General Good-byes And RIPs

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  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Terry Bollea (a.k.a. former professional wrestler Hulk Hogan) has died.
  • A Feminine ForceA Feminine Force Shipmate
    edited July 24
    Chuck Mangione has rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. Heaven has a new flugelhorn today. 84 years young. https://www.instagram.com/p/DMf2tIBxeag

    AFF
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Crœsos wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Apart from that, I think the warmest memory of the guy is when he partnered with his AA sponsor Pat Boone to promote the latter's album of metal-to-lounge covers. The only one I really know is Crazy Train, which works at least as a novelty item.

    For those who are interested, here is Pat Boone's cover of Crazy Train.

    Interesting that non-Ozzy cover is getting a significant amount of traffic in its comments-section in tribute to Osbourne's passing.

    One of the comments mentions that that version was used as the opening to The Osbournes, which I did not know, being a total non-viewer of the show.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Chuck Mangione has rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. Heaven has a new flugelhorn today. 84 years young. https://www.instagram.com/p/DMf2tIBxeag

    AFF

    Feels So Good is the Platonic form of Easy Listening. And I say that in a good way.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    edited July 24
    Terry Gene Bollea has died. Who is he? Otherwise known as Hulk Hogan of professional wrestling fame. Cardiac Arrest. Age 71 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_Hogan
  • Wesley JWesley J Circus Host
    The last surviving cast member of the 1970s TV show, Hogan's Heroes, Kenneth Washington, has died.

    I saw re-runs of it in the 1980s, and was highly amused. RIP.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    edited July 25
    It has just been announced that Dame Cleo Laine, Lady Dankworth, celebrated UK singer and widow of John Dankworth, jazz musician and impresario, died yesterday. She was 97.

  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited July 25
    Wesley J wrote: »
    The last surviving cast member of the 1970s TV show, Hogan's Heroes, Kenneth Washington, has died.

    I saw re-runs of it in the 1980s, and was highly amused. RIP.

    Weird thing is, I found the show boring, and never watched a full episode, but I think I know who all the characters were and which "archetypes" they were supposed to represent.

    And, of course, the theme song, probably the catchiest TV theme ever.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    And, of course, the theme song, probably the catchiest TV theme ever.
    Yes!

    I loved, and still love, Hogan’s Heroes. (I’m old enough to have watched it when it was first on in prime time.) Part of that was that found it very funny, but part of it was that watched it with my father—a WWII vet who never talked about his war experience, who at the end of the war was stationed in an Allied POW camp in Germany, and who loved Hogan’s Heroes. That show, together with a few other random bits of German-related things, represents a connection with the part of my dad’s life he never really shared.


  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Tom Lehrer has died, though not in the way he sang about.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    That's really sad, though he was 97. A great satirist. Back when I was school, some time ago now, his 'Irish ballad', 'About a maid I'll sing a song' was my sort of party piece.

  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Tom Lehrer has died, though not in the way he sang about.

    Time to say your Te Deums when you see those ICBMs...

    He was a genius - and prescient
    ["In German oder English I know how to count down,
    Und I'm learning Chinese!" says Wernher von Braun.

  • NicoleMRNicoleMR Shipmate
    So sad to hear. Rest in Peace.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited July 28
    I remember in the 1980s listening to an old album of Lehrer's songs from The Week That Was, and then some time later remembering where I knew the voice from...

    Who can turn a tap
    Into a tape?

    Who can turn a cap
    Into a cape?


    SPOILER

    Just add Silent E!
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    A serious and seriously funny man, Tom Lehrer. So far as RIP is concerned, he did not expect to pass go or collect 200 dollars on his way to his own (believed non-existent) Valhalla but I think he would be good fun to have in Eternity!

    And a very good pianist too!
  • NenyaNenya All Saints Host, Ecclesiantics & MW Host
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Tom Lehrer has died, though not in the way he sang about.

    RIP Tom. He was definitely in the "Wait - you mean he was still with us up to now?" category for me. I treasure a memory of one of his songs from many years ago - listening to it with my undiagnosed-but-pretty-definitely-neurodivergent elder brother (also RIP) with whom I occasionally shared a sense of humour. We both fell about laughing at his "dear old mammy - her cookin's lousy and her hands are clammy but what the hell, it's home."
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited July 28
    A reminder of Tom Lehrer's take on the RC Church:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvhYqeGp_Do

    I hope he won't be poisoning pigeons in the park, in whatever after-life he's gone to...
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    None of you will be surprised to learn that I was particularly taken with The Periodic Table, set to the Major-General's Song from Pirates of Penzance.

