Ship of Fools: Church of Our Lady, St John's Wood, London


imageShip of Fools: Church of Our Lady, St John's Wood, London

All done decently and reverently – but where were the communion ministers?

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  • No lector? No Eucharistic minister? Not surprising. Many churches (RC, I can’t speak for the C of E) are lucky to have a priest to say Mass let alone lay volunteers to perform other duties. With regard to the young lad that was looking for the loo, well that falls on the parents. THEY should know better.
  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    So what should the child have done? Surely wetting himself in church would be far more disrespectful than walking up the side aisle with his hands in his pockets.
  • Well, quite, During the Eucharistic Prayer may be an unfortunate time, but needs must.

    Two priests are mentioned in the Report - perhaps one of them acted as server and Eucharistic minister, in addition to the celebrant?

  • Well, quite, During the Eucharistic Prayer may be an unfortunate time, but needs must.

    Two priests are mentioned in the Report - perhaps one of them acted as server and Eucharistic minister, in addition to the celebrant?
    The impression I get from the report is that the celebrant asked if there was a minister of communion present at some point during the Mass—“Is there a Eucharistic Minister in the house?”—but exactly when or how, or how that fit with the other priest, isn’t clearly stated.

    As for the boy, yes, it’s certainly better not to be up walking during prayers, but sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. I have to admit that I’m more bothered by describing rather normal and innocuous behavior of a child as a hellish distraction.

  • I wonder if the regular lay staff were still away?

    The Sunday after Easter is often called Low Sunday in the C of E, on account of low numbers - although this service was not exactly sparsely attended.
  • Divine Mercy Sunday is very important in the Polish diaspora, which may explain the crowds. The Poinsettia/ Easter Lily crowds that swell the pews are long gone until next year.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited April 2022
    Divine Mercy Sunday is very important in the Polish diaspora, which may explain the crowds. The Poinsettia/ Easter Lily crowds that swell the pews are long gone until next year.

    They might have been disappointed, then, at the reported lack of emphasis on Divine Mercy Sunday (a new one on me!).
  • Then I’m sure Sister Faustina and St John Paul II have rolled over in their graves.
  • I wonder if I may have solved The Mysterious Mystery Of The Missing Minister?

    The Mass proceeds, with a fair-sized congregation present, and at some point it dawns on the priest that he is going to be flying solo when it comes to Communion.

    He therefore appeals for help - *Is there a Eucharistic Minister in the house?* - and is answered by a visiting priest, in civvies, but wearing his clerical collar.

    A stole is produced from somewhere, for the priest-turned-EM to wear, hence the visible presence of two priests, noted by the Reporter, at the end of the service.
  • Terry TeeTerry Tee Shipmate Posts: 15
    edited April 2022
    In my reading of this report, the call for a minister to assist in communion went out just before distribution of communion. As regards two priests, it is normal in a Catholic parish for all hands to be on deck at the end of a Mass, and this parish's website reveals that it has both a pastor and an assistant priest. About nature's call, surely a wait of 2 or 3 minutes should normally be possible.
  • Then I’m sure Sister Faustina and St John Paul II have rolled over in their graves.
    Mother Angelica, too. She seemed to do a lot to encourage the devotion in the States.

  • Indeed she (the controversial founder of a very popular Catholic media network) did. I’ll keep my opinions on her and her lapdog (he’s on a major conservative news network) to myself, as they don’t belong here, and I certainly don’t want to incur a strong reprimand from Miss Amanda.
  • The cult of Faustina was dropped on the church in Oz during the latter years of JP2’s pontificate. It doesn’t have a huge following outside of trad/ conservative circles.

    Oh, for Low ( Quasimodo) Sunday!
  • Terry Tee wrote: »
    In my reading of this report, the call for a minister to assist in communion went out just before distribution of communion. As regards two priests, it is normal in a Catholic parish for all hands to be on deck at the end of a Mass, and this parish's website reveals that it has both a pastor and an assistant priest. About nature's call, surely a wait of 2 or 3 minutes should normally be possible.

    O well - I expect your version is more accurate than my whimsical one!

    As regards the call of nature, the poor child might already have tried to wait for some time, until desperation took over. I rather doubt that Our Lord (and his Blessed Mother) would have been worried about the exit during the Eucharistic Prayer... :disappointed:
  • Indeed, the Blessed Mother would have taken the Baby Jesus by the hand and led him off to the potty, regardless of where in the mass it had to be done.

