If you look, this is the Hell Message Board of SOF
Yes. IOW complaining that the thread has "gone to hell in a hurry" is kind of a redundant metaphor. Something like "gone into the shitter" would probably work better, since we're less likely to take that as a compliment.
If you look, this is the Hell Message Board of SOF
Yes. IOW complaining that the thread has "gone to hell in a hurry" is kind of a redundant metaphor. Something like "gone into the shitter" would probably work better, since we're less likely to take that as a compliment.
If you look, this is the Hell Message Board of SOF
Yes. IOW complaining that the thread has "gone to hell in a hurry" is kind of a redundant metaphor. Something like "gone into the shitter" would probably work better, since we're less likely to take that as a compliment.
lol. In pointing out the obvious, why would anyone think it wasn’t obvious to me?
Time for a Captain’s Mast. This crew needs an intervention.
Don't look now, people, but while we are attacking Iran, we are about to have a "friendly takeover" of Cuba, in Maro Rubio's words. As if one company is about to assume another company.
If you look, this is the Hell Message Board of SOF
Yes. IOW complaining that the thread has "gone to hell in a hurry" is kind of a redundant metaphor. Something like "gone into the shitter" would probably work better, since we're less likely to take that as a compliment.
If you look, this is the Hell Message Board of SOF
Yes. IOW complaining that the thread has "gone to hell in a hurry" is kind of a redundant metaphor. Something like "gone into the shitter" would probably work better, since we're less likely to take that as a compliment.
lol. In pointing out the obvious, why would anyone think it wasn’t obvious to me?
From your apparent surprise that we were rubbishing Trump in a Rubbish Trump thread
Time for a Captain’s Mast. This crew needs an intervention.
Word to the wise - this Ship has been afloat for a very long time and seen several complete refits. There have been a number of occasions when new crewmen have thought they had a handle on how it might run better, and it generally hasn't ended well. Pour a grog, get your feet under the table and remember at first why God gave you two ears but only one mouth.
Word to the wise - this Ship has been afloat for a very long time and seen several complete refits. There have been a number of occasions when new crewmen have thought they had a handle on how it might run better, and it generally hasn't ended well. Pour a grog, get your feet under the table and remember at first why God gave you two ears but only one mouth.
He's a self-described conservative -- should have some natural respect for institutions, but we know how that goes these days.
Meanwhile, trump's Nobel Peace Prize campaign forges ahead famously in Iran.
Someone at The Guardian wrote that Infantino will now "have a lot of explaining to do" over giving the "FIFA Peace Prize" to Trump, but I doubt he ever cared about the logical rationale to begin with.
While our eyes are focused on the attacks on Iran, I would not be surprised if Trump will sign a draft executive order putting the mid term elections under federal control. News outlets have been saying there is such and order out there. Trump says he knows nothing about the order (translation: he does).
There is no officially released copy of said order, but various news outlets claim they have seen it.
Here is what I surmise is in the order:
Federalize election administration under emergency powers. (Claim: China interfered with the 2020 election--no evidence presented).
Replace machine‑based voting with hand‑marked, hand‑counted ballots.
Force nationwide voter re‑registration with proof of citizenship
Mandate voter ID and restrict mail‑in voting.
Use federal databases to verify citizenship.
Many State AG's are set to file court motions if this is signed
Word to the wise - this Ship has been afloat for a very long time and seen several complete refits. There have been a number of occasions when new crewmen have thought they had a handle on how it might run better, and it generally hasn't ended well. Pour a grog, get your feet under the table and remember at first why God gave you two ears but only one mouth.
Yes, thanks. I read the guidelines— not for the thin skinned and all that.
Maybe I missed the part where it says that the crew must all sing from a single song sheet.
Word to the wise - this Ship has been afloat for a very long time and seen several complete refits. There have been a number of occasions when new crewmen have thought they had a handle on how it might run better, and it generally hasn't ended well. Pour a grog, get your feet under the table and remember at first why God gave you two ears but only one mouth.
Yes, thanks. I read the guidelines— not for the thin skinned and all that.
Maybe I missed the part where it says that the crew must all sing from a single song sheet.
Stay jaunty.
Actually, @Mr E, we have long said we needed more conservatives on the board. Nearly all of them left several years ago. We do not have to sing from a single song sheet, but it is good to harmonize.