    RIP Mr Lehrer.
  • I treasure (and frequently repeat) his immortal comment that satire died when they awarded a Nobel Peace Prize to Henry Kissinger.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited July 28
    A reminder of Tom Lehrer's take on the RC Church:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvhYqeGp_Do

    That wasn't precisely a take on the RCC, but specifically a take on the musical reforms of Vatican II. Lehrer contextualizes it that way in his live intro to the song on The Week That Was.

    Conservatives would probably be offended either way, though they more than anyone else would agree with Lehrer's bleak prognosis for liturgical music post-V2(*).

    (*) Interestingly, given that Lehrer also satirized the folk revival in his song Folk Song Army, he didn't foresee that it would be the folk-mass, not ragtime, that gets most commonly mocked for its kitschiness.
  • PriscillaPriscilla Shipmate
    I first heard the Vatican Rag playing in a Catholic friend’s car!
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Priscilla wrote: »
    I first heard the Vatican Rag playing in a Catholic friend’s car!
    When I was in college, my voice professor had me prepare it for repertoire class. :lol:

    (He also had me prepare “I Am the Monarch of the Sea” for rep class, @Piglet.)


  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    :mrgreen:
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Oh wait, that’s not right. It was “When I Was a Lad.” And he’d cue the rest of the rep class to sing the chorus bits. (“He polished up that handle so carefully that now he is the ruler of the Queen’s Navy.”)

  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited July 29
    I once saw a production of Tomfoolery, a musical based on some of Lehrer's songs. During the overture, parts of Vatican Rag were played, and the guy in front of me tried to impress his date by singing along "2, 4, 6, 8, time to transsubstantiate". Doing that sorta thing always strikes me as riding the artist's coattails.

    Overall, neither the play nor the production was very good, since it consisted just of the songs being performed with brief explanatory intros, if that(*), and there was no unifying story at all. Plus, the characterizations were pretty uncreative, eg. The Elements was just some guy singing the song minus even the chart, and I remember thinking I woulda done it with a flirtatious, cutesy-voiced actress in a lab coat, or some such.

    (*) The musical spelling lesson mentioned a few posts above was done TOTALLY without explanation, which rendered it largely pointless to an uninformed audience.
  • Some of you may have seen it, but here is Tom Lehrer's Copenhagen recital (1967) - all 50 minutes of it, complete with subtitles of the introductions in Danish:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHPmRJIoc2k

    It was, shall we say, well-received.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Oh wait, that’s not right. It was “When I Was a Lad.” And he’d cue the rest of the rep class to sing the chorus bits. (“He polished up that handle so carefully that now he is the ruler of the Queen’s Navy.”)

    When we did a double-bill of Trial by Jury and HMS Pinafore in Orkney, David was playing the Judge in Trial, and at the dress rehearsal, after the introduction to the Judge's Song, he blithely started off into When I was a lad ..., said, "oops, sorry - wrong opera" and everybody fell about.

    There is a not-unreasonable theory that most cadences in G&S can segue seamlessly into For he is an Englishman from Pinafore. :mrgreen:
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Piglet wrote: »
    There is a not-unreasonable theory that most cadences in G&S can segue seamlessly into For he is an Englishman from Pinafore. :mrgreen:
    :lol:

    I’m sure you know Anna Russell’s “How to Write Your Own Gilbert and Sullivan Opera.”


  • Rather apropos, I was just perusing the score this morning for the "Pirate Gloria" set to the tune of "He is a pirate king."
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Ah! (Or should I say Arrrgh!?) The late Mark Schweizer’s incomperable “Pirate Eucharist”!


  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    His performances pop up when I'm on You tube because I have watched and enjoyed a lot of his work.

