AS: Sturgeon and Chips: the Scottish thread 2020

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  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited August 2020
    Alas, the train derailment near Stonehaven has resulted in at least 3 deaths:
    https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-53751678
  • Having seen the pictures on the BBC website I'm amazed it's not a higher figure.
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    Aberdeen is in lockdown and people are not allowed to leave unless for work, or other specific purposes. Therefore the train carried far fewer passengers than it would normally.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Aberdeen is in lockdown and people are not allowed to leave unless for work, or other specific purposes. Therefore the train carried far fewer passengers than it would normally.

    Probably another 20-odd lives by lockdown.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Firenze wrote: »
    South Edinburgh fine 'net wise ...
    Not so this bit of Midlothian - we had no interweb until well into the afternoon.

    It was quite some storm though - S. and I spent over an hour standing in the front porch watching it and putting the world to rights - it was the longest thunderstorm I've ever seen.
  • Pendragon wrote: »
    Having seen the pictures on the BBC website I'm amazed it's not a higher figure.

    The vehicles were possibly upwards of 40 years old (HSTs), and they were built very strongly. It happened at a place I know fairly well, and it's not hard to imagine the difficulty of reaching it and caring for the people, especially in these conditions.
  • Indeed.

    Early to say, of course, but it looked to me as though the way the coaches were scattered about at odd angles was the result of a (sort of) irresistible force - the train - meeting a (sort of) immovable object - a landslip.

    Those HSTs were some of the best diesel units ever built in this or any other country. Money well spent.
  • Just heard from a former friend (he was a friend until this afternoon) who took the trouble to e-mail me while he was enjoying a pint in the Conan Doyle in Edinburgh. Canada is still on the undesirable list, so I still can't get back without being sequestered for two weeks. This thing is not getting any better, and now we'll be quarantined for two weeks here after my wife gets back from trumpland on Sunday.
  • LouiseLouise Epiphanies Host
    Storm was impressive here and temporarily put out the internet ordering of the famous local chip shop. But it's so sad to see the big human cost of things like the train disaster.
  • Pendragon wrote: »
    Having seen the pictures on the BBC website I'm amazed it's not a higher figure.

    The vehicles were possibly upwards of 40 years old (HSTs), and they were built very strongly. It happened at a place I know fairly well, and it's not hard to imagine the difficulty of reaching it and caring for the people, especially in these conditions.

    Looking at the images, it was a short-consist HST made up of rollingstock cascaded from the East Coast Main Line and refurbished in the last twelve months or so, especially to upgrade ScotRail services.
  • /tangent alert/

    Some similar HSTs were built for use in Australia, IIRC...

    Back to Scotland, where sudden storms and floods have been a feature of railway operation since the earliest days. L T C Rolt, in his classic book Red for Danger, describes a number of these, and it all goes to show that, no matter how careful we are about building trains, and operating railways, in the safest manner possible, we can't always defeat the forces of nature.

    Whether global warming and climate change have anything to do with it is a matter of conjecture.

    None of which, of course, is of any comfort to those affected by such disasters.
    <votives>
  • /tangent alert/

    Some similar HSTs were built for use in Australia, IIRC...

    And still clocking up hundreds of thousands of kilometres per year, almost four decades later, but due to be replaced in the next couple of years by a bi-mode diesel-electric model from CAF in Spain.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    A dawnless morning (I've been up since 5 am's how I know), louring skies, fidgeting trees, rain-splattered windows and a storm coming up from Galloway. And it's still August.

    I doubt the wee plastic tents over the outdoor tables I saw outside a cafe will stand it.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Storm and heavy rain here in Galloway since the early hours.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited August 2020
    Storm Francis, I guess. We have him down here in Kent...but probably not quite so severely as on the western side of the country...
    :fearful:
  • JapesJapes Shipmate
    edited August 2020
    Definitely stormy here in the Rhins of Galloway! (Here for a week, having been on the Black Isle last week. All pre-booked well before 2020 and totally grateful it's been able to go ahead.) Been very, very careful to avoid possible crowded places, excess people, comply with all instructions and be very friendly was well as doing our best to support local economy. Then get away to lonely isolated walking places - safely.

    Only bad experiences have been in a supermarket queue for tills with an unmasked (I am charitably assuming for medical reasons) very cross local who was of the opinion that it was all nonsense and I had no need to ask for distance to be maintained after the trolley had been banged into me for the 4th time. I pointed out I was protecting them from the fact I may still be asymptomatic...

    Other than that, I have been thoroughly reminded I am just a much nicer person all round in Scotland (not just when I'm on holiday and relaxing) and maybe moving home when it's possible is not such a silly idea after all.
  • Gorgeous sunrise here today, but I knew that would be the best of it - and the rain is just about to arrive. But no wind at all yet.
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    edited August 2020
    It's been raining steadily here since 9am. Just as well I got the grass cut yesterday.

    I can't go out anyway, because the North East Man is on a lengthy Zoom meeting in the room where my clothes are...
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    (N.B. When I say I'm not wearing clothes, I mean - I'm still in PJs, slippers and dressing gown.)
  • You could be that wife in the Zoom meeting who looms nekkid into the background mouthing "Where are my clothes?"!!
  • Ethne AlbaEthne Alba Shipmate
    edited August 2020
    😅
    And for that reason this household doesn’t Zoom!





    Just nipped out to batten down the hatches in our garden.

    Random bits of weed membrane and plastic pots, are all removed.
    Sunflowers, tomatoes and climbing squash staked.
    Chairs and tables removed to safe place.