It would be good if there was another thread about Mr Trump that discussed the good things he's done and why they are good. I twill help ud to 'love our enemies', or at least understand them better and /or give them the benifit of the doubt . Perhaps Mr E would like to start one in purgatory, perhaps?
I've thought about starting a 'what Mr Starmer's done or us (UK)' but have so far failed to find anything praiseworthy.
@RockyRoger I could give you a list, but I am unwilling to just post straight political propaganda - given I am a member of the Labour Party. If you google achievements of the current Labour government you will find various lists put out by the party, I can absolutely guarantee that these will be contested.
It will also be contested what is a good thing, and what a bad. For example, the government has removed the tax emption for private school fees. I think this a good thing, others will not a agree.
NHS waiting lists have come down - most people will agree this a good thing; however, most non-Labour supporters would produce a laundry list of reasons as to why they shouldn’t get the credit for that (post-pandemic for example) and other things they are not happy about in the way the health service is operating. Etc Etc.
trump and 'care' don't belong in the same sentence.
Sure, but a lot of Democratic politicians don't seem to care either. Biden seemed to care about regular people, but not enough to step aside when he should have. Clinton threw gay people under the bus his first week in office and later cut food stamps. Gavin Newsom is touted as a candidate for 2028, but the pictures of him tossing homeless people's belongings in the trash just as soon as the Supreme Court said it was legal to clear their encampments don't make me think he cares.
I don't like the Trump voters - I stopped going to church altogether in 2016 when the priest said we had to accept them and didn't say anything about the horrors they had voted for. And every time the New York Times sends a reporter to interview assholes in some midwestern diner about why they voted for Trump I want to vomit. But in the US if we're ever going to have a decent country, we need to understand what motivates Trump voters, if only to neutralize their impact.
So we can't just say they voted their pocketbook, because though some did, a lot of Trump's lasting support has come from white people in suburbs who are doing just fine.
And young people that follow Musk and are worried about freedom of speech.
Yes I think it was a protest vote.
Happening everywhere cos the status quo isn't working anymore.
@RockyRoger I could give you a list, but I am unwilling to just post straight political propaganda - given I am a member of the Labour Party. If you google achievements of the current Labour government you will find various lists put out by the party, I can absolutely guarantee that these will be contested.
It will also be contested what is a good thing, and what a bad. For example, the government has removed the tax emption for private school fees. I think this a good thing, others will not a agree.
NHS waiting lists have come down - most people will agree this a good thing; however, most non-Labour supporters would produce a laundry list of reasons as to why they shouldn’t get the credit for that (post-pandemic for example) and other things they are not happy about in the way the health service is operating. Etc Etc.
Tangent, sorry! Many thanks for this. I'll go away now!
Happening everywhere cos the status quo isn't working anymore.
Who says the status quo isn't working? The people (mostly of the right) who stand to gain if we all agree with them. So they say it loudly and often but have never presented any evidence.
With the way that minimum wage in the UK has been going up in recent years I don't see how low and stagnant wages are a thing or a problem. Cost of living increases are an issue but are they the fault of the status quo? My memory is that price increases particularly kicked in when Russia invaded Ukraine and fuel prices went up with a knock-on effect on other things. The invasion was not caused by the status quo of government.
With the way that minimum wage in the UK has been going up in recent years I don't see how low and stagnant wages are a thing or a problem. Cost of living increases are an issue but are they the fault of the status quo? My memory is that price increases particularly kicked in when Russia invaded Ukraine and fuel prices went up with a knock-on effect on other things. The invasion was not caused by the status quo of government.
There is an ongoing issue of the share of wealth going to capital vs labour tilting more and more toward the former. Wages haven't kept base with GDP and the increases in rents and house prices have dwarfed the (welcome) increases in the minimum wage. Russia's invasion sent inflation soaring but it also allowed companies to profiteer on the back of it.
I posted something on the Purgatory thread about good things that Labour have done. As for Trump I would have said during his last presidency that his unwillingness to get involved in wars was a good thing. That one has gone right out the window.
Happening everywhere cos the status quo isn't working anymore.
Who says the status quo isn't working? The people (mostly of the right) who stand to gain if we all agree with them. So they say it loudly and often but have never presented any evidence.