    I remember seeing him first on an American TV show many years ago singing Poisoning the Pigeons in the Park and I was an instant fan.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Piglet wrote: »
    There is a not-unreasonable theory that most cadences in G&S can segue seamlessly into For he is an Englishman from Pinafore. :mrgreen:
    :lol:

    I’m sure you know Anna Russell’s “How to Write Your Own Gilbert and Sullivan Opera.”
    Thanks Nick - I had heard/seen that, a long time ago, but I'd forgotten about it. :mrgreen:
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    May Tom Lehrer rest in peace and rise in glory. 🕯
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    I went to a concert of The Golden Age of Melody last night (1920s and 30s), and the singer put in a little tribute to Cleo Laine (d. aged 97), adding that she thought that Cleo had already died!
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    I was sad to hear of the death of Cleo Laine as it reminded me of my childhood. My dad was a big fan. I’m even sadder to hear of the death of Alan Ahlberg his books for children were brilliant.
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    Probably not known outside Oz, but Fr Chris Riley who set up Youth Off The Streets and helped countless young people died yesterday.
  • SojournerSojourner Shipmate
    A remarkable man; may he rest in peace
  • Very sad to read about Father Chris Riley @Sojourner and @Climacus may he rest peacefully.

    @Sarasa very sad to hear of Alan Ahlberg, he and Janet did amazing work. I remember them being well borrowed from the Junior section when I worked in the local public library. My kids and I adored the Jolly Postman series
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    I used to work in a library near where the Ahlbergs lived. I don't think I ever met them, but the other staff were so pleased they were locals. I read off those books to our son and used them for story times in the library too.
  • Firenze wrote: »
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Tom Lehrer has died, though not in the way he sang about.

    Time to say your Te Deums when you see those ICBMs...

    He was a genius - and prescient
    ["In German oder English I know how to count down,
    Und I'm learning Chinese!" says Wernher von Braun.

    My cousin (we grew up together) married a statistician of Russian descent and they now have a daughter. I played "The Great Lobachevsky" for them and it was a great hit.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    edited August 3
    Allan Ahlberg, author of over 150 timeless books for children over the course of an extraordinary career spanning nearly 50 years, has died at the age of 87.

    Together with his late wife Janet, Allan created books that remain best-in-class for children of every age: from Each Peach Pear Plum and Peepo! to Funnybones and Starting School to the boundary-pushing Jolly Postman books, filled with pull-out letters, games, and miniature books. And Allan wrote funny, clever and poignant books for older readers too.

    I remember reading them all to my boys.

    Edited to add: ooops, sorry, just read upthread!
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited August 4
    Loni Anderson

    Even moreso than most TV stars, almost completely synonymous in her public identity with one character and one character only. I'm tempted to say she represented a progressive updating of certain creaky old Hollywood tropes, but part of me is also not so certain that "AU-extractor with a compassionate sense of morality" was neccessarily much of an improvement over anything.

    There WAS that one episode in which Jennifer was fighting with her deceased elderly boyfriend's family over the man's will, and after winning, she announces she's gonna use her entire inheritance to throw a big parade for all the children in town, thus proving she wasn't motivated by personal greed. But, of course, that worked by playing off the original stereotype of the scheming vamp(*).

    Apart from WKRP, I recall her on a contemporaneous episode of Candid Camera, where they had her impersonate a school employee of some sort, ask a bunch of questions to two teenaged boys, and then the camera records their reactions after she left. You can guess.

    I also have a clear memory of one of those tabloid-TV shows accompanying her to a memorabilia-signing at a mall somewhere, and the story ended up being about how almost nobody showed up at the kiosk. The cameraman made a point of showing lotsa close-ups of her face so we could all study her attempts at retaining emotional dignity.

    I'm sure she must've been in some movies, but nothing is coming to mind right now. She did have at least one pin-up poster.

    (*) In fairness, she was portrayed as being well-read. I think in one episode she opined that Christian Existentialism had the best answers to life's questions.
  • Sarasa wrote: »
    I was sad to hear of the death of Cleo Laine as it reminded me of my childhood. My dad was a big fan. I’m even sadder to hear of the death of Alan Ahlberg his books for children were brilliant.

    Yes. I had two of Cleo Laine's LPs - Sometimes When We Touch and Best Friends
  • MarsupialMarsupial Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    Loni Anderson

    Even moreso than most TV stars, almost completely synonymous in her public identity with one character and one character only. I'm tempted to say she represented a progressive updating of certain creaky old Hollywood tropes, but part of me is also not so certain that "AU-extractor with a compassionate sense of morality" was neccessarily much of an improvement over anything.

