People who judge what other's are eating.

Graven ImageGraven Image Shipmate
I have a medical condition that restricts what I can eat. Most things in restaurants and potlucks are off limits for me. I enjoy the company and social aspect of meals, so I occasionally enjoy going out to eat. I will order just a salad, or take tiny portions at a potluck, or being a dish to share that I can eat and only take that. It seems someone aways says things like, "Is that all you are going to eat? Are you on a diet? Don't you eat meat? I do not care to expain my medical history, so I just say I have eaten and just came for the company. When I say that sometimes people will say, "If you knew you were going to be eating here why did you already eat?" I wish I had some better answer, but what I really wish is people would not question my food choices.

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  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited June 29
    It amazes me how many people do not recognize how rude they are being by asking questions like that or by making comments about what someone else is or isn’t eating. I think completely ignoring the question or comment and changing the subject is a perfectly reasonable response.

    I also think “why are you concerned about what I’m eating?” or “why are you paying attention to my plate?” are reasonable, as is “that’s really no one’s business but mine.” Frankly, I might be tempted to say “that’s actually a pretty rude question.” (And then change the subject.) I can understand, though, if someone doesn’t want to respond that pointedly.

    But someone else’s rude question or comment doesn’t require any response, much less a polite response, from you.


  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Because of a liver condition, I can no longer drink alcohol. I used to hate it when the wait staff would ask me what I am drinking, and I would pass. Now, sometime during the end of the event, I will ask to talk to the bar manager and challenge them to consider providing a wider variety of non-alcohol spirits. Seems like more and more bars are providing something more than Shirley Temples.
  • Graven ImageGraven Image Shipmate
    edited June 29
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Because of a liver condition, I can no longer drink alcohol. I used to hate it when the wait staff would ask me what I am drinking, and I would pass. Now, sometime during the end of the event, I will ask to talk to the bar manager and challenge them to consider providing a wider variety of non-alcohol spirits. Seems like more and more bars are providing something more than Shirley Temples.

    I have also noticed an increase in mocktails on offer. A welcome sign. I had one that was watermelon juice and mint not too long ago, very nice.

  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Because of a liver condition, I can no longer drink alcohol. I used to hate it when the wait staff would ask me what I am drinking, and I would pass. Now, sometime during the end of the event, I will ask to talk to the bar manager and challenge them to consider providing a wider variety of non-alcohol spirits. Seems like more and more bars are providing something more than Shirley Temples.

    Yes, mocktails are really taking off, I’ve noticed!
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    You could just say, it’s a medical thing, I don’t really want to talk about it.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Tell them to go away and read Romans 14.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    edited June 29
    It is worth mentioning, that it may be a clumsily expressed indication of care or concern. A version of, you’re not eating - I hope you are ok ?

    In the same vein, they may be hoping to find something you can eat despite your hypothetical diet/veganism/gluten intolerance by way of being hospitable.

    When I invite people over I generally ask people if there is any thing they don’t eat (regardless of reason) - some people don’t eat xyz but don’t tell you because they don’t anticipate you’ll serve it or “didn’t want to be any trouble”. This is actually more of an issue that someone giving you a list of 16 things they don’t eat - cos with a list you can just google a recipe.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Most pubs over here will just assume your driving if you have none alcoholic stuff. It is perfectly normal. As a chef I never judge what others eat. There are so many different faith group, people who who are vegan or vegetarians or people who cannot eat certain foods I have to deal with that I am programmed to automatically ask any one we ask over to dinner.
  • When I was younger my mother was always asking me what was wrong if I refused a third piece of cake.
  • finelinefineline Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    I think this is especially common if you are female, and as Doublethink says, it can be a clumsy expression of care. I used to be very thin, and although I ate plenty, I have never liked cake or shop-bought biscuits, and many people would think I was just being polite when I declined them, and they would often comment I was far too thin and needed to eat cake, and they would be quite pushy with it!

    Also, looking back, I wouldn't eat much when I was out with others, because I would feel anxious and this took away my appetite. People would often comment on how little I was eating and try to get me to eat more. When I developed in confidence, I would then eat a lot, and people would comment on how much I ate!

    I do think part of it is an ingrained societal attention on women's bodies. You're scrutinised and criticised as being too thin or too fat, eating not enough or too much.

    My dad, on the other hand, eats one meal a day in the evening, he explains this when out with people for lunch, and people are fine with it. There is never any pushing or criticism.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    It is worth mentioning, that it may be a clumsily expressed indication of care or concern. A version of, you’re not eating - I hope you are ok ?

    In the same vein, they may be hoping to find something you can eat despite your hypothetical diet/veganism/gluten intolerance by way of being hospitable.
    Yes, I would assume that the vast majority of the time, such comments are well-intentioned. That doesn’t make them less rude, or potentially harmful.

    I will admit I come at this from the perspective of having a close family member with an eating disorder. (In recovery for around 4 years now.) For people with eating disorders, comments on what they are or aren’t eating, however well-intentioned, can be very problematic.

