Bad theology in the face of tragedy

The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
Early this morning I received a GroupMe message that a coworker's uncle and cousin were killed overnight in a car accident. Immediately there followed a number of posts of condolence as well as the typical 'thoughts and prayers.' But one person posted the following response: "O taste and see that the Lord is good." Of all of the things that a person could post after a tragedy, this seemed pretty vapid to me. What the hell.

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  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    A vicar friend of mine is quoted as saying that the Church is the Body of Christ, but it's unclear why He needs so many arseholes.
  • That's akin to saying, "The Lord loved them so much that he took them to be with him". Awful.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited March 3
    It’s so bad and out of left field that I’d wonder if there was some confusion, like the person lost track of which thread they were responding on.


  • Indeed. Me, I'm wondering if they cut and pasted the wrong verse.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    It gets slightly better if you include the second half of the verse, but not by a lot.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 3
    I once asked Father Fuckwit why the Old Testament was so full of smiting, ethnic cleansing, murdering of babies etc. etc., only to be told that all this was to prepare for the coming of Christ.
    :flushed:

    Given the way the world has gone since the coming of Christ, it makes me wonder sometimes why he (Christ) bothered...maybe it would have been better if we'd all been Buddhists...
    :wink:

    (Yes, I know - it's more complicated than that).
  • When I was a small child there was an old cheerful lady who lived near me. I remember that she was always smiling and seemed to finish every sentence with a phrase like "oh happy day".

    I cannot remember her story, it is quite possible she had led a life of incredible trauma and that valuing each new day was important to her, but even in those days I remember thinking that it was a quite unfortunate vocal tic.

    Reading about Tourettes in the last few weeks I have been wondering if it was something like that, an involuntary utterance that she said so often that it became automatic. I remember another friend of my grandmother who was funny to talk to because she would show she was listening to you by repeating back to you the last thing you said. "I went to Weston last weekend" "Oh that's right, you had a lovely time in Weston last weekend"

    I do not use Facebook or similar things but it seems like a place where one might see similar repeated behaviours. People grieve and express condolences in different ways, it is probably best to try not to take offense as they probably do not mean to be hurtful.
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    I posted this here in Hell because of my frustration about it, but I am genuinely curious about the theological position that says -- this unambiguously bad thing happened : God is good. It's almost as if this person is trying to head-off any frustration with God. That's how I read it, perhaps reflexively.
  • The_Riv wrote: »
    I posted this here in Hell because of my frustration about it, but I am genuinely curious about the theological position that says -- this unambiguously bad thing happened : God is good. It's almost as if this person is trying to head-off any frustration with God. That's how I read it, perhaps reflexively.

    Understandably, but I think @Baptist Trainfan makes a valid point. There are some people who try to persuade themselves (and everyone else) that nothing - however bad or tragic - happens outside God's Plan™.

    They may, or may not, be right.
  • Further to my above, here's a research paper I have found about handwritten Tourettes tics.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4756112/

    It seems like there could be other neurological conditions that mean one types inappropriate looking phrases into Facebook pages.

    I fortunately do not have a neurological condition like that so unfortunately I have no excuses for my own inappropiate typing.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    I read it much like how observant Jews will repeat the Shema Isreal at the time of death: "Hear O Isreal, the Lord is one." When I first heard that phrase--understand, I was raised a hick out in the Far West--I thought it an odd affirmation, especially at the time of death. Could the person's response about God being good be taken in the same context? I would not know unless I could ask that person.

    I think that would be my next step. Send a private message to the person in question, asking what he/she/they meant before I go to another board and ask, "What the hell."
  • The_Riv wrote: »
    I posted this here in Hell because of my frustration about it, but I am genuinely curious about the theological position that says -- this unambiguously bad thing happened : God is good. It's almost as if this person is trying to head-off any frustration with God. That's how I read it, perhaps reflexively.

    A Shipmate educated me about a thing called "spiritual bypassing". It's something that some people do when they are having doubts or difficult feelings about God and can't cope in healthy ways with that, so they skip immediately to these kinds of obnoxious statements. I have someone in my family who does this, I think possibly because he genuinely worries that he might get smitten or something if he says "That sucks" or expresses anger toward God.

