Today I Consign To Hell -the All Saints version

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  • @Piglet No. It was just builder's rubbish and the remains of what looked like a 1970s kitchen.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Ah - not much use then! Best to let the Council sort it out.
  • As to cannibalising the malefactors, I doubt if they'd taste very nice...
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    The people who design fridges are consigned to the deepest depths where there is weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. Yes Mr F and Mr P - this means you!

    OK, on my part cleaning the fridge when the temperature is verging on 30C wasn't my brightest move ever, but I have guests coming ( at least I hope I do as they're flying in to Auckland Airport sometime soon and the City is currently in a state of emergency due to very heavy rainfall so the airport may be closed).

    In the past the small shelves were moulded into the door, now they are (supposedly) fitted to slip into small niches which only work if with a combination of engineering skills and a level of cunning and spatial awareness I don't have. I suspect my sister-in-law may. Is it manners to ask guests to wrangle with fridges? What would Emily Post or more modern arbiters of social behaviour say?

  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    “Your call is important to us. Please continue to hold”

    Yes, it’s important to me too which is why I’m calling, so please answer the bloody phone.
  • Internet hackers 😡😡😡
  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    TICTH that bloody We Buy Any Car advert
  • Spike wrote: »
    TICTH that bloody We Buy Any Car advert

    Oh I SO agree!!
  • ICTH all so-called Heritage Conservation Officers.

    Having finally rolled up today (late) to look at proposed materials for our rebuild next door he looked at our neatly stacked bricks and opined "Oh no, no: these won't do at all.". These are the bricks from the original structure!
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Seriously?!?!?
  • Sounds like the young ecologist employed by council while I was still a councillor, who could not conceive that the woodland she was wanting to preserve as a natural habitat was in fact regrowth from its previous use for supplying pitprops to the local coal mines.
  • Some years ago an old house on Iona was being restored and needed National Trust approval for the work. Their conservation person instructed the restorers that they must use original Ballachulish slate for the roof. It had to be explained to him that the Ballachulish slate quarry had been closed for about 60 years. (Disclaimer: this story was second hand at least - accuracy not guaranteed).
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Not least that it probably won’t have been the National Trust - not even thNationsl Trust for Scotland. Most probably it will have been Historic Scotland,
  • BroJames wrote: »
    Not least that it probably won’t have been the National Trust - not even thNationsl Trust for Scotland. Most probably it will have been Historic Scotland,

    I think the anecdote related to the time before Historic Scotland when the NTS still told everyone what they could and couldn't do. It seems to be pretty much laissez faire now.
  • No, then it would have been the department of works. National Trust is not a body with that kind of power, despite it having National in the title. All it can do is look after the property and land given to it by owners wanting rid of it! It’s been Historic Scotland for quite a while now officially known as Historic Environment Scotland (my employers, and I must go off to work!)
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    @TheOrganist - have you any right to appeal against their pronouncements? It seems ridiculous that you shouldn't be able to reuse the bricks - have these people never heard of "conservation"?
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Some years ago an old house on Iona was being restored and needed National Trust approval for the work. Their conservation person instructed the restorers that they must use original Ballachulish slate for the roof. It had to be explained to him that the Ballachulish slate quarry had been closed for about 60 years. (Disclaimer: this story was second hand at least - accuracy not guaranteed).

    To be fair using reclaimed Ballachulish slate is incredibly common.
  • Piglet wrote: »
    @TheOrganist - have you any right to appeal against their pronouncements? It seems ridiculous that you shouldn't be able to reuse the bricks - have these people never heard of "conservation"?

    Oh, once we pointed out they were the original bricks they backpedalled like a nervous cyclist on a hill. The fact that our architect was there, plus the head of the Planning Department and a man from building control added spice to the situation.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Excellent!
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    Glad that misunderstanding was sorted out @TheOrganist. I hope the plans were approved and you can get on with the re-building.
  • Back in the late 60s the Ffestiniog Railway was building a bridge under which its trains had to pass. Not unreasonably they made its span equal to that of the rock cuttings on either side of it. Some Govt department said no, that is far too restrictive, it has to be wide enough for people to open the train doors. To have changed the design, which had previously been passed and the bridge half-built, would have cost £££s. It took the railway a long time to convince the Govt people of the sheer ridiculousness of their position! https://tinyurl.com/3a9yspnx
  • Wesley JWesley J Circus Host
    Do I feel a new railway thread a-coming? :)
  • You do not. Not here, anyway ...
  • Failure, either human or systemic, to process a prescription.
    My husband was discharged from hospital on Wednesday 1 February. By Friday 3 Feb, the health centre said they had still not received his discharge papers, so my granddaughter took a copy in.
    Monday 6, still not received, and the copy had not been scanned onto the system, so the prescription had not been sent on to the pharmacy.
    He will run out of two vital meds by the weekend.
    Tuesday 7th. No further forward today.
    I rang the pharmacy and the wonderful staff there will chase it up. They also enquired about the new meds and checked that they do have them in stock. They just need the prescription to do so.
  • Wesley J wrote: »
    Do I feel a new railway thread a-coming? :)