    While I know it’s metaphorical, I find the Orthodox saying helpful: “Keep your eyes on your own plate.” You never know how your well-intentioned inquiry might pick at someone else’s scabs.


  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    As a guy on the large size I get comments about that. The pressures that women face over weight and looks are being aimed at men as well. Not as much but it is happening more often than it was.
  • Tell them to go away and read Romans 14.

    Good One. :smiley:
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I agree with Doublethink - if I'm feeding anyone new I'll always ask beforehand "is there anything you can't, don't, or would rather not eat?" No need to ask why, just so I'd know what to avoid.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    The thing that really bugs me is people insulting others with lines like "palate of a five year old" for not liking something. I mean, what do they expect to achieve? That someone can make themselves like something they don't?
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    KarlLB wrote: »
    The thing that really bugs me is people insulting others with lines like "palate of a five year old" for not liking something. I mean, what do they expect to achieve? That someone can make themselves like something they don't?

    It's just self-congratulatory preening.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Why do people feel the need to comment at all?
    None of their sodding business.
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Nick Tamen wrote: »

    I will admit I come at this from the perspective of having a close family member with an eating disorder. (In recovery for around 4 years now.) For people with eating disorders, comments on what they are or aren’t eating, however well-intentioned, can be very problematic.

    While I know it’s metaphorical, I find the Orthodox saying helpful: “Keep your eyes on your own plate.” You never know how your well-intentioned inquiry might pick at someone else’s scabs.


    This resonated with me in quite a complicated way, @Nick Tamen . When I was growing up, us children were expected to finish what was on our plates at family meals. I was fairly compliant, feeling I had no choice in the matter. A sibling would sit and play with her food, move vegetables or rice around on her plate, hide peas under her knife, pretend to have eaten when she had not touched her meal at all. She was often criticised as a picky eater or spoilt, compared to me, the Good Daughter, who ate whatever was in front of me. I couldn't understand what my sibling was doing or her intense anxiety at mealtimes, developed a habit of trying to spot patterns (she hated yellow vegetables) and in later life would catch myself watching people who ate very little. Not to cause them embarrassment but because I was continuing a childhood habit of wanting to help a sibling, trying to understand what was going on inside her distress and avoidance.

    My sibling has been diagnosed with a rare phobia or eating disorder called ARFID, Avoidant Restrictive Food Intake Disorder, characterised by an irrational and overwhelming fear of swallowing mouthfuls of food, fear of certain colours, textures, shapes, smells, sizes, tastes in food, fear of stomach pain or poisoning. Her phobia has nothing to do with body weight or controlling the amount of food eaten. She has struggled to eat enough to keep herself alive for most of her adult life. ARFID often manifests in childhood but is as recalcitrant to treatment as are several other so-called eating disorders.

    Over the years I have come to understand my (intrusive and inappropriate) preoccupation with others not eating at meals goes back to our family conflicts at mealtimes. I now don't pay any attention to what others eat and have to focus hard to work out what I want to eat as opposed to just eating what others order or what is placed in front of me. Sometimes nosiness or excessive concern is just rudeness but sometimes it comes from a misplaced and unresolved old trauma. For the person on the receiving end, though, it is unwarranted rudeness.
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Oops, not a very hellish post. Hosts, feel free to delete...
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Because of a liver condition, I can no longer drink alcohol. I used to hate it when the wait staff would ask me what I am drinking, and I would pass. Now, sometime during the end of the event, I will ask to talk to the bar manager and challenge them to consider providing a wider variety of non-alcohol spirits. Seems like more and more bars are providing something more than Shirley Temples.

    Can we ask what it was that you'd pass, and where?
  • NenyaNenya All Saints Host, Ecclesiantics & MW Host
    MaryLouise wrote: »
    Oops, not a very hellish post.

    A very interesting one, though. Thank you.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Gee D wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Because of a liver condition, I can no longer drink alcohol. I used to hate it when the wait staff would ask me what I am drinking, and I would pass. Now, sometime during the end of the event, I will ask to talk to the bar manager and challenge them to consider providing a wider variety of non-alcohol spirits. Seems like more and more bars are providing something more than Shirley Temples.

    Can we ask what it was that you'd pass, and where?

    You're really not familiar with the locution 'Pass' meaning no, or not at the moment? How do you manage to play Bridge?
  • HarryCHHarryCH Shipmate
    In passing: I think five-year-olds can be very fussy about food.
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I also think “why are you concerned about what I’m eating?” or “why are you paying attention to my plate?” are reasonable, as is “that’s really no one’s business but mine.” Frankly, I might be tempted to say “that’s actually a pretty rude question.” (And then change the subject.) I can understand, though, if someone doesn’t want to respond that pointedly.

    If I am hosting you, I feel responsible for providing adequately for you. If the food is not to your taste, or if you have dietary restrictions that I didn't know about, I want to know, so I can make other arrangements for you.

