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Ship of Fools: St Bartholomew the Great, West Smithfield, London

The Mystery WorshipperThe Mystery Worshipper Shipmate
edited July 2023 in The Mystery Worshipper

imageShip of Fools: St Bartholomew the Great, West Smithfield, London

Watching voluminous clouds of incense process down the aisle on Whitsunday

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  • Baptist TrainfanBaptist Trainfan Shipmate
    Ah, Bishop Butler's (in)famous comment about Methodism: "Sir, the pretending to extraordinary revelations and gifts of the Holy Ghost is a horrid thing, a very horrid thing".
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    An interesting MW Report.

    One small question to @Livingstones about the service book used. I've not heard of Common Praise, so I'm wondering if they meant (a) Common Prayer - the 1662 BCP, or (b) Common Worship - the contemporary language book.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited July 2023
    Bishops Finger wrote: »
    One small question to @Livingstones about the service book used. I've not heard of Common Praise, so I'm wondering if they meant (a) Common Prayer - the 1662 BCP, or (b) Common Worship - the contemporary language book.
    I assumed the hymnal Common Praise was what was being referenced, particularly given this remark: “With four hymns per choral service, there was a lot of shuffling through the pages of Common Praise to place bookmarks—donation slips and pieces of tissue—to prepare for the service.” But perhaps not.

    Agreed, a very interesting report.

  • betjemaniacbetjemaniac Shipmate
    One of my favourite London homes from home, and a very Sound rector.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Bishops Finger wrote: »
    One small question to @Livingstones about the service book used. I've not heard of Common Praise, so I'm wondering if they meant (a) Common Prayer - the 1662 BCP, or (b) Common Worship - the contemporary language book.
    I assumed the hymnal Common Praise was what was being referenced, particularly given this remark: “With four hymns per choral service, there was a lot of shuffling through the pages of Common Praise to place bookmarks—donation slips and pieces of tissue—to prepare for the service.” But perhaps not.

    Agreed, a very interesting report.

    Yes, indeed, but Hymns Ancient and Modern is also mentioned, which is why I wondered if the other book was a service book.

    The website says that the Solemn Eucharist uses traditional language, which may mean Common Worship's traditional language option (the old ASB Rite B, for those of a Certain Age!), and refers to the 1662 BCP as being used for the early said Eucharist.

    A small point, but enquiring minds need to know.
    :wink:

  • Box PewBox Pew Shipmate
    Betjemaniac, I fear there is no longer a consensus on what a "Sound" rector might look—or sound—like. What are you trying to tell us here?
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Box Pew wrote: »
    Betjemaniac, I fear there is no longer a consensus on what a "Sound" rector might look—or sound—like. What are you trying to tell us here?

    We have a bishop who some think is "sound." I think he is a detestable creep.
  • ExclamationMarkExclamationMark
    Box Pew wrote: »
    Betjemaniac, I fear there is no longer a consensus on what a "Sound" rector might look—or sound—like. What are you trying to tell us here?

    It's an interesting point that sound for some will be heretical to others. The sermon at my local church would also be rather different especially as English isn't the first language for over half the congregation. Explanations and invitations have to be much much simpler
  • Baptist TrainfanBaptist Trainfan Shipmate
    From the Canterbury Press website: "'Common Praise' is the first major revision of 'Hymns A&M' for almost 50 years and is destined to become the essential new music resource for 21st century worship". It's blue, just in case you're interested.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    Baptist Trainfan wrote: »
    From the Canterbury Press website: "'Common Praise' is the first major revision of 'Hymns A&M' for almost 50 years and is destined to become the essential new music resource for 21st century worship". It's blue, just in case you're interested.

    Ah - thanks! That answers my question, I think.
    :wink:
  • angloidangloid Shipmate
    Baptist Trainfan wrote: »
    From the Canterbury Press website: "'Common Praise' is the first major revision of 'Hymns A&M' for almost 50 years and is destined to become the essential new music resource for 21st century worship". It's blue, just in case you're interested.

    Just like the passports. I wonder if that's why it's in use at Smithfield? (A&M used to be dark red).
  • betjemaniacbetjemaniac Shipmate
    Box Pew wrote: »
    Betjemaniac, I fear there is no longer a consensus on what a "Sound" rector might look—or sound—like. What are you trying to tell us here?

    throwaway comment based on knowing and liking him?
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