This church was indeed subsequently beautifully restored and modernised, and I went to the service of rededication in 2018. It combined the rededication (and blessing of the new facilities) with Patronal Festival and Confirmation. Much incense was used, which set off the smoke alarms in the middle of the Eucharistic Prayer - as the vicar commented, at least it showed that they were working...
The associate vicar left some time ago, and the parish is now in interregnum, along with its nearby sister church of St James, Elmers End. AFAIK, a sung Mass is held each Sunday, but using each church alternately.
(BTW, the church depicted at the head of this page is not Beckenham!).
No, it’s Farm Street, London. It seems to be a software quirk that when comments are added to MW reports brought over from the Old Ship, the picture that appears is the picture from the most recent MW report.
Never mind - though it's a shame that St Michael's former website has disappeared, as it had some good photos of the very simple, but beautiful, interior of the church post-restoration.
There are one or two recent pics on the church's Twitter page, if you care to Google *St Michael and All Angels, Beckenham* and click on Images.
In the case of Our Place (30 on a good day) by generous giving, Gift Aid, renting the Hall each weekday in term-time to a pre-school Nursery, and some hard work putting on Jumble Sales, Christmas Market, Summer Fair, and the occasional Quiz Night...as well as being blessed with a hard-working self-supporting priest, whose house is provided by the Diocese.
St Michael's has been linked with a neighbouring church for some years (I don't know if it's an official *United Benefice*), whose priest retired last Easter. I understand that the job of one priest to look after both churches is to be advertised shortly, as a full-time stipendiary appointment, which of course adds up to a fair amount of £££ from each of the two.
The church MWed has a parish population of about 7800, with a congregation of around 25 - what's that in percentage terms? Our Place's population is 5800, with around 30 (or 35 if you include regular weekday people who don't come on Sundays!).
Beckenham and Our Town are both full of churches, so there are more people attending worship than just those being mentioned. Perhaps in a more rural area, there is much less choice, so to speak.
Continuing this slight tangent, AIUI (and from various published *parish profiles* - the C of E's advert for new incumbents), many small rural congregations are made up of middle-aged or elderly people, with very few young children/families.
This may, obviously, reflect the demographics of the parish(es) concerned, but, as people get promoted to glory, many more rural churches will inevitably become unviable. Urban churches have more chance of being taken on by another denomination, or by another faith.
Continuing this slight tangent, AIUI (and from various published *parish profiles* - the C of E's advert for new incumbents), many small rural congregations are made up of middle-aged or elderly people, with very few young children/families.
This may, obviously, reflect the demographics of the parish(es) concerned, but, as people get promoted to glory, many more rural churches will inevitably become unviable.
Hmm, not completely convinced. Our village, and some of those around it, are at a tipping point where the generation that moved in in the 1970s are dying/moving away/downsizing, and they are being replaced by young families buying the houses. Again anecdotally, this is actually injecting young families into the churches, because the sort of people with young families that are wanting to live in remote small villages have in their number the sort of people who want to go to the church. My own family is one of them - but just looking at the baptismal roll, from being basically static at 1-2 per year (if that) post about 1990, the last 5 years have gone through the roof.
In fact (we're currently in interregnum) the benefice profile probably needs a re-write in terms of how well it reflects the reality of now, rather than the reality of the last 20 years.
Obviously that won't happen everywhere, so more churches will as you say become 'unviable' but I'm hopeful that it won't be nearly as many as the pessimists project. I can see where our 15 parishioners might come from for the next 30 years, let's put it that way.
The rural church is (in some places) on its knees - but in some of those places that represents a genuine improvement!
I am very sceptical of these projections based on the current age profile of a congregation, which suggests the church is doomed. I remember many, many years ago an archdeacon predicting the future in such terms; if he had been right, there would be no churches whatsoever in his archdeaconry now, since the youngest congregation members would be over 100.
I am very sceptical of these projections based on the current age profile of a congregation, which suggests the church is doomed. I remember many, many years ago an archdeacon predicting the future in such terms; if he had been right, there would be no churches whatsoever in his archdeaconry now, since the youngest congregation members would be over 100.
I'm less sceptical because in our neck of the woods I'm watching it happen.
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The associate vicar left some time ago, and the parish is now in interregnum, along with its nearby sister church of St James, Elmers End. AFAIK, a sung Mass is held each Sunday, but using each church alternately.
Never mind - though it's a shame that St Michael's former website has disappeared, as it had some good photos of the very simple, but beautiful, interior of the church post-restoration.
There are one or two recent pics on the church's Twitter page, if you care to Google *St Michael and All Angels, Beckenham* and click on Images.
St Michael's has been linked with a neighbouring church for some years (I don't know if it's an official *United Benefice*), whose priest retired last Easter. I understand that the job of one priest to look after both churches is to be advertised shortly, as a full-time stipendiary appointment, which of course adds up to a fair amount of £££ from each of the two.
We’ve got 20 on the electoral roll, and a congregation of 15(ish) regulars in a village of 200.
One service with a priest per month, one service with a lay reader per month, and we pay 100% share - about £18,000 per year - to the diocese.
Some things just appear to defy gravity. That and lots and lots of hard work with fundraising events.
You seem to buck a national trend; you've got 7-10% of the village attending.
2% is closer to the average.
Beckenham and Our Town are both full of churches, so there are more people attending worship than just those being mentioned. Perhaps in a more rural area, there is much less choice, so to speak.
AIUI/IIRC church attendance as a percentage of population is much higher than 2% in rural areas. It’s 2%, as you say, *nationally*
This may, obviously, reflect the demographics of the parish(es) concerned, but, as people get promoted to glory, many more rural churches will inevitably become unviable. Urban churches have more chance of being taken on by another denomination, or by another faith.
Hmm, not completely convinced. Our village, and some of those around it, are at a tipping point where the generation that moved in in the 1970s are dying/moving away/downsizing, and they are being replaced by young families buying the houses. Again anecdotally, this is actually injecting young families into the churches, because the sort of people with young families that are wanting to live in remote small villages have in their number the sort of people who want to go to the church. My own family is one of them - but just looking at the baptismal roll, from being basically static at 1-2 per year (if that) post about 1990, the last 5 years have gone through the roof.
In fact (we're currently in interregnum) the benefice profile probably needs a re-write in terms of how well it reflects the reality of now, rather than the reality of the last 20 years.
Obviously that won't happen everywhere, so more churches will as you say become 'unviable' but I'm hopeful that it won't be nearly as many as the pessimists project. I can see where our 15 parishioners might come from for the next 30 years, let's put it that way.
The rural church is (in some places) on its knees - but in some of those places that represents a genuine improvement!
which is sort of my point - I think we're at a tipping point; some will collapse, the number tipping back to growth might be a surprise.
I'm less sceptical because in our neck of the woods I'm watching it happen.
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