    Quick prayer over the lot then inside again.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Perhaps you could crawl in below camera level. Then all that would be visible would be wardrobe doors opening of their own accord, maybe a coat hanger mysteriously hooking on to a drawer to pull it open. Then a fishing line hovering over the contents before whisking a pair of knickers off to the side.

    I'm sure it would add greatly to the interest of the other participants.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Just tell NEM to put a background on.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    The weather here is indeed dreich and unAugustan, so Indoor Things are being done, like applying for (more) jobs and cleaning the downstairs loo.

    What an exciting life I lead! :mrgreen:
    Storm Francis, I guess. We have him down here in Kent...:fearful:
    Didn't we have a Storm Francis last year? Can't they find some new names?
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    edited August 2020
    The meeting finished at 12 - I am fully dressed!

    It's still raining heavily. The cat has asked out three times, and each time as soon as the door is opened she looks at the rain and retreats.
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    I'm having a very mixed day here. A long-term project is reaching a milestone tomorrow, so I'm happily working on that, but at the same time a Difficult Relative is messaging me random insults. (This is the Difficult Relative who holds a grudge that we didn't leave the Church of Scotland when she did. She holds many such grudges.)
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Block DR. Nothing in mere propinquity of blood obliges you to put up with insults.
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    It's tiresome, but I don't care enough about her opinion to be bothered. I am worried that the isolation of the last few months hasn't been good for her mental health. I don't want to block her - I want to keep the line of communication open. Ideally, I'd prefer if we just exchanged cat photos and comments on the weather.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Piglet wrote: »
    The weather here is indeed dreich and unAugustan…
    Hmm. Have just been reading biography of Sir Walter Scott (Carola Oman) talking of him returning to Abbotsford in time for the Lammas floods!
  • Ethne AlbaEthne Alba Shipmate
    edited August 2020
    Casually wondering about @North East Quine ’s cat’s bladder.....?!
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    We've been anxiously wondering about that too, but no wet patches on the carpet (not that we've found...)
  • My sister, who phoned last night, said that her cat had put his nose through the cat flap three times but declined to go out, so "is just crossing his legs". I said I hoped that worked well for bot of them!
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    The poor beast doesn't have Indoor Facilities?
  • No pampered cats in our family - they do not live en-suite!
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    Elizabeth has two indoor litter trays, but prefers our garden. However, she does seem to have used the litter trays yesterday.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited August 2020
    For which relief, much thanks (from Cat and from Humans)!

  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    I had a very vivid, realistic, dream last night, which felt as though I was in somewhere familiar.

    I was in a second hand bookshop, which had been created from two or three single story old houses in a row. Inside was a maze of rooms, with a step or two going up or down between rooms. The doors were low - fine for me at 5ft 5, but tall people were having to duck. There was a light and airy cafe extension at the back.

    Nothing happened in the dream, I just wandered round, then had soup, cake (lemon drizzle) and coffee in the cafe with my family.

    Does anyone recognise this bookshop? We were in Wigtown a few years ago, so it might have been there.

    (My husband thinks I've created a mash-up of several different places.)
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    I don't know the place, but it does sound like something akin to heaven.
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    I've been in a few book shops like that, ones in Hay-on Wye and Arundel spring to mind, but neither had a café. If you remember where it is, let us know, I'd love to visit.
  • Carlisle is the nearest I can come to it....

    But as far as I can recall, the doorways were a normal height
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    I haven't been to Arundel or Hay-on-Wye, and I haven't been to any bookshops in Carlisle.

    It felt like somewhere I had visited with my family, and the last time I was in England with my family was London about 12 years ago. Since then, I've only been in England for conferences, meetings, or passing through Heathrow.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    The main bookshop in Wigtown is a bit like that with a ‘garden room’ at the back, though I don’t remember them serving refreshments. The general description might fit more than one of the bookshops in Wigtown.
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    Perhaps it's a combination of bookshops. It was such a vivid dream; when I woke up it felt more as though I'd been remembering than dreaming.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited August 2020
    It certainly sounds heavenly (except perhaps for Tall People...).

    Was it the final pre-waking dream? It often seems to be the most vivid (or at least the one best remembered).
  • Ethne AlbaEthne Alba Shipmate
    edited August 2020
    I think anyone who enjoys reading ( and eating great food!) might appreciate that bookshop in Carlisle.
    Istr it is called ‘the bookcase‘

    It is within walking distance of the railway station and the sole reason why I prefer to stop off there when travelling. Especially while using my free travel card which helpfully includes Carlisle.

    When this is all over, / is returned to a state where one can do such things ....I shall book a room for a few days in Carlisle and will be able to be found somewhere in The Bookcase’s Over Thirty Rooms!

    It also sells a good selection of sheet music. One more reason to make time for Carlisle.

    As if this isn’t enough, the cathedral’s new coffee shop has opened





    In case anyone hasn’t realised by now, I am really missing travelling around with Scotland’s national entitlement card😅
  • In fact...... I could happily spend all winter planning next years trips out
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Sounds a bit like the bookshop in Carnforth but that didn't have a cafe last I checked. I do, however, recommend the bookshop if you're ever in the area.
  • IIRC, the one in Carnforth is/was on several floors...but yes, highly recommended.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    I think it's the Ideal Bookshop of the Mind.

    Finding new rooms a common motif in dreams. The other night I was back in the house where I lived aged 6 to 10. The top floor had multiplied, and even acquired a roof terrace. But could only be accessed via a perilously teetering ladder.
  • Scots LassScots Lass Shipmate Posts: 17
    It makes me think of the upstairs of Thin's in Edinburgh (now Blackwell's) and the old Thin's in Inverness, which had multiple levels and was more than one shop knocked together. Although neither of those had cafes when I frequented them. I want to go!
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