    There WAS that one episode in which Jennifer was fighting with her deceased elderly boyfriend's family over the man's will, and after winning, she announces she's gonna use her entire inheritance to throw a big parade for all the children in town, thus proving she wasn't motivated by personal greed. But, of course, that worked by playing off the original stereotype of the scheming vamp(*).

    Apart from WKRP, I recall her on a contemporaneous episode of Candid Camera, where they had her impersonate a school employee of some sort, ask a bunch of questions to two teenaged boys, and then the camera records their reactions after she left. You can guess.

    I also have a clear memory of one of those tabloid-TV shows accompanying her to a memorabilia-signing at a mall somewhere, and the story ended up being about how almost nobody showed up at the kiosk. The cameraman made a point of showing lotsa close-ups of her face so we could all study her attempts at retaining emotional dignity.

    I'm sure she must've been in some movies, but nothing is coming to mind right now. She did have at least one pin-up poster.

    (*) In fairness, she was portrayed as being well-read. I think in one episode she opined that Christian Existentialism had the best answers to life's questions.

    There’s a curious obit of Anderson in the Globe:

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/television/article-loni-anderson-jennifer-marlowe-wkrp-in-cincinnati-stereotypes/

    … the full title of which is that her portrayal of Jennifer Marlowe *skewered* stereotypes. WKRP was sort before my time and I think I only caught the show from time to time in re-runs, so I really have no idea whether there is any truth in this seemingly contrarian take.

  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited August 6
    @Marsupial

    I can't access the Globe, but based on the headline, I'd say the guy is correctly describing what the writers were TRYING to do with the character, and that's probably how most TV critics and the more cerebral of the fans interpreted her. I was just kinda questioning whether the show really succeeded at that.

    I will say that, unlike Suzanne Sommers' second iteration of Chrissy, Jennifer was NOT stupid. But in the few episodes where she was centre-stage in the plot, she played an oddly passive role in the whole proceedings.

    In the one where she does the radio advice-show, she starts giving flippant, semi-joking advice to people with serious problems, resulting in tragedy when someone takes the advice seriously, and ultimately a heartbreaking moral epiphany for Jennifer. Carlson comes onto the scene, assures her that the victim had problems that went way beyond one radio show, and then Jennifer asks to be left alone so she can cry.

    So, Jennifer screws up, learns her lesson, and cries.

    Then there was the one where the sleazy photographer hired by Herb secretly got nude photos of Jennifer in the changing room on an advertising shoot. So, after Jennifer herself tries and fails to seduce the photographer into handing them back, her male co-workers in one way or another try to get the photos away from the guy's office, culminating with Johnny and Bailey impersonating a pair of eurotrash pornographers in a clever con-job(*).

    (*) Not the only time the sexual chemistry between Johnny and Bailey was explored with pornography as a plot device. In the one where they all end up in a 3D porn theatre(Herb had taken refuge there to dodge a dreaded medical exam), Johnny earnestly demands that Bailey be exited from the premises, only to have Bailey snap back at his paternalism with some streetwise snark, until she puts the glasses on.
  • Sad to read of the passing of Col Joye, early rock/pop musician in Australia. When interviewed he came across as a nice genuine person.
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    Stella Rimington, the first female head of MI5, has just died, aged 90.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Eigon wrote: »
    Stella Rimington, the first female head of MI5, has just died, aged 90.

    I've never read her novels, but a friend of mine has, and I was opining to him a while back that she must have had to walk a tightrope between writing fiction about her own spy agency, and revealing stuff that her fellow spooks would prefer stay sub rosa.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited August 6
    FWIW, in the Christmas tribute one year, Jennifer Marlowe was the Jacob Marley character. I suspect this was mostly because the respective initials suggested a good pun, though in fairness, as far as the day to day activities portrayed at the station went, Jennifer probably was the closest Carlson had to a business partner.

    Plus, the character in general had a tendency toward delivering common-sensical moralism in clear language(*).

    (*) See the episode where Les endures a major crisis after certain allegations about his personal life go public.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited August 7
    Thinking about it, I can't recall why Carlson was supposed to be in need of the usual ghostly xmas cavalcade, since he was pretty much the least dickensian of any boss portrayed in a workplace comedy since, well, Dickens. With that being almost certainly an intentional quality on the part of the writers.

    Maybe he was being a tightwad with the bonuses, since there was a slight aura of midwest flintiness about him.
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