Today I Consign To Hell -the All Saints version

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  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    Yay Captain Pyjamas. Teeth and moving independently - there will be no stopping him. :smiley:
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host, Glory
    Well, that's not happening. The police are involved. She has a cracked rib. Shit's (maybe) gonna get real.
    Please keep us apprised.

  • Hugs and prayers for Mr Lamb who had to deal with this in person. I am sure it must be distressful.
  • TICTH Boris Johnson, David Cameron and the rest for the Garden Bridge fiasco. May they pay back the shortfall from their own pockets. Every lousy penny.
  • With interest. Especially as this was originally supposed to be paid for without any money from the public purse. Did this cash come just from London ratepayers or from all of us? And can I get paid just 1% of that whenever I fail to deliver on something I've promised?
  • With interest. Especially as this was originally supposed to be paid for without any money from the public purse. Did this cash come just from London ratepayers or from all of us? And can I get paid just 1% of that whenever I fail to deliver on something I've promised?

    £30million from TfL, £30million from the Department of Transport. The latter is a department of central government, the former is under the Mayor's umbrella. Cameron ignored the advice of civil servants, not for the first time, but ministers do that day in, day out. Bojo OTOH ignores anyone and anything contrary to his own fantasy world.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited February 2019
    Ha! Welcome to Ukland PLC 2019!

    If the 'management' (I use the term loosely) can shaft you, it will.
  • Maybe they can get Mexico to pay for it.
  • MMMMMM Shipmate
    Migraines. I haven’t had one for - what? 5, 10 years? - and get one at a rather lovely dinner.

    A bit ropey and washed out this morning but I’ve never suffered really badly like some people do.

    MMM
  • Oh dear. A former boss used to get them regularly. While I can't understand what they are like to experience, seeing the impact it had on her was telling.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate, Glory
    {{{{{{{All migraine sufferers.}}}}}}}

    I get them, too.
  • The rider of the horse which has dented my driver's door, for steering too close as I pulled in to the side of the lane and was going very very slowly. She only gave me her first name and mobile number, but claims she has insurance. It also broke the wing mirror, but Skoda has brilliant wing mirrors that fit back together easy peasy. Seeing a hoof in angry mode right beside one's face is not nice.
    I'm not sure about her name - what horsy person would call their daughter Jade?
    And why aren't these horsy people working instead of filling the lanes up?
  • Were they Scottish by any chance? I ask because Scotland seem to be on half-term just now. England is next week and Wales is ion a fortnight!
  • Penny S wrote: »
    The rider of the horse which has dented my driver's door, for steering too close as I pulled in to the side of the lane and was going very very slowly. She only gave me her first name and mobile number, but claims she has insurance. It also broke the wing mirror, but Skoda has brilliant wing mirrors that fit back together easy peasy. Seeing a hoof in angry mode right beside one's face is not nice.
    I'm not sure about her name - what horsy person would call their daughter Jade?
    And why aren't these horsy people working instead of filling the lanes up?

    Were you moving towards the horse by any chance? I don't understand your statement that the rider was "steering too close as I pulled in to the side of the lane.

    btw, "ordinary people" ride horses too.
  • My impression is that Penny S pulled into the side of the road to allow the horse (possibly trotting?) to overtake, which is why it collided with the driver's door....

    Surely the rider should have left her full name and address, though, as one is supposed to do in cases of accidents on the road.
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    edited February 2019
    I was pulling in to the side of the lane and in the process of becoming stationary. The horse was walking towards me, and, I believe, there was enough room for it not to be so close that I had a scary vision of a hoof a few inches from me, accompanied by a cracking noise. It was apparently spooked by a van a bit further down the road.
    This was an adult rider so half term not relevant. And unaccompanied children riding on the roads get me very worried.
    I also posted about this somewhere else, and there, also, it was assumed I was at fault. Odd, that. There are often horses on the lanes round here, and I am always careful to allow a wide berth if passing, or to slow to a stop if oncoming in a narrow lane, or just very slow if a normal road. I know they are not sensible animals. I also realise that there are a lot of idiot drivers who do not take sufficient care of horses or bicycles, so a bit of defensiveness is understandable. But I am not one of those drivers. I have never had a problem with a horse before. I get smiles and waves from the riders. Mostly.
    Skoda bodywork looks pretty strong, though. Nice thought that it can withstand a shod hoof. (£305, including VAT)
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    MMM wrote: »
    Migraines ...
    I used to get clusters of headaches which I'd never really considered as migraines, because there was no facial numbness, flashing lights or lack of co-ordination, but when I described them to my former boss, who was in the research side of healthcare, she reckoned they probably were a form of migraine.

