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  • JonahManJonahMan Shipmate
    Given that Henry Kissinger won it after attempting to bomb Vietnam into the stone age I doubt that would actually be an issue.
  • Stercus TauriStercus Tauri Shipmate
    edited October 9
    Which led Tom Lehrer to say that satire died that day.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    No, and I doubt the Nobel committee will even consider him
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    edited October 9
    I could see an argument for awarding it, but with the caveat that obviously if the peace doesn't hold they'll have to take it away again. Logic being Trump wouldn't want to lose it and therefore etc

    Though obviously that is not the avowed purpose of the award.
  • ArielAriel Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Nominations themselves aren't very significant. But I don't know if someone can nominate him again specifically with reference to Israel/Hamas. If so, yeah, someone will probably do it, but it's the Academy that makes the decisions.
    The decision is made by the five-member Norwegian Nobel Committee, which is appointed by the Norwegian Parliament (the Storting). Nominations are only received from those specified by the Nobel Foundation as eligible to make nominations. But eligible nominees include members of governments or legislatures, so yeah, someone in that category certainly will nominate him.

    Trump was nominated in 2016, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2020, 2022, 2024 and 2025.

    Yes, Trump is on it, nominated by Netanyahu, the Government of Pakistan, someone from a US Law School, Buddy Carter, and the Government of Cambodia.

    Elon Musk has also been nominated.

    This isn't the full list because they keep that secret, but you can read about the nominations that are known, here.

  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Ariel wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Nominations themselves aren't very significant. But I don't know if someone can nominate him again specifically with reference to Israel/Hamas. If so, yeah, someone will probably do it, but it's the Academy that makes the decisions.
    The decision is made by the five-member Norwegian Nobel Committee, which is appointed by the Norwegian Parliament (the Storting). Nominations are only received from those specified by the Nobel Foundation as eligible to make nominations. But eligible nominees include members of governments or legislatures, so yeah, someone in that category certainly will nominate him.

    Trump was nominated in 2016, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2020, 2022, 2024 and 2025.

    Yes, Trump is on it, nominated by Netanyahu, the Government of Pakistan, someone from a US Law School, Buddy Carter, and the Government of Cambodia.

    Elon Musk has also been nominated.

    This isn't the full list because they keep that secret, but you can read about the nominations that are known, here.

    If they really wanna flip the bird to Trump, they should give it to the January 6th Committee.
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    I could see an argument for awarding it, but with the caveat that obviously if the peace doesn't hold they'll have to take it away again.

    In order for the peace to hold it would first have to exist. Everything about this peace agreement is very vague so far. Hostages and prisoners released, but when? Trump says Monday, but Trump is not in possession of either hostages or prisoners. Will displaced Gazans be allowed to return to what's left of their homes? Reply hazy, try again. If Israel is withdrawing most of its troops from Gaza, what does "most" mean? Is there any provision to rebuild Gaza? Not in any account I've seen so far.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    @Nick Tamen I had been meaning to ask you. We had discussed whether the DOJ may get sanctioned. I think you said not likely the department, but individual lawyers from the department may get sanctioned. Correct?

    Going back to the temporary restraining order from the federal judge in Portland, blocking the use of federalized Oregon NG troops for the time being, the Trump administration tried to get around that by sending in California troops that had already been federalized. The judge apparently got very ticked off at the government lawyer asking him what part of no does the government not understand.

    I have seen reports of that exchange, but only through secondary sources. I would like to see the full transcript of that conversation. Is there a way I can review it? I would assume it is a part of the public record.
  • ArielAriel Shipmate
    Crœsos wrote: »
    I could see an argument for awarding it, but with the caveat that obviously if the peace doesn't hold they'll have to take it away again.

    In order for the peace to hold it would first have to exist. Everything about this peace agreement is very vague so far. Hostages and prisoners released, but when? Trump says Monday, but Trump is not in possession of either hostages or prisoners. Will displaced Gazans be allowed to return to what's left of their homes? Reply hazy, try again. If Israel is withdrawing most of its troops from Gaza, what does "most" mean? Is there any provision to rebuild Gaza? Not in any account I've seen so far.

    Plenty of room for interpretation here, indeed. And who's going to be funding the rebuilding? Whoever funds it is likely to call the shots. We could still be looking at that resort that was floated earlier, rather than restoring the houses, schools and hospitals that have been lost.

    The fine detail will no doubt be haggled over and prove sticking points in the time to come, but hopefully the people of Gaza will have a better night than they did last night.
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    @Nick Tamen I had been meaning to ask you. We had discussed whether the DOJ may get sanctioned. I think you said not likely the department, but individual lawyers from the department may get sanctioned. Correct?
    No, not quite correct.

    I was responding to your statement that sanctions against the lawyers and/or USDOJ “will likely happen if the DOJ keeps coming up with these revenge cases [like the case against Comey] until a court will say enough. It will likely come through the Virginia Federal District Court, since most of those indictments will be entered there, IMHO.”


    What I said was “I see no reason to assume that sanctioning the lawyers (or DOJ) is ‘likely’ to happen soon, much less in Virginia, where the indictment(s) came from the grand jury. It could happen, but I definitely wouldn’t bet on it.”

    I was saying that I thought your prediction that sanctions were “likely” in the Comey case was an overly optimistic prediction.

    Going back to the temporary restraining order from the federal judge in Portland, blocking the use of federalized Oregon NG troops for the time being, the Trump administration tried to get around that by sending in California troops that had already been federalized. The judge apparently got very ticked off at the government lawyer asking him what part of no does the government not understand.

    I have seen reports of that exchange, but only through secondary sources. I would like to see the full transcript of that conversation. Is there a way I can review it? I would assume it is a part of the public record.
    Is this what you’re looking for?



  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    @Nick Tamen I had been meaning to ask you. We had discussed whether the DOJ may get sanctioned. I think you said not likely the department, but individual lawyers from the department may get sanctioned. Correct?
    No, not quite correct.

    I was responding to your statement that sanctions against the lawyers and/or USDOJ “will likely happen if the DOJ keeps coming up with these revenge cases [like the case against Comey] until a court will say enough. It will likely come through the Virginia Federal District Court, since most of those indictments will be entered there, IMHO.”


    What I said was “I see no reason to assume that sanctioning the lawyers (or DOJ) is ‘likely’ to happen soon, much less in Virginia, where the indictment(s) came from the grand jury. It could happen, but I definitely wouldn’t bet on it.”

    I was saying that I thought your prediction that sanctions were “likely” in the Comey case was an overly optimistic prediction.

    Going back to the temporary restraining order from the federal judge in Portland, blocking the use of federalized Oregon NG troops for the time being, the Trump administration tried to get around that by sending in California troops that had already been federalized. The judge apparently got very ticked off at the government lawyer asking him what part of no does the government not understand.

    I have seen reports of that exchange, but only through secondary sources. I would like to see the full transcript of that conversation. Is there a way I can review it? I would assume it is a part of the public record.
    Is this what you’re looking for?



    Yes, thank you.

    Now, if the President invokes the Insurrection Act, is there any judicial recourse? I note Gov Pritzker of Illinois says all of this federalizing of the NG is a lead up to the midterm elections in which Trump will declare the election under threat so he can send the Guard in to Polling Stations and Counting Centers to seize the ballots and declare the vote null and void.

    We seem to have some very dark days ahead.
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    Now, if the President invokes the Insurrection Act, is there any judicial recourse?
    I know of no reason that appropriate persons with standing could not sue. Whether they would be successful can’t be answered in the abstract.


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