    Yes, please... But it should be in Heaven, of course.
  • Where else? (But wouldn't the trains be too heavy to stay up there?)
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    I hope you get the meds sorted @puzzler. Is it worth contacting the hospital and see if they can put a rocket up someone's bum to get this sorted?
  • NenyaNenya All Saints Host, Ecclesiantics & MW Host
    Where else? (But wouldn't the trains be too heavy to stay up there?)
    Wasn't the Lord high and lifted up when his train filled the temple?
  • Nenya wrote: »
    Where else? (But wouldn't the trains be too heavy to stay up there?)
    Wasn't the Lord high and lifted up when his train filled the temple?
    When I was at university, we were studying this passage, and the lecturer, not renowned for his sense of humour, said” Now I don’t want any of you evangelicals thinking this is the Gospel train”.

    Sarasa, I have been putting a rocket up the backside of the health centre staff every day and tonight, Mr P was able to see on his records that not only is his prescription now listed, but his diabetic specialist has amended it to include a few other necessary items. So I hope they will all be ready to collect before the weekend.
  • TICTH BT as we had no Internet from 9.10am - 1.30pm when I was supposed to be in an online training session.
  • I resolved the problem of BT's frequent outages by purchasing a Vodafone *dongle*, which I now use far more than BT - it's quicker, and generally more reliable - but, of course, I do have to pay for it...

    Might your church invest in some sort of alternative internet access, for church porpoises only?
  • Perhaps, though this is at home (we don't even have a phone line at church though I did once have a Dongle).
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    edited February 2023
    TICTH people who come to appointments and then casually mention they are going to take a Covid test when they get home cos they’re feeling ill, but don’t worry they’re sure they haven’t got Covid …
  • @Doublethink , Oh my goodness. Are they planning on letting you know the results? How thoughtless.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    I doubt it !
  • Last week I got a noice that the street in front of my house and driveway would be blocked to dig up the street and lay new gas lines. My neighbor moved her car to a side street, and I arranged to meet my son for an appointment across the way. They worked for a short time but only made a tiny hole not near my driveway. Easy I am thinking. This morning at 7 AM without any notice they blocked off the entire front of my house with yellow tape and started digging a very large long ditch. Driving the dog crazy and shaking our house. They were at it all day and filled in the hole and left. I went to the mail box that I could not get to and a notice said my driveway would be blocked on Feb 15? Are they going to drill up the ditch they just patched? I am fine with needing to lay new lines, but I sure would like to be able to plan for the disruption.
  • Yep they re-dug up the street and started again at seven AM. The dog is once again hiding under the bed. They told me they would be finished today if all goes well. Let us hope all goes well.
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Purgatory Host, Circus Host
    Not sure I want to C a five year old to H, but I am Bloody Annoyed.

    Spoiled Brat pushed two other children over in the playground. He then went on to tell the teacher that Captain Pyjamas (a generally affable and mild-mannered individual) pushed them.

    I'm fairly sure this version of events is true because it comes from one of the children who got pushed over.
  • Sounds like typical Spoiled Brat behaviour. The pity is that Spoiled Brat may one day be President...
    :grimace:
  • JapesJapes Shipmate
    I have been dealing with the consequences of Spoiled Brats' behaviour (older, but all with interesting variations of additional needs) all week and I am more than happy to CTH those who have been allowing them to Get Away With such behaviour for the last 18/20 years or so then all concerned expect me to come out to sort it in the dying seconds of the half-term. (My parking duty colleagues didn't expect me to, thankfully, as the conclusion was I'd been peacekeeping/firefighting all week and needed a break.)

    The only minuscule bit of credit my Spoiled Brats get is that they that own up to their Spoiled Brattish behaviour when challenged by me or my name is bought into the conversation.