    As for Low Sunday, isn't it called that because the pomp and circumstance of the Triduum are over and we are now back in the regular grind, which, even in the spikiest of parishes, would seem "low" compared to what had just happened the week before. I know that when I was singing in choir, we were grateful to have the Sunday after Easter off, being still exhausted from having sung Jesus to the grave and back again.
  • As for Low Sunday, isn't it called that because the pomp and circumstance of the Triduum are over and we are now back in the regular grind, which, even in the spikiest of parishes, would seem "low" compared to what had just happened the week before.
    The origin of the name “Low Sunday” is uncertain, but that is usually considered the most likely reason for the name. The low attendance, compared to the previous week, appears to be just one of those happy coincidences that feeds folk etymologies.

    Terry Tee wrote: »
    About nature's call, surely a wait of 2 or 3 minutes should normally be possible.
    And how is that possibly anyone’s business, much less call to make, other than the boy’s and his parents’?

  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited April 2022
    Low Sunday can be a misnomer - I recall one, with Father F***wit away on yet another luxury cruise, when the congregation was larger than that at the previous Easter Day Mass...the visiting priest was surprised, but delighted (as were we!).
    :open_mouth:

    As to reverting to the usual grind, well, maybe - but Eastertide continues until Pentecost, with lots of Alleluias, the Easter hymns not already sung on Easter Day, and (in spikier Places), the singing of Regina Coeli (Joy to thee, O Queen of Heaven) with great gusto...

    IOW, still not quite back to the usual menu - *Green Sunday Sag* comes later, after Trinity Sunday.

    Apologies for prolonging the tangent, BTW, but Miss Amanda is right inasmuch that many Quires And Places Where They Sing do indeed give the singers a well-deserved week or two off!
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    The shout out for ministers isnt that uncommon. It happened just last week at our place when a requiem had an unexpectedly large congregation.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited April 2022
    Low Sunday can be a misnomer - I recall one, with Father F***wit away on yet another luxury cruise, when the congregation was larger than that at the previous Easter Day Mass...the visiting priest was surprised, but delighted (as were we!).
    :open_mouth:

    As to reverting to the usual grind, well, maybe - but Eastertide continues until Pentecost, with lots of Alleluias, the Easter hymns not already sung on Easter Day, and (in spikier Places), the singing of Regina Coeli (Joy to thee, O Queen of Heaven) with great gusto...

    IOW, still not quite back to the usual menu - *Green Sunday Sag* comes later, after Trinity Sunday.
    All true. But in the days before calendar reform, Low Sunday marked the octave of Easter, so a bit of a repeat or echo of the main feast day, as it were, but without all the festiveness. So low as compared to Easter—the other end of the octave—not as compared to green Sundays in general.

    I’ll stop now, Miss Amanda. I promise.

  • Miss Amanda didn't say a word. :neutral:
  • One quick tangential post!

    1. When I lived in London, Easter attendance was often poor as everyone went Away. (Palm Sunday was much better).

    2. IME, attendance on Low Sunday is directly related to whether children have already returned to school or not.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    I have said it before and will say it again as it appears to be relevant here - people say they want to have children in the church, but they don't, because they don't want what children actually are.

    I seem to recall Jesus having some rather scathing words about people objecting to children daring to be children.
  • Marginally relevant. Judging from the report, this seems to be a parish that welcomes children enthusiastically. Discussion of the attitude of other churches toward children does not belong here.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    No musical instruments or singing?
    At least the gospel acclamation and the eucharistic acclamations are supposed to be sung at every single Mass. especially on Sundays.
  • Maybe the cantor(s) and musicians were also still away?
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    I have said it before and will say it again as it appears to be relevant here - people say they want to have children in the church, but they don't, because they don't want what children actually are.

    I seem to recall Jesus having some rather scathing words about people objecting to children daring to be children.

    Yeah I read them at a dedication on Sunday where children were watching at close quarters, playing instruments and praying for two little girls. I think that God was really smiling!
  • [jangling her keys]

    Stop discussing how children are regarded elsewhere or I'll close this thread!

    @Amanda B Reckondwyth
    Lead Editor, Mystery Worship

    [positions key ready to insert in lock]
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