Ship of Fools: Christ Church Cathedral, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


imageShip of Fools: Christ Church Cathedral, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Nothing to write home about – and where was Dustin Hoffman?

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  • I only dimly recall The Graduate which I saw several decades ago. So would some kind soul explain that last remark to me.
  • From the *Church Info* bit (whose link you need to click on in order to read):

    There are large glass windows looking into the chapel that reminded me of the church windows in the wedding scene toward the end of the classic Dustin Hoffman film The Graduate.

    Does that help?

    The location of the chapel must be fairly unusual, I think, as is its dedication (shades of Swedenborg) but what a wonderful set of coloured windows!

    One assumes that the Sunday School is only present in the chapel during the main Eucharist, so no distractions at other times.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited February 2022
    Box Pew wrote: »
    I only dimly recall The Graduate which I saw several decades ago. So would some kind soul explain that last remark to me.
    The final scene of The Graduate. :wink:

  • Well, yes - there is a certain resemblance to the windows in the film, and one can picture Dustin Hoffman standing there and shouting!

    (The best bit of that clip is the shot of the faces of the people on the bus...)
  • And barricading the church door with the cross.
  • :lol:

    I noticed that. Most unseemly (but ingenious).
  • Perhaps someone would like to MW the church where that scene was filmed, La Verne United Methodist Church of La Verne, California.
  • Who do we have in California now? But let's not discuss this further on this thread, please.
  • Having grown up in Victoria, I can tell you the Cathedral is well-known in the area for its wonderful choral offerings. I'm sure that's being hampered by COVID restrictions at the moment (the MW report doesn't say whether there was a choir at this service or not). The organ is also the largest on Vancouver Island, and was the magnum opus of organbuilder Helmuth Wolff who died in 2013. I took some lessons from the previous organist, though not on the Wolff organ, which was just in the planning phase at that point.

    On the other hand, the Cathedral does have a reputation for being somewhat...aloof? I'm struggling to find the right word. Downtown Victoria is too expensive for most families, so the neighborhood is populated by a lot of retirees from other provinces who moved to Victoria for its mild oceanic climate (mild compared to the rest of Canada, that is). Even when I lived there -- some 20 years ago now -- there was a sense that the Cathedral was the place for the well-to-do. For all the magnificence of the building, there are homeless people who sleep on the lawn right beside it.

    The chapel is indeed an intriguing bit of architecture, though, overlooking the nave as it does. -- it's often used for chamber music concerts and such, which usually happen on Sunday afternoons (catering to the tourist crowd).
  • Powderkeg wrote: »
    (the MW report doesn't say whether there was a choir at this service or not).

    The original report gives:

    The cast

    The dean opened the service and gave the church announcements.
    The vicar presided at the service, but the dean gave the homily.
    The verger led the procession. A server held the processional cross.
    The choir sang under the direction of the choirmaster and the organist played the music.
  • Box PewBox Pew Shipmate
    edited February 2022
    Thank you for The Graduate explanation. The clip reminds me how I disliked the film all those decades ago....... Now can some other kindly soul explain to this old buffer why the high altar is decorated with seaweed?
  • Box Pew wrote: »
    Now can some other kindly soul explain to this old buffer why the high altar is decorated with seaweed?
    The green of the Season of Epiphany/Ordinary Time is all I can offer.

  • Ancient of DaysAncient of Days Shipmate Posts: 1
    edited February 2022
    I have just read StandKneelSit's review of the 13 February Sung Eucharist at Christ Church Cathedral, Victoria, B.C. and wonder if we could possibly have been attending the same service?

    I’m an 88 year old retired Anglican priest, living in Brighton UK. I’m now almost housebound, was introduced to Christ Church Cathedral a few months ago, and have by YouTube attended the Eucharist and Evensong every week since.

    Christ Church Cathedral itself is anything but ‘brutalist’. The interior is simply but elegantly ordered. About half the nave is filled with conventional pews, then a space furnished with chairs for the choir, in front of a spacious, visually attractive, semi-circular liturgical dais containing the high altar. There is an air of serenity about it, which always lifts my spirits.

    The Eucharistic liturgy draws on authorised contemporary Canadian and American resources, and is served with simple dignity, in what I would describe as ‘prayer book catholic’ style. Evensong is virtually straight 1662 BCP in content.