    They would manifest themselves, usually halfway through a normal day, with a thumping headache and a feeling of nausea that never became anything more than a feeling; I used to think that if I could have been sick it would have cleared the headache. If I was very unlucky, they'd put on a repeat performance the following day.

    I remember one particular one being triggered by Youth Dew perfume, with which a colleague had drenched herself at lunchtime: we were going out in the evening for dinner with friends and although I tried, after the first course (which I couldn't eat) I had to get D. to take me home, where the only remedy was a couple more Solpadeine and sleep.

    I hope it's a very long time before you get another one.
  • MMMMMM Shipmate
    Thank you, piglet. I had to leave a perfectly lovely dinner for a leaving colleague at a very nice restaurant.

    MMM
  • Penny S wrote: »
    I was pulling in to the side of the lane and in the process of becoming stationary. The horse was walking towards me, and, I believe, there was enough room for it not to be so close that I had a scary vision of a hoof a few inches from me, accompanied by a cracking noise. It was apparently spooked by a van a bit further down the road.
    This was an adult rider so half term not relevant. And unaccompanied children riding on the roads get me very worried.
    I also posted about this somewhere else, and there, also, it was assumed I was at fault. Odd, that. There are often horses on the lanes round here, and I am always careful to allow a wide berth if passing, or to slow to a stop if oncoming in a narrow lane, or just very slow if a normal road. I know they are not sensible animals. I also realise that there are a lot of idiot drivers who do not take sufficient care of horses or bicycles, so a bit of defensiveness is understandable. But I am not one of those drivers. I have never had a problem with a horse before. I get smiles and waves from the riders. Mostly.
    Skoda bodywork looks pretty strong, though. Nice thought that it can withstand a shod hoof. (£305, including VAT)

    Thanks for the explanation. Agree that horses are not sensible and many are actually a bit mad. Just look in the eyes of a racehorse!

    I'd say the van driver needs calling to Hell. Was it an unmarked white van?
  • sionisais wrote: »
    Penny S wrote: »
    I was pulling in to the side of the lane and in the process of becoming stationary. The horse was walking towards me, and, I believe, there was enough room for it not to be so close that I had a scary vision of a hoof a few inches from me, accompanied by a cracking noise. It was apparently spooked by a van a bit further down the road.
    This was an adult rider so half term not relevant. And unaccompanied children riding on the roads get me very worried.
    I also posted about this somewhere else, and there, also, it was assumed I was at fault. Odd, that. There are often horses on the lanes round here, and I am always careful to allow a wide berth if passing, or to slow to a stop if oncoming in a narrow lane, or just very slow if a normal road. I know they are not sensible animals. I also realise that there are a lot of idiot drivers who do not take sufficient care of horses or bicycles, so a bit of defensiveness is understandable. But I am not one of those drivers. I have never had a problem with a horse before. I get smiles and waves from the riders. Mostly.
    Skoda bodywork looks pretty strong, though. Nice thought that it can withstand a shod hoof. (£305, including VAT)

    Thanks for the explanation. Agree that horses are not sensible and many are actually a bit mad. Just look in the eyes of a racehorse!

    I'd say the van driver needs calling to Hell. Was it an unmarked white van?

    It occurred to me long after posting above that the horse was coming towards Penny's car, as she confirms.

    Alas, modern levels of traffic don't really mix well with horses....


