I think people are accidentally missing my host post and others are cross posting with them. People - no more Shakespeare unless he's making a joke relevant to this thread and that's what you want to discuss. But feel free to start a thread on literary analysis on another board.
And yes, literary analysis is a valid academic field, but for some (many) people it takes all the fun out of literature. It certainly did for my daughter, and I am speaking of a girl whose favourite book at the age of 12 was 'The Three Musketeers.' Unabridged.
Caveat that I've never read it, but isn't The Three Musketeers kind of escapist reading anyway? I definitely have nothing against escapism, but it's not the sort of stuff that generally gets analyzed in literarure classes.
My tastes in music are strictly Top 40, if that, of any genre, and I lean heavily towards pop etc. So if I were to take a music-analysis class and have a lousy time in it, I'd say the problem might not be the class itself, but my own musical preferences.
@stetson that may have been a crosspost, but in case it helps anyone, @Louise probably did not mean just Shakespeare there. The merits of other literary pieces like Dumas should also go on another thread.
As an aside, is 'latte-sipping left' a phrase he uses? Just because it's funny to me since lattes nowadays are the mainstay of working-class women in provincial towns. The people who I assume he means by 'latte-sipping left' (who....aren't really a real thing, or at least not in opposition to 'real working-class people' who presumably drink nothing but ditch-flavoured gruel) all pretty much uniformly drink short black single-origin coffees, preferably from an Aeropress or via pour-over. Lattes are deeply unfashionable in the same way Cosmopolitans (the cocktail) were by the time Sex and the City had made them mainstream.
I had no idea lattes were so unfashionable - but then I'm the kind of person who doesn't know what's fashionable. I'm now conflicted about whether my self-image as a latte drinker fits better or worse knowing that it's a working class provincial drink rather than a pretentious left-wing drink.
I tend to adjust my class identity according to mood, though I'd probably only feel able to make jokes against my middle-class class identity.
Edited to add - I realise I'm going a long way back in the discussion - please excuse me - coffee is important.
You'd probably know better than we up in suburbia do, but are lattes still the popular drink of the Oxford St crowd (a group very different to "working-class women in provincial towns").
I live 10 mins from Oxford St but make my own early morning coffee ( stovetop espresso with splash of milk);suspect that latte still drink of the moment judging by the take aways seen at bus stop @ 7-15 am😂🙀
I can remember drinking lattes as my morning coffee at the old Roma coffee shop, 4 decades or more ago. I was then just about the only person ordering them.
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Caveat that I've never read it, but isn't The Three Musketeers kind of escapist reading anyway? I definitely have nothing against escapism, but it's not the sort of stuff that generally gets analyzed in literarure classes.
My tastes in music are strictly Top 40, if that, of any genre, and I lean heavily towards pop etc. So if I were to take a music-analysis class and have a lousy time in it, I'd say the problem might not be the class itself, but my own musical preferences.
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I had no idea lattes were so unfashionable - but then I'm the kind of person who doesn't know what's fashionable. I'm now conflicted about whether my self-image as a latte drinker fits better or worse knowing that it's a working class provincial drink rather than a pretentious left-wing drink.
I tend to adjust my class identity according to mood, though I'd probably only feel able to make jokes against my middle-class class identity.
Edited to add - I realise I'm going a long way back in the discussion - please excuse me - coffee is important.
You'd probably know better than we up in suburbia do, but are lattes still the popular drink of the Oxford St crowd (a group very different to "working-class women in provincial towns").