    The Dean [name redacted - GDPR], and the Cathedral Vicar [name redacted - GDPR], are both very fine preachers in their own distinct ways, unfailingly thoughtful, challenging and engaging. The sermon in question was about a great deal more than money, but it obviously touched a sensitive nerve in SKS, as it did in me - and rightly so! Definitely a 9!

    The Cathedral music is outstanding; its choir can bear comparison with the best cathedral choirs I have heard in the UK, thanks to the inspiring leadership of the director of music and his highly talented assistant. They offer music from Gregorian chant right through to contemporary composers, and access to a variety of soloists and concert groups. (By the way, the choir happened to be singing the psalm Gelineau-style, but they alternate with plainchant and Anglican chant. It’s always superbly sung Anglican chant at Evensong.)

    Finally, a word of praise for those who operate the tv cameras, who do it so well that the viewer is not even aware of them - unless he’s writing a comment for Mystery Worshipper.

    You won’t be surprised that my final verdict is 10 Ecstatic, and I’d give anything to be a regular worshipper at Christ Church. Cathedral, Victoria, BC in person!

    [name, address, e-mail redacted - GDPR]

    [mitre donned]

    @Ancient of Days , GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) makes it impossible for us to mention by name the clergy, staff, or members of the congregation associated with the church being reported on. Also, you would be well advised not to "out" yourself when posting on the Ship.

    And please, our MW reports are reports, not reviews.

    @Amanda B Reckondwyth
    Lead Editor, Mystery Worship

    [mitre handed to MC]
  • CheshaChesha Shipmate Posts: 2
    Funny that the presence of children was seen as a "distraction" and not a benefit. The "Sunday School Teacher" (update terminology to create credibility here) was likely trying to fulfill guidelines requiring more than one adult in the room during Covid time when volunteers were rare.

    Unfortunately, this reviewer would prefer that children be segregated from the service rather than be "distracted" by their presence. Because of this apparent lack of education on the presence of children in worship, I would hesitate to consider other reviews from this site valid or supportive of church growth. It's clear that the reviewer is too self-focused on their own experience in church rather than the communal experience, they are not considering the long-term impact of investing in the education and development of the next generation of church leaders.

    We need to prioritize the growth and nurturing of young minds in order to ensure a strong and sustainable future for the church community. If a reviewer sees this work as a distraction, then it is time to return to seminary.


  • CheshaChesha Shipmate Posts: 2
    Chesha wrote: »

    Unfortunately, this reviewer would prefer that children be segregated from the service rather than be "distracted" by their presence.


    It is precisely this attitude that it is better to segregate children from worship than include them and be "distracted" by their presence that has caused churches to empty. When non-religious but previous church-going Baby Boomers were asked why they left the church, segregation of Sunday School, of not being included because their presence was seen as a "distraction," was one of the most significant reasons for their leaving.

    "...interviews suggest that individualism, materialism, or consumerism was not responsible for their drifting away — far from it: their time in Sunday school was more significant. It failed to make any serious connection with churchgoing..."

    https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2023/24-march/books-arts/book-reviews/why-baby-boomers-turned-from-religion-shaping-belief-and-belonging-1945-2021-by-abby-day

    https://global.oup.com/academic/product/why-baby-boomers-turned-from-religion-9780192866684?lang=de&cc=sd

    Ship of Fools cannot be considered a valid resource for churches if they are ignorant of current research.

  • Chesha wrote: »
    Ship of Fools cannot be considered a valid resource for churches if they are ignorant of current research.
    They? Mystery Worshipper reports are just that—reports (not reviews, as already noted above) of what one worshipper experienced on one visit. There’s no claim of being a resource, beyond the possibility that a church might find it useful to know how one stranger in their midst experienced a visit. It’s just one person’s impressions.

    Besides which, the reporter in this case didn’t say they found the presence of children distracting. They said they found seeing the movement of people who were doing something other than participating in the liturgy—who in this case happened to be children in a Sunday school class and their teacher—in a different room visible directly above the altar distracting. Indeed, one could reasonably infer that the distraction was directly related to the fact that the children were segregated from worship.

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