Lots of people on the left would say the status quo isn't working for most people. See Hannah Spencer's acceptance speech on winning the recent by-election. The problem with Trump and the right generally, is that he's working for the people for whom the current status quo is working, while trying to blame the people for whom it's working least well.
Happening everywhere cos the status quo isn't working anymore.
Who says the status quo isn't working? The people (mostly of the right) who stand to gain if we all agree with them. So they say it loudly and often but have never presented any evidence.
Lots of people on the left would say the status quo isn't working for most people. See Hannah Spencer's acceptance speech on winning the recent by-election. The problem with Trump and the right generally, is that he's working for the people for whom the current status quo is working, while trying to blame the people for whom it's working least well.
A lot of Trump’s support is from the working class and poorer white people, who feel that the Democrats are elitist and don’t represent them, while Trump and his cabal do nothing in the interest of the less well off. It’s much the same in Britain, where Farage and the right have garnered support from disillusioned poorer people, while Reform and Tory policies do nothing in their interests.
The sort of thing that drives me spare, is Reform complaining that women aren’t having enough children whilst simultaneously complaining too many people are migrating to the country (regardless of status). Do you think we need more people or not ? Make up your fucking mind !
(Yes I know they also bitch about integration, but typically their primary argument is there aren’t enough jobs and services, immigrants push wages down and represent a net drain on national resource - which isn’t true - but that is tangential to the point I am making here. When looked at closely the integration argument usually turns out to be bog standard racism in a fancy hat.)
They also want to reintroduce the two-child benefit cap, so they only want rich women to have lots of children. Or maybe they're not serious about wanting women to have lots of children. Who can say? It's even more incoherent than the rest of their 'policies.'
The minumum wage rises, but there's stagnation further up, so you get this concertina of people who can only rise so far while costs continue to escalate.
They also want to reintroduce the two-child benefit cap, so they only want rich women to have lots of children. Or maybe they're not serious about wanting women to have lots of children. Who can say? It's even more incoherent than the rest of their 'policies.'
They want white, non-immigrant, English women to have lots of children for the Fatherland. I assume it's so they have cannon fodder when they inevitably start a war to distract from domestic disaster.
They also want to reintroduce the two-child benefit cap, so they only want rich women to have lots of children. Or maybe they're not serious about wanting women to have lots of children. Who can say? It's even more incoherent than the rest of their 'policies.'
They want white, non-immigrant, English women to have lots of children for the Fatherland. I assume it's so they have cannon fodder when they inevitably start a war to distract from domestic disaster.
The thought occurred to me, too.
That ghastly scrote Goodwin, who lost so ungracefully at Gorton & Denton, thinks along those lines...
Happening everywhere cos the status quo isn't working anymore.
Who says the status quo isn't working? The people (mostly of the right) who stand to gain if we all agree with them. So they say it loudly and often but have never presented any evidence.
Lots of people on the left would say the status quo isn't working for most people. See Hannah Spencer's acceptance speech on winning the recent by-election. The problem with Trump and the right generally, is that he's working for the people for whom the current status quo is working, while trying to blame the people for whom it's working least well.
A lot of Trump’s support is from the working class and poorer white people, who feel that the Democrats are elitist and don’t represent them, while Trump and his cabal do nothing in the interest of the less well off. It’s much the same in Britain, where Farage and the right have garnered support from disillusioned poorer people, while Reform and Tory policies do nothing in their interests.
Trump has not too subtly emphasised that Democrats tend to educated; therefore elitist and by his definition, enemies of the people. His attacks on education have been well-received by his constituency while making it harder for poorer people who want to get ahead. He may have a point: he himself has been fiercely resistant to education but has become a successful billionaire through fraud, corruption and his version of the presidency - a role model for many.
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With orange crayons only?
Are you thinking a ceremonial stake and mallet?
Fascinating, of course.
Kind of has an Orwellian two minutes of hate, vibe.
Well, then, I hope you're at least enjoying the atmosphere of hockey fields and cold baths and community hikes and general clean-mindedness!
If you look, this is the Hell Message Board of SOF
Welcome to the boards, too.
Yes. IOW complaining that the thread has "gone to hell in a hurry" is kind of a redundant metaphor. Something like "gone into the shitter" would probably work better, since we're less likely to take that as a compliment.