  • MooMoo Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    One of my daughters gets migraine auras, but never an actual migraine.
  • I had five migraines in a row - all on Tuesdays - at the age of 13. Mum took me to the Dr (who was also the Dr of the local RC Boys' Boarding School so knew a bit about teens). I was terrified by them - the suddenness, the pain, the spewing up and the crazy timing.
    This being 1969, people were not as aware of mind-body connections as we are now.
    Poor Mum was no doubt imagining a brain tumor and totally stumped by the Tuesday thing.
    Dear Doctor said to me "Now you don't have to answer me, but can you think of anything that is upsetting you at school on Tuesdays?".
    Well ... we had 2 lessons of music and I just cannot sing and 2 lessons of English with a nearly-pensioned-off mad-man who threw chalk and dusters/erasers with regularity. And one of those lessons always included a test on prescribed chapter of the current reading (a book from the British "high school literature" canon)
    I answered the question mentally and never had another migraine!
    I am so indebted to that man for the help in such horrendous distress as well as a life-long lesson in Mind and Body (which of course I had no idea how to express then but I must have got the gist because they just stopped)
  • @MMM I sympathise - and really sad to miss a meal.

    I get migraines, although I haven't had one for a while - and had a spell of them on the same day for a few months, not weekly because I tend to get longer breaks. I never did find out what caused that outbreak, but do know that I can be triggered by white wine, champagne and very additive heavy food.

    I thought I didn't get any signs, but realised that I get sight disturbances when I was working in a library which had metal grilles on the floor and fluorescent lighting. The flickering lines on the edge of my vision felt just like a migraine coming. If I go and lie down then, I can usually recover in 24 hours If I get a bad one it wipes out three days, one of being thoroughly ill (and sick), a day sleeping it off and a day feeling woozy, so I do my best to avoid triggers.
  • My sympathy to all who suffer migraines. I had them for several years. What helped me was to avoid red wine and cheese. When they came on to take aspirin with a coke or strong coffee, all advice from a pharmacist. A doctor suggested that I try and relax and think about making my hands warm. Sounds silly but it helped. Thankfully I no longer have them, although I do get the vision blurring part now and again. As soon as that happens I lay down and work on warming my hands.
  • MMMMMM Shipmate
    I’ve never identified a trigger, and, as I say, haven’t had one for years.

    I’ve never suffered badly from them and really feel for anyone that does.

    MMM
  • Daughter Erin had cluster migraines while at grammar school so she had a lot of time off. I’m convinced it was caused by dehydration as she was out of the house between 7.30 and 5 and didn’t drink at all between those hours as she didn’t want to use the school toilets. And it was before the days of carrying water with you.
    Once she left school the migraines were much fewer.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited February 2019
    Moo wrote: »
    One of my daughters gets migraine auras, but never an actual migraine.

    I also have had this since adolescence. It comes in waves - twice or three times in a week, then nothing for months.

    Mrs T who is a few years younger than me had her first ever one the other day. I suspect Hormonal Changes.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    I used to have migraines. They got a lot worse and weirder while I was going through menopause - so much so that I was hospitalised with a suspected stroke. My mother's cousin told me that she had a similar experience - which was reassuring.

    Since menopause finished I have not had any.
  • I have had one or two, of the 'wavy lines at the edge of your vision' type, and one which played hell with me - I was trying to proof-read a page of text onscreen, and the letters kept appearing and disappearing.

    I only mention this because when I had my Transient Ischaemic Attack (or mini-stroke) for a long time we all wondered if it was migraine, but the MRI revealed a tiny bleed.

    My son's m-i-l had a migraine so severe that she lost the use of her left arm - you can imagine what everyone thought had happened, @Huia !

    Mrs. S, glad that they seem to have abated
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate, Glory
    I have migraine symptoms most days, varying among pain, visual, neuro, thinking problems, etc.

    Some of it may have started with mid-life hormonal changes, and maybe meds for other things, and stress.