    But, I do wish they'd tell the truth at the correct time to the parental/carer bods in their lives rather than causing dramas after I've handed them over...
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Purgatory Host, Circus Host
    It doesn't help that Spoiled Brat has the face of an angel. As the French say, you'd give him the good Lord without confession.

    Nonetheless, after school at the park, I have observed him getting into numerous fights, hitting another child over the head with a stick, throwing sand all over Captain P, refusing to share toys and more.

    I blame the parents. :rage:
  • ICTH the idea that leaving a note in the vestry This Sunday could we change... constitutes consultation or discussion. You had the proposed music schedule for the term before Christmas and the confirmed list for February and March on 15th January. Now your note tells me you've promised the visiting preacher for this Sunday a worship song we don't have, and definitely don't know 👹🤯😡
  • ICTH the idea that leaving a note in the vestry This Sunday could we change... constitutes consultation or discussion. You had the proposed music schedule for the term before Christmas and the confirmed list for February and March on 15th January. Now your note tells me you've promised the visiting preacher for this Sunday a worship song we don't have, and definitely don't know 👹🤯😡
    I trust you left a note that says No, we could not.

  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    "Worship song"? CTH already ... :innocent:
  • @Piglet Aye, definitely going hellwards. Of course, seeing that the ditty in question is a direct rip-off of something else I could busk it but that would still leave the problem of nobody singing 😂
  • @Piglet Aye, definitely going hellwards. Of course, seeing that the ditty in question is a direct rip-off of something else I could busk it but that would still leave the problem of nobody singing 😂

    Welcome to the life of organists in small churches with no choir every Sunday...
  • You had the proposed music schedule for the term before Christmas and the confirmed list for February and March on 15th January.
    I know this is a common practice but it feels so alien to me. For me the whole service - music, Scripture readings, sermon, prayers etc - is all of a piece, often with the hymns picking up or reflecting upon the sermon's theme. Although I do usually follow the Lectionary I cannot possibly know how the sermon will develop weeks in advance; if nothing else, it well be influenced to some degree by current events.

  • Of course, there's nothing intrinsically wrong in proposing a change, to take into account current events (or the visiting preacher), but it's only common courtesy to discuss it with the musician(s) first...

    Anyway, if @TheOrganist doesn't have the resources, and the Faithful don't know the song, it makes good sense to forget about it, and either go with what was already planned, or substitute a hymn or song which organist and people do know.
  • You had the proposed music schedule for the term before Christmas and the confirmed list for February and March on 15th January.
    I know this is a common practice but it feels so alien to me. For me the whole service - music, Scripture readings, sermon, prayers etc - is all of a piece, often with the hymns picking up or reflecting upon the sermon's theme. Although I do usually follow the Lectionary I cannot possibly know how the sermon will develop weeks in advance; if nothing else, it well be influenced to some degree by current events.
    When you employ a professional organist and have a choir it is customary for them to choose music - they know what the choir can do and they need lead-time to rehearse anything other than hymns.

    The readings are all in the lectionary so the hymns and anthem(s) will be chosen to go with them. Of course, if something occurs that should be marked (death of the sovereign for example) changes will be made to reflect that.

    In the case of our latest part-time clergy person, their training didn't touch on music in the liturgy at all, not the selection or the performance. I've even had to teach them how to intone ferial responses 😧

  • You had the proposed music schedule for the term before Christmas and the confirmed list for February and March on 15th January.
    I know this is a common practice but it feels so alien to me. For me the whole service - music, Scripture readings, sermon, prayers etc - is all of a piece, often with the hymns picking up or reflecting upon the sermon's theme. Although I do usually follow the Lectionary I cannot possibly know how the sermon will develop weeks in advance; if nothing else, it well be influenced to some degree by current events.
    When you employ a professional organist and have a choir it is customary for them to choose music - they know what the choir can do and they need lead-time to rehearse anything other than hymns.
    That’s not what’s customary in my tribe. The music director chooses anthems and the like, but the minister has responsibility for hymns, unless the minister has delegated that to the music director. In most cases, the minister(s) and music director work closely and collaboratively, but the call on hymns ultimately belongs to the minister(s).

    Our ministers and music director meet weekly to plan. They are generally planning weeks in advance, or seasons at a time, but part of that planning time is looking forward to the following Sunday. That’s when hymns would be discussed. I think that’s a fairly normal arrangement in my tribe.

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