Extra hot coffee and other wrong things

HugalHugal Shipmate
When will customers stop asking for stupid things? It makes them look stupid. It makes us look stupid because we care about what we serve. I am sure other people in different professions have something similar.
All coffee machines are set to produce coffee to a certain temperature. The barista cannot make it any hotter. If you have a milky drink like a latte, having it extra hot means burned milk.
We can heat the cup you are drinking out if with hot water but that is it.
Any other people want to rant about their experience?
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  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    I thought this would be a rant about how when served coffee you need to wait ages for it to be cool enough to actually drink. But, there are people who want it even hotter than that? Do they have asbestos tongues or something?
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Small microwave to one side? You want it any hotter, 30 seconds in that.

    What used to annoy me when I was posting web content was that a lot of the organisation's staff assumed it was some automatic overnight process, and not one of a tiny team coming in at 7 am and hammering a keyboard. Own bloody fault for actually managing to process everything within 24 hours.
  • If you want extra hot coffee get yourself a stove top espresso machine and shut the f*** up
  • NenyaNenya All Saints Host, Ecclesiantics & MW Host
    Putting my hand up as one of those stupid customers. If you don't ask for your latte or machiatto to be extra hot at our local coffee place, it comes luke warm and has to be downed pretty much in one go otherwise it's cold. I like it to last a bit longer than that.
    Firenze wrote: »
    Own bloody fault for actually managing to process everything within 24 hours.
    Similarly where I used to work. We would be given unfair deadlines and always pull it out of a hat because that was the ethos of the place, even if it meant working late and starting early. Consequently it never stopped as "They'll manage. They always do."
  • ArielAriel Shipmate
    Somebody had an accident with hot coffee years ago at McD's, IIRC, and after that the temperature of coffee machines had to be lowered.

    They should have said that to the people at the former coffee stall at Oxford Station. You'd be given a blisteringly hot coffee there that wouldn't cool down until you arrived at your destination.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I'm not an expert, but I remember being told once that, unlike tea, coffee should be made with water that's just off the boil, as making it with boiling water would make it bitter. Is that right?
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    That’s what James Hoffman would say, but I do t know if it’s a universal view. (He used to be a world champion barrister and has a YouTube channel about coffee, I may have fallen down a rabbit hole.)
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Ariel wrote: »
    Somebody had an accident with hot coffee years ago at McD's, IIRC, and after that the temperature of coffee machines had to be lowered.
    <snip>
    Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants. Apparently they haven’t changed the coffee temperature. They’ve put sterner warnings on the cups.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Piglet wrote: »
    I'm not an expert, but I remember being told once that, unlike tea, coffee should be made with water that's just off the boil, as making it with boiling water would make it bitter. Is that right?

    Yep off the boil. 96 degrees centigrade is the top, some would say optimum heat. When I am working in the public dining at work (I am usually cheffing) I use sight and feel to get the milk right.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    edited October 2023
    BroJames wrote: »
    Ariel wrote: »
    Somebody had an accident with hot coffee years ago at McD's, IIRC, and after that the temperature of coffee machines had to be lowered.
    <snip>
    Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants. Apparently they haven’t changed the coffee temperature. They’ve put sterner warnings on the cups.

    Having done time at the Golden Arches I can verify this. It not just MacDonalds. Most places do it now. We once bought some chocolate coated Brazil nuts that said “may contain nuts” on the packaging. It was the May that got me.
  • Mc Ds also started using a dense Styrofoam cup to prevent burning fingers. They are now moving to a heavy paper type cup that can be recycled in some areas.
  • Hugal wrote: »
    When will customers stop asking for stupid things?
    Never. Of course, those customers don’t think what they’re asking for is stupid. People like what they like. That doesn’t make them stupid.

    It makes them look stupid.
    Does it? Or does it just make them look like they don’t understand how the fancy machines work?

    It makes us look stupid because we care about what we serve.
    No, it doesn’t make you look stupid in the least. Depending on how you react to the requests you deem stupid, it either (1) makes you look like you understand the business importance of satisfied customers, or (2) look like a snob and a jerk.

  • Here in the library, the public bathrooms lock if they are closed, so we leave them open when not in use, held that way by a latch behind the door. It is a very simple latch, little children have no problem with it. On at least three occasions, grown adult men, apparently mentally normal, have gone into the bathroom, left the door open, and started peeing in the toilet, completely visible from the circulation desk. Ew.

  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    When will customers stop asking for stupid things?
    Never. Of course, those customers don’t think what they’re asking for is stupid. People like what they like. That doesn’t make them stupid.

    It makes them look stupid.
    Does it? Or does it just make them look like they don’t understand how the fancy machines work?

    It makes us look stupid because we care about what we serve.
    No, it doesn’t make you look stupid in the least. Depending on how you react to the requests you deem stupid, it either (1) makes you look like you understand the business importance of satisfied customers, or (2) look like a snob and a jerk.

    I have been in the catering business for about 40 years. I never make customers look or feel stupid. I generally say ok and make the best coffee for them I can. If one of our team do follow the instruction the customer often brings it back and they say we made it wrong but we didn’t we followed their instructions. That makes us look like we can’t do our job. It makes them look like they don’t know what they are talking about. We just make a new one the way would normally do. It never comes back.
  • Hugal wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    When will customers stop asking for stupid things?
    Never. Of course, those customers don’t think what they’re asking for is stupid. People like what they like. That doesn’t make them stupid.

    It makes them look stupid.
    Does it? Or does it just make them look like they don’t understand how the fancy machines work?

    It makes us look stupid because we care about what we serve.
    No, it doesn’t make you look stupid in the least. Depending on how you react to the requests you deem stupid, it either (1) makes you look like you understand the business importance of satisfied customers, or (2) look like a snob and a jerk.

    I have been in the catering business for about 40 years. I never make customers look or feel stupid. I generally say ok and make the best coffee for them I can. If one of our team do follow the instruction the customer often brings it back and they say we made it wrong but we didn’t we followed their instructions. That makes us look like we can’t do our job. It makes them look like they don’t know what they are talking about. We just make a new one the way would normally do. It never comes back.
    Hugal wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    When will customers stop asking for stupid things?
    Never. Of course, those customers don’t think what they’re asking for is stupid. People like what they like. That doesn’t make them stupid.

    It makes them look stupid.
    Does it? Or does it just make them look like they don’t understand how the fancy machines work?

    It makes us look stupid because we care about what we serve.
    No, it doesn’t make you look stupid in the least. Depending on how you react to the requests you deem stupid, it either (1) makes you look like you understand the business importance of satisfied customers, or (2) look like a snob and a jerk.

    I have been in the catering business for about 40 years. I never make customers look or feel stupid. I generally say ