General Good-byes And RIPs

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  • RIP Robin Smith, hard-hitting Engjand batter who loved the fiery fast stuff. This is perhaps his greatest innings: https://youtu.be/dzKLvfumEuI?si=_p7ydPTzn5FVVTKN

    Thanks for that. An enjoyable memory.
  • RIP Robin Smith, hard-hitting Engjand batter who loved the fiery fast stuff. This is perhaps his greatest innings: https://youtu.be/dzKLvfumEuI?si=_p7ydPTzn5FVVTKN

    Thanks for that. An enjoyable memory.
  • Famous YouTuber Adam the Woo has passed. :( RIP.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited December 28
    KarlLB wrote: »

    I'll retroactively dedicate the one dog-meat dinner I've had to her memory.
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Hopefully I'll never see a woman referred to as a 'sex symbol' ever again. She might have had a very different film career in a different era.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    I actually saw the Charlie Hebdo parody of Bardot in Contempt a little bit before I saw the original movie, and apart from thinking the other person in the cartoon looked like Godard, didn't recognize the connection until it was pointed out to me. I have no clear memories of her performance in that movie(a godardian send-up of Hollywood and America generally), except for the part that had earlier been tributed by the Hebdo.

    Other than that, the only thing I can remember seeing her in was some G-rated disneyesque American thing about a young adolescent boy who has a mad crush on her and gets to meet her at the very end. It was called something in the vicinity of Hello Brigitte. All I remember(this was the late 1970s on Sunday afternoon TV) is Bardot gives the boy a puppy as a gift, and he then has a poignant hand-on-shoulder moment with his dad where he says something like "She's the most beautiful woman in the world."

    Anyway, hopefully Jean Marie Le Pen is now at the sulphuric arcs to welcome her home with true gallic gallantry.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    The movie I mentioned above is called Dear Brigitte, and has a more complicated set-up than I remembered, involving gambling rings and psychiatrists.
  • stetson wrote: »
    I actually saw the Charlie Hebdo parody of Bardot in Contempt a little bit before I saw the original movie, and apart from thinking the other person in the cartoon looked like Godard, didn't recognize the connection until it was pointed out to me. I have no clear memories of her performance in that movie(a godardian send-up of Hollywood and America generally), except for the part that had earlier been tributed by the Hebdo.

    Other than that, the only thing I can remember seeing her in was some G-rated disneyesque American thing about a young adolescent boy who has a mad crush on her and gets to meet her at the very end. It was called something in the vicinity of Hello Brigitte. All I remember(this was the late 1970s on Sunday afternoon TV) is Bardot gives the boy a puppy as a gift, and he then has a poignant hand-on-shoulder moment with his dad where he says something like "She's the most beautiful woman in the world."

    Anyway, hopefully Jean Marie Le Pen is now at the sulphuric arcs to welcome her home with true gallic gallantry.

    Hopefully both of them will find ultimate redemption, I pray. 🕯
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited December 30
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    I actually saw the Charlie Hebdo parody of Bardot in Contempt a little bit before I saw the original movie, and apart from thinking the other person in the cartoon looked like Godard, didn't recognize the connection until it was pointed out to me. I have no clear memories of her performance in that movie(a godardian send-up of Hollywood and America generally), except for the part that had earlier been tributed by the Hebdo.

    Other than that, the only thing I can remember seeing her in was some G-rated disneyesque American thing about a young adolescent boy who has a mad crush on her and gets to meet her at the very end. It was called something in the vicinity of Hello Brigitte. All I remember(this was the late 1970s on Sunday afternoon TV) is Bardot gives the boy a puppy as a gift, and he then has a poignant hand-on-shoulder moment with his dad where he says something like "She's the most beautiful woman in the world."

    Anyway, hopefully Jean Marie Le Pen is now at the sulphuric arcs to welcome her home with true gallic gallantry.

    Hopefully both of them will find ultimate redemption, I pray. 🕯

    Yeah, I mean, if Jesus could pray with the tax collectors(in those days, prob'ly the equivalent of gangsters working as collection-agents for a occupying empire), we can hope that Le Pen and Bardot only get tossed into purgatory and eventually make it out.

    OTOH, I think both of them knew that the things they were saying and doing were pissing off large numbers of people, and that probably accounts, at least psychologically, for why they were carrying on as such. So, they were pretty much courting abuse and villification to begin with.

    I am not in any way whatsoever a supporter of expanding animal-rights beyond the current consensus, but if I had to pick one such issue on which I agreed with Bardot, I guess it would whaling. Fans of the anti-whaling movement may be interested to know that one of the more famous boats used by the rescuers was called the Brigitte Bardot, presumably because she donated the money for it.

    The other boat I saw mentioned alongside the Brigitte Bardot was the Bob Barker, after the game-show host and animal-rights activist. I think these boats were seen on that Whale Wars show in the late 2000s, but I'm not sure.
  • @stetson said
    Yeah, I mean, if Jesus could pray with the tax collectors(in those days, prob'ly the equivalent of gangsters working as collection-agents for a occupying empire), we can hope that Le Pen and Bardot only get tossed into purgatory and eventually make it out.

