.

    There’s certainly a lot of detail where their idea of what things look like aren’t the same as mine - but who’s to say that they’re wrong and I’m right?

    And the world that it’s set in is recognisably 21st century - but so tbh is Pratchett’s Ankh-Morpork. The books set in the city got rapidly more modern as the series carried on.

    The core story is essentially new, being cobbled together out of various Pratchett plots, and could be stronger - but writing new stories for a tv show is hardly new - see (for example) all but the first two series of ‘Call the Midwife’.

    Most reviews of it that I have seen have given it 3/5, which I would say is fair: it’s not the best thing that you’ll see on television this year, but neither is it the worst. So given that much of the world has responded like this thread I’m saddened that I won’t see how the final cliffhanger is resolved as a second series seems unlikely.

  • Er ... I'm tempted TCTH people who prattle on about discuss Discworld.

    But I know that I'd lay myself open to similar criticism from Ferroequinophobes.

    Surely not... :wink:

    As one who is both a Ferroequinophobe and a fan of Discworld, I am at least able to bore people on two fronts at the same time...
  • You are not a Ferroequinophobe but a Ferroequinologist!
  • It must be time for another steam thread to bring solace to the shipborne ferroequinophiles and perhaps to evangelise the ferroequinophobes.
  • You are not a Ferroequinophobe but a Ferroequinologist!

    🙄

    I had a feeling I'd got it mixed up - yes, of course, you're quite right.
    *sigh*

    I blame the Heat.
    🥵
  • PriscillaPriscilla Shipmate
    going back to TICTH, can I send temperatures above about 24 C back where they belong?
    High temperatures and MS don’t live happily together - I wilt and find it almost impossible to weight bear or, indeed, to do anything sensible ☹️
  • Happily sending temperatures of that height back, right alongside you
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I'll happily join in that chorus; it's currently 18° but with 65% humidity, even with all the windows open, I'm bloody hot. And it's not going to go below 13° overnight, which is also too hot.
  • Still 23C here, with 68% humidity - Ot and Stikky...
    :grimace:
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    My curtain rail. It's been gremlined again. Only this time, with a new trick. The attachments fixed into the plasterboard have remained fixed. But the flanges that hold the rail have let it go. And not just from those fittings. two have separated, leaving part on the rail - they always looked as if they would, but I couldn't get them to do it when I wanted to. It is only fixed in one place.
    This resolves the putting it back process - back to the initial setting up, threading the rail onto the flanges all the way along. but it means extensive furniture moving, again, and the use of a small step ladder and ages, when I have other things I must do tomorrow.
    I might be able to jury rig a muslin curtain to help with the temperature tomorrow pm when I am out.
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    I'm blaming the heat for differential expansion of the plastic.
  • TICTH the insensitive ba*tards at my friend J's church where the locum cleric reduced her to tears before the service and she was so upset that after 50 years as a very professional church musicianshe walked out before the service. I've spent best the whole day travelling down to see her, mopping up tears and trying to persuade her not to give in her notice.
  • SojournerSojourner Shipmate
    What was that all about?
  • CathscatsCathscats Shipmate
    That is horrendous, whatever it was about.
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    Did he react at all to his effect? (I assume male?)
  • Penny S wrote: »
    Did he react at all to his effect? (I assume male?)

    Well, yes - good question. The priest must have surely noticed that the service was suddenly devoid of music!

    Whatever the circumstances, there seems to be some fence-mending required.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Some clergy just don't deserve good organists.
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    I can't physically carry the amount of water I'd need to drink to do a walk on a day like this. And I'm the sort who can do a regular normal day on a half litre bottle.

    Out of curiosity, I totted up how much I drank yesterday whilst stupidly playing cricket under a blinding sun. Two litres of lime cordial, half a litre of tea, a pint of shandy (spot the driver), a pint of lemonade, plus at least a can of larger given by hospitality for dropping off a crocked friend (his car, and I got picked up afterwards) - so at least 3.5 litres of fluids, and it didn't pass through the kidneys until after 11pm at night. That's...scary!

  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    The locum sounds like a bully. I hope their presence is short-lived.
  • Not a bully, just one of those clerics who seems to encounter 'difficulty' in every parish...

    My friend is thinking ling and hard about the situation. She feels very committed to the choir, responsibility towards wedding couples, etc. But for the rest of it, who knows?
  • Piglet wrote: »
    Some clergy just don't deserve good organists.

    Amen.
  • Not a bully, just one of those clerics who seems to encounter 'difficulty' in every parish...

    My friend is thinking ling and hard about the situation. She feels very committed to the choir, responsibility towards wedding couples, etc. But for the rest of it, who knows?

    Your friend might do well to wait a while. Is the locum cleric likely to be around for long? If s/he is, the Wardens and PCC could perhaps Have A Quiet Word...
  • Ethne AlbaEthne Alba Shipmate
    edited July 2021
    Happily consigning people with Pinocchio Noses who say “ well I never knew about That” or “ no one told Me”
    Grrrrr

    Liar Liar. Pants on Fire.
  • Who could you possibly have in mind, I wonder?
    :innocent:
  • Ethne AlbaEthne Alba Shipmate
    edited July 2021
    Oh the net is cast very wide indeed for sure

    But in This case?
    The last social care professional I had spoke to before coming here

  • Wesley JWesley J Circus Host
    How care-less of them! Rude! :(
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited July 2021
    Ethne Alba wrote: »
    Oh the net is cast very wide indeed for sure

    But in This case?
    The last social care professional I had spoke to before coming here

    I had in my mind a certain Guardian cartoonist, who habitually portrays Boris Johnson with such a nose...can't think why...
    Wesley J wrote: »
    How care-less of them! Rude! :(

    The said Johnson is, alas, both careless and rude...
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    TICTH the young, maskless woman in front of me on the bus who completely failed to pacify her yelling toddler; indeed she occasionally added to the decibel count by shouting at the poor little bugger ... :angry:
  • But...but...it's all over...anyone can do what they like!

    O wait - not in Sensible Scotland, perhaps...
  • SnowgooseSnowgoose Shipmate Posts: 23
    TICTH hiccups.
  • Hiccups are seconded by me
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    There are occasional times when the Bible gets it right - 1Timothy 6:10 would be one such.

    Our next door neighbours owe us for works on a shared access. Having finally, after months, conceded that everything they insisted on has been done, it's now hypothetical future repairs. Followed by insinuations - no, outright accusations - that we have loaded the account with hours spent on other work. All this despite saying repeatedly they are free to pay the amount they consider fair.

    I do think they simply cannot comprehend an attitude to money different to their own miserable, shortsighted avarice.
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