    And if you work for or with me, and aren't eating at a communal potluck because there's nothing there that you can eat, that's a problem. I want to know, so I can fix it for next time, even if there's not much I can do about it now.
  • The concern can be phrased intrusively, or not. "Is there anything I could do for you?" is okay by me. But if people won't take "Everything's fine" for an answer, well...
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited June 30
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I also think “why are you concerned about what I’m eating?” or “why are you paying attention to my plate?” are reasonable, as is “that’s really no one’s business but mine.” Frankly, I might be tempted to say “that’s actually a pretty rude question.” (And then change the subject.) I can understand, though, if someone doesn’t want to respond that pointedly.

    If I am hosting you, I feel responsible for providing adequately for you. If the food is not to your taste, or if you have dietary restrictions that I didn't know about, I want to know, so I can make other arrangements for you.

    And if you work for or with me, and aren't eating at a communal potluck because there's nothing there that you can eat, that's a problem. I want to know, so I can fix it for next time, even if there's not much I can do about it now.
    I think that’s true. And like others here, we always make sure we’ve checked with guests about dietary needs and preferences.

    But that’s not the scenario in the OP. The scenario in the OP is random dining companions making comments about what is or isn’t on your plate. And as far as I’m concerned, that’s almost always rude.

    If your concern is that of a host or employer, there are ways to inquire appropriately. And “appropriately” is almost always going to mean not in front of other people, not during the meal (unless perhaps as a host you’re inquiring whether something could be provided, but again, not in front of others or in a way that draws attention) and in a way that’s completely free of judgment and conveys that the question is motivated only by a desire to be hospitable.

    And as @Lamb Chopped says, accept the answer given.


    @MaryLouise, thank you for sharing your story.

  • The5thMaryThe5thMary Shipmate
    Hi, everybody! I have been in awful health for close to two years now and haven’t had the bandwidth to even return to these forums. However! A caregiver will be here today to take me and my wheelchair out to do chores and of course, when I should be sleeping, I’m wide awake! Such is life.

    Well! I finally found out why I was vomiting all the time and could barely eat more than two bites of any kind of food…non-alcoholic liver cirrhosis. Lovely, innit?

    Sorry! I’ve been binge-watching all these television shows that take place in England and certain phrases just make me laugh. “Innit” being one of them. However! I digress.

    I lost about 100 pounds in seven months. My face is skeletal. But my stomach is still very big…when my abdomen fills with fluid and I have to go to Outpatient Care and have it drained.

    Strangers seem perfectly happy to comment on my face and belly. Or to say incredibly rude things such as, “Oh, I’m being prescribed Ozempic for my weight problem! Have you tried it?” I usually just stare at them and say, “Uh, no, no I haven’t. I lost most of my weight because I was so sick I couldn’t eat a stupid piece of toast without throwing up. But thanks for making me aware of YOUR weight struggles!” And then I also get crap from acquaintances in my building who are not entirely burdened with tact. “Why aren’t you eating any of those hamburgers? We’re having a cookout! You don’t eat any sweets anymore? You used to go crazy for cake and cookies!” Sigh. Cake? Not really. I haven’t liked cake for about fifteen years now. Cookies? No point. Candy? I was addicted to sugar but that was “cured” by my liver/gut problems. I honestly don’t even think about getting a sugary treat every day as I used to. I DID have a huckleberry banana split on June 18 (my birthday) and thoroughly enjoyed it. But I didn’t want anything else sweet for about six days after that. So, hooray!

    I’ll shut my yap after I crow about my new A1C. It is now 4.7 and I’m not taking insulin anymore and my oral diabetes med has been reduced from 1000mg/daily to just 500mg. So, that’s the really good news.

    My belly is looking like I swallowed a small basketball, so I will probably have my abdomen drained next week. Isn’t life fun??!

    She asked, sarcastically.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    edited July 3
    I've lost two stone in the last twelve months. I am now a healthy weight.

    The number of people who tried to get me having biscuits and cakes, because they were having one, surprised me. "One won't hurt, you can be too skinny you know."

    I always answered the same - " Yes, but my knees are saying thank you thank you, thank you".

    That shuts them up, they usually reply with something like 'ah, OK' and change the subject.
  • Lamb ChoppedLamb Chopped Shipmate
    Anything that shuts such people up is a gift, thank you.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    @The5thMary. Hello! I too have nonalcoholic liver cirrhosis. About three years ago, during a routine exam, I was told my liver was enlarged and they wanted a liver scan. Well, it showed the cirrhosis. I immediately lost weight too. Am feeling much better. Just had another liver scan two weeks ago, no significant changes for me. Will have a GI exam toward the end of July. If that is clear, the doctor may push the next one out a couple of years. Talk about learning to live differently, though.
  • Graven ImageGraven Image Shipmate
    @The5thMary So sorry about your illness, but I also smiled to see your name. I have missed you on the ship. My prayers for you ascend.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    @The5thMary So sorry about your illness, but I also smiled to see your name. I have missed you on the ship. My prayers for you ascend.
    Same here, on all points!


  • MaryLouise wrote: »
    Oops, not a very hellish post. Hosts, feel free to delete...

    And/or get rid of the title possessive apostrophe!
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