    OTOH, I think both of them knew that the things they were saying and doing were pissing off large numbers of people, and that probably accounts, at least psychologically, for why they were carrying on as such. So, they were pretty much courting abuse and villification to begin with.

    Oh, I don’t think it’s dependent on the various qualities of tax collectors in the first century or anything, just Jesus’ mercy and grace, however great or small our (visible) sins on Earth. In any case, I hope they will ultimately be redeemed in the end.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited December 30
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    @stetson said
    Yeah, I mean, if Jesus could pray with the tax collectors(in those days, prob'ly the equivalent of gangsters working as collection-agents for a occupying empire), we can hope that Le Pen and Bardot only get tossed into purgatory and eventually make it out.

    OTOH, I think both of them knew that the things they were saying and doing were pissing off large numbers of people, and that probably accounts, at least psychologically, for why they were carrying on as such. So, they were pretty much courting abuse and villification to begin with.

    Oh, I don’t think it’s dependent on the various qualities of tax collectors in the first century or anything, just Jesus’ mercy and grace, however great or small our (visible) sins on Earth. In any case, I hope they will ultimately be redeemed in the end.

    Yeah, I was emphasizing the likely iniquities of 1st Century colonial tax collection to drive home that Jesus is asking us to forgive even people we would consider to be absolutely vile.

    (I sometimes think that tax-collector isn't an example that translates well from biblical times to the current era, at least not in the western democracies, where the job is seen more as an annoyance, albeit at times an extreme one. If Zacchaeus was just the nerdy accountant down the block from you who works for the revenue office of your democratically elected government, Jesus' redemptive interaction with him would pack much less of a punch.)
  • stetson wrote: »
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    @stetson said
    Yeah, I mean, if Jesus could pray with the tax collectors(in those days, prob'ly the equivalent of gangsters working as collection-agents for a occupying empire), we can hope that Le Pen and Bardot only get tossed into purgatory and eventually make it out.

    OTOH, I think both of them knew that the things they were saying and doing were pissing off large numbers of people, and that probably accounts, at least psychologically, for why they were carrying on as such. So, they were pretty much courting abuse and villification to begin with.

    Oh, I don’t think it’s dependent on the various qualities of tax collectors in the first century or anything, just Jesus’ mercy and grace, however great or small our (visible) sins on Earth. In any case, I hope they will ultimately be redeemed in the end.

    Yeah, I was emphasizing the likely iniquities of 1st Century colonial tax collection to drive home that Jesus is asking us to forgive even people we would consider to be absolutely vile.

    (I sometimes think that tax-collector isn't an example that translates well from biblical times to the current era, at least not in the western democracies, where the job is seen more as an annoyance, albeit at times an extreme one. If Zacchaeus was just the nerdy accountant down the block from you who works for the revenue office of your democratically elected government, Jesus' redemptive interaction with him would pack much less of a punch.)

    Ah, that makes sense. ❤️
  • The RogueThe Rogue Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    (I sometimes think that tax-collector isn't an example that translates well from biblical times to the current era, at least not in the western democracies, where the job is seen more as an annoyance, albeit at times an extreme one. If Zacchaeus was just the nerdy accountant down the block from you who works for the revenue office of your democratically elected government, Jesus' redemptive interaction with him would pack much less of a punch.)

    My dad was an ordained minister but had to retire on health grounds. He found a few office jobs and ended up working for HMR&C in the VAT office. He was still active in the church and was fond of pointing out that he went from being a vicar to being a tax collector.
  • Modern Tax Collectors have to do an honourable job in ensuring that everyone pays their fair share towards the maintenance of society including Health Service, Education etc. We can argue over what we should pay for and what portion we should pay. That is what parliament is therefore but the tax man is there to implement it.

    The tax man in Jesus' day was there to raise money to keep the conquering powers in power.

    A very different role.
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    And yet many of the advocates of "low tax, small state" or "all taxation is theft" still appeal to that view of tax collection to justify their world view.

    Either that, or they appeal to the 1973 Disney animated version of Robin Hood.
  • Jengie Jon wrote: »
    Modern Tax Collectors have to do an honourable job in ensuring that everyone pays their fair share towards the maintenance of society including Health Service, Education etc. We can argue over what we should pay for and what portion we should pay. That is what parliament is therefore but the tax man is there to implement it.

    The tax man in Jesus' day was there to raise money to keep the conquering powers in power.

    A very different role.

    The tax men were also there to make a profit for themselves. They paid a set amount and anything above minus expenses they could collect from the populace was theirs, aka tax farming. There is a reason the tax farmers in 18th century France were so detested.
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Here's one from my "thought they were already dead" list:
    One of the most notorious spies in United States history, responsible for the arrest and eventual execution of numerous Soviet and Russian officials secretly working on behalf of the US intelligence community, has died at the age of 84.

    Aldrich Ames, a former CIA case officer arrested by the FBI in 1994 and sentenced to life in prison for espionage, died in custody on Monday, according to a spokesperson for the US Bureau of Prisons
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