    Reportedly, many migraineurs had motion sickness as kids. I still have it, so it's likely a factor.
  • Had a visual migraine, one where you get the sight interference but no other symptoms, a few months back. Actually, if I was at home relaxing I would just go with it. It is probably the closest I have ever been to an LSD trip with fantastic patterns in purples, greens and silver taking over my vision. However, I was taking a lecture at the time.

    Normal migraines are quite another thing. The worst are the ones where I cannot think coherently enough to think I have a migraine. I have lost days to them and quite often this days have pre-phases and post phases where I am about 80% fit for at least a day either side.
  • The van wasn't doing anything apart from moving along the lane in a normal sort of way. I suspect the horse was remembering another van.

    Migraines - I used to have them in my late 20s. On Saturdays, around the full moon. (Women may suspect another trigger with that frequency.) I found that I could eat triggering foods at other times with no problems. (You wouldn't believe the amount of Marmite I tried.) What I worked out was that during the week I was having a lot of coffee in school breaks, and on Saturdays I was getting up late, not having coffee, and not eating at normal times. I cut the amount of caffeine on school days, had a really good coffee for Saturday breakfast, and ate properly. No more migraines. My mother had reckoned hers stopped when she had me, but mine stopped at about the same age without pregnancy.

    I too had bad travel sickness as a child, and the migraine nausea seems to be very much like that sort of sickness, as opposed to other forms, due to flu, or bad food. For a while I started having travel sickness while driving, a long time after the migraines. I had to carry a plastic container in the car in case it struck while driving somewhere I couldn't stop. Fortunately, that passed.

    And then I started getting aura. It would strike during sunny outdoor PE lessons, initially just a couple of shining pixels for a moment or two. When I mentioned it in the staffroom, one of the TAs knew what it was, which was a relief. Now I just have the occasional event for about 20 minutes. And no headaches or sickness.

    After a member of staff had played the "my migraines are worse than yours" game with me, I had one bout in which my left arm reacted badly, as she described. And after I read about dysphasia, I had an episode in which I could not read properly. This was while in church, at Christmas, during "While shepherds watch", which I know by heart. I couldn't remember it. And I couldn't do the glance down, hold next line in head, look up and sing it thing. I had to put my finger on each word and sing one word at a time. It wore off by the next carol, though. Never happened since.

    Solution. do not access literature on migraine symptoms.
  • HeavenlyannieHeavenlyannie Shipmate
    edited February 2019
    I’m experienced hormonal migraines in my 20s (with vomiting and headaches) and they disappeared by my 30s. now I occasionally get wavy line visual migraines but they don’t last more than half an hour. I also had really bad travel sickness as a child.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    My curse attend multi trade contractors.

    Bad cess in ascending order of malignity to a) the ones who don’t respond at all b) the ones who inspect, seem eager - and then ghost and c) the ones who assure you they quote - apologise for the delay - this week definitely etc etc.


  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited February 2019
    An odd footnote re migraines (pox and bad cess be upon them!).

    I did in earlier times suffer occasionally, and recall two which each lasted about a week - I was Prostrated, as they say in Victorian novels, usually anent the Heroine....

    One began during a church weekend away at Ashburnham Place in Sussex, a well-known venue for Evangelical churches (AFAIK, it's still in operation, and is indeed a lovely place). Anyhow, I was out of action for much of the w/e, lying down in the traditional Darkened Room, which continued for the rest of the week when I got home (I was living with Mum and Dad at the time).

    The oddity lies in a most peculiar article which appeared - entitled 'Headache' - in a subsequent Parish Magazine.

    It was in a form of blank verse, and seemed to portray a parody (it's hard to describe it otherwise) of my feelings and pain during that weekend away, and the subsequent days back home.

    I have no idea who wrote it - it might just have been Me, in a moment of delirium or something - but I think not. That church was of the sort which asserts that a True Christian should never suffer from [delete as appropriate], so let the reader understand.

    IOW, never, ever, treat migraines as trivial.

    They Are Not.

    TICTH, therefore, he/she who wrote that article (as long as it wasn't me).