    And then there are the people who think you can "manifest" something terrible if you ever, ever verbally acknowledge that bad things happen. And for them, saying this stuff is a way of warding off more evil.

    I wish there was some way to prevent it, it just hurts more people. Ugh.
  • There's also dementia as a possibility of course. A person with early onset might be losing context and/or might even think they are commenting on a different post.
  • Thinking that the person responsible for the infelicitous post might have simply made a mistake (for whatever reason) is at least charitable.
  • GwaiGwai Epiphanies Host
    I had not heard the phrase spiritual bypassing, but that's how I interpret this too. I have known people who need to affirm the goodness of god and the rightness of whatever happens because otherwise they seem to think themselves blaspheming.
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    The_Riv wrote: »
    I posted this here in Hell because of my frustration about it, but I am genuinely curious about the theological position that says -- this unambiguously bad thing happened : God is good. It's almost as if this person is trying to head-off any frustration with God. That's how I read it, perhaps reflexively.

    A Shipmate educated me about a thing called "spiritual bypassing". It's something that some people do when they are having doubts or difficult feelings about God and can't cope in healthy ways with that, so they skip immediately to these kinds of obnoxious statements. I have someone in my family who does this, I think possibly because he genuinely worries that he might get smitten or something if he says "That sucks" or expresses anger toward God.

    And then there are the people who think you can "manifest" something terrible if you ever, ever verbally acknowledge that bad things happen. And for them, saying this stuff is a way of warding off more evil.

    I wish there was some way to prevent it, it just hurts more people. Ugh.
    I'm glad to learn this term, @Lamb Chopped -- thank you. I have a number of people in my family for whom this is also true. I tend not to share difficult things with them for that reason.
    There's also dementia as a possibility of course. A person with early onset might be losing context and/or might even think they are commenting on a different post.
    The person in question has no afflictions or dementia. They are outwardly religious, and a source of a lot of God talk.
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    I think that would be my next step. Send a private message to the person in question, asking what he/she/they meant before I go to another board and ask, "What the hell."
    Do let us know when your opportunity presents itself. FFS.

  • They are outwardly religious, and a source of a lot of God talk.

    Sounds like a few clergy I've been acquainted with...
    :naughty:
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    My wife is a member of several church WhatsApp groups. She gets cross when people respond to someones bad news with the Praying Hands emoji, and nothing more. She feels its trite, too easy a response and under-values the thing and person it is responding to. Little better than a patronising "aaah."
  • Alan29 wrote: »
    My wife is a member of several church WhatsApp groups. She gets cross when people respond to someones bad news with the Praying Hands emoji, and nothing more. She feels its trite, too easy a response and under-values the thing and person it is responding to. Little better than a patronising "aaah."

    Is that response a sort of equivalent to the 'thoughts and prayers' thing?
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    @Riv Your snide remark:
    Do let us know when your opportunity presents itself. FFS.

    How can I? I am not on the app you referenced. You are. What I am asking is why are you bringing a concern you are having on one app to a separate board? The old Matthew 18 directive applies: If you take offense at what your brother/sister is doing, go show them the offense...
  • NicoleMRNicoleMR Shipmate
    Sometimes people just say stupid things in the face of tragedy. The worst I know... when my cousins were killed, someone wrote on a board of messages for mourners something along the lines of "God wanted her sweet voice in the heavenly choir so he took her" about a 12 year old girl who had the potential of being a professional singer, who's own father went mad and murdered her and her mother in cold blood. I don't think anyone who seriously thought about it would think God wanted a man to shoot his wife and child because his business failed, in order to expand the soprano section of the angels.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Alan29 wrote: »
    My wife is a member of several church WhatsApp groups. She gets cross when people respond to someones bad news with the Praying Hands emoji, and nothing more. She feels its trite, too easy a response and under-values the thing and person it is responding to. Little better than a patronising "aaah."

    Is that response a sort of equivalent to the 'thoughts and prayers' thing?

    Exactly that.
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