I don’t think it will work
Wow--tough crowd. Nothing gets by the audience at a play on words.
It's more sort of - this Hell thread was set up specifically to rant and despair at Trump's antics. Naturally, therefore, that's what happens here.
lol. In pointing out the obvious, why would anyone think it wasn’t obvious to me?
Time for a Captain’s Mast. This crew needs an intervention.
From your apparent surprise that we were rubbishing Trump in a Rubbish Trump thread
Word to the wise - this Ship has been afloat for a very long time and seen several complete refits. There have been a number of occasions when new crewmen have thought they had a handle on how it might run better, and it generally hasn't ended well. Pour a grog, get your feet under the table and remember at first why God gave you two ears but only one mouth.
He's a self-described conservative -- should have some natural respect for institutions, but we know how that goes these days.
Someone at The Guardian wrote that Infantino will now "have a lot of explaining to do" over giving the "FIFA Peace Prize" to Trump, but I doubt he ever cared about the logical rationale to begin with.
There is no officially released copy of said order, but various news outlets claim they have seen it.
Here is what I surmise is in the order:
Many State AG's are set to file court motions if this is signed
>>>Which is to say, let the games begin.
Yes, thanks. I read the guidelines— not for the thin skinned and all that.
Maybe I missed the part where it says that the crew must all sing from a single song sheet.
Stay jaunty.
Actually, @Mr E, we have long said we needed more conservatives on the board. Nearly all of them left several years ago. We do not have to sing from a single song sheet, but it is good to harmonize.
I've thought about starting a 'what Mr Starmer's done or us (UK)' but have so far failed to find anything praiseworthy.
It will also be contested what is a good thing, and what a bad. For example, the government has removed the tax emption for private school fees. I think this a good thing, others will not a agree.
NHS waiting lists have come down - most people will agree this a good thing; however, most non-Labour supporters would produce a laundry list of reasons as to why they shouldn’t get the credit for that (post-pandemic for example) and other things they are not happy about in the way the health service is operating. Etc Etc.
And young people that follow Musk and are worried about freedom of speech.
Yes I think it was a protest vote.
Happening everywhere cos the status quo isn't working anymore.
Tangent, sorry! Many thanks for this. I'll go away now!
Who says the status quo isn't working? The people (mostly of the right) who stand to gain if we all agree with them. So they say it loudly and often but have never presented any evidence.
Plenty of people have pointed to the problems of low and mostly stagnant wages and the high cost of living.
Neither of which the right has any actual answers to.
There is an ongoing issue of the share of wealth going to capital vs labour tilting more and more toward the former. Wages haven't kept base with GDP and the increases in rents and house prices have dwarfed the (welcome) increases in the minimum wage. Russia's invasion sent inflation soaring but it also allowed companies to profiteer on the back of it.
A lot of Trump’s support is from the working class and poorer white people, who feel that the Democrats are elitist and don’t represent them, while Trump and his cabal do nothing in the interest of the less well off. It’s much the same in Britain, where Farage and the right have garnered support from disillusioned poorer people, while Reform and Tory policies do nothing in their interests.
(Yes I know they also bitch about integration, but typically their primary argument is there aren’t enough jobs and services, immigrants push wages down and represent a net drain on national resource - which isn’t true - but that is tangential to the point I am making here. When looked at closely the integration argument usually turns out to be bog standard racism in a fancy hat.)
They want white, non-immigrant, English women to have lots of children for the Fatherland. I assume it's so they have cannon fodder when they inevitably start a war to distract from domestic disaster.
Have you seen how the Federal minimum wage fares after inflation is taken into account?
That's even before we get to the eroding of working conditions and benefits, especially at the low end?
The thought occurred to me, too.
That ghastly scrote Goodwin, who lost so ungracefully at Gorton & Denton, thinks along those lines...
Oops - prolonging a tangent. Sorry.
Trump has not too subtly emphasised that Democrats tend to educated; therefore elitist and by his definition, enemies of the people. His attacks on education have been well-received by his constituency while making it harder for poorer people who want to get ahead. He may have a point: he himself has been fiercely resistant to education but has become a successful billionaire through fraud, corruption and his version of the presidency - a role model for many.