  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host
    Daughter-Unit started getting complicated migraine with aura when she was about ten years old. The aura symptoms were the same as if she was having a stroke. I want to tell you that I was a terrified Mama.

    One of the drawbacks of her particular migraine is that she can't take the newer meds for it, because of the possibility of having a real stroke. She often has pain for a week or more. When she was a junior in HS, she had one that lasted for more than a month. She was so sick, the school district had to send a private teacher to our home for a few weeks.

    Bless her heart, she still has them, even though she doesn't always have the aura. It makes me very afraid when she has to drive to and from work with a migraine, because if she does have the aura, she'll be unaware of her surroundings sometimes.

    So, I join you in CTH migraine. Big time.
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    Interesting what Golden Key said about many sufferers from migraine also having suffered from travel sickness as a child - that was me, and the migraines started when I was 14.
    These days, I always carry headache pills with me, and take one as soon as the pain starts, which usually gets rid of it. A week or so ago, though, I got the flashing lights and zigzags while walking to work, which I don't usually get. No pain, but it knocked the stuffing out of me for a few days.
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    edited February 2019
    The mother happily smoking away next to her baby, and her friend and her friend's baby.

    And an extra prod with a pitchfork for blowing smoke in all directions, including towards me as I walked past.
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    Golden Key wrote: »
    I have migraine symptoms most days, varying among pain, visual, neuro, thinking problems, etc.

    Some of it may have started with mid-life hormonal changes, and maybe meds for other things, and stress.

    Reportedly, many migraineurs had motion sickness as kids. I still have it, so it's likely a factor.

    Mine went in the opposite direction. I had migraines and motion sickness from age four until my early fifties. The migraines didn't seem to correspond with my menses in any particular way -and of course they wouldn't pre-puberty- but they basically stopped at menopause.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Sodding insomnia. Helped by sinusitis and for some reason, itching on the soles of the feet.
  • Insomnia - to Hell with you, whatever the cause.

    @Firenze, IANAD, but a friend of mine had itching soles, and found that yer basic ornery E45 cream helped to soothe them.
  • The fellow Guide leader who went to training a couple of Saturdays ago with a stinking cold and cough, which was bad enough for her to be off sick the following Monday. And the sinus migraine that took out yesterday and is still lingering today, and the paroxysms of coughing every time I move
  • Itching keeping awake - I get it round my knees, tried E45 Anti-Itch, but had most success with half a cetrizine 24 hr tablet at bedtime.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus

    @Firenze, IANAD, but a friend of mine had itching soles, and found that yer basic ornery E45 cream helped to soothe them.

    I’m well past the E45. I get tubs of oleaginous goop on prescription. But I don’t always remember to grease up like a Channel swimmer before bed.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited February 2019
    Well, at least you have something effective (hopefully) to which to resort in need!

    (BTW, 'oleaginous goop' sounds rather like a clergyman from Trollope's Barchester.

    I present to you the Reverend Oleaginous Goope, a small and very servile edition of - and possibly assistant to - the better-known Reverend Obadiah Slope.)
  • Well, at least you have something effective (hopefully) to which to resort in need!

    (BTW, 'oleaginous goop' sounds rather like a clergyman from Trollope's Barchester.

    I present to you the Reverend Oleaginous Goope, a small and very servile edition of - and possibly assistant to - the better-known Reverend Obadiah Slope.)

    I love it!
    :lol:
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited February 2019
    Prolonging the tangent a little, and with all due respect to @Firenze, and those other Shipmates suffering from irritated feet, he is, obviously, the Perpetual Curate of the parish of All Souls, Itchen.

    I'll get me coat and shovel hat....
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    B F the excursion into Trollope was brilliant - thanks.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited February 2019
    My pleasure. I could develop the theme e.g by positing Rev. Gloope's coming under the influence of the Oxford Movement, in spite of Mr. Slope, but I think the Hostly Powers might jib a bit....

    I really MUST get out more.

  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Meanwhile the itching has backed off - to be replaced by mouth ulcers. Which are, apparently, worsened by stress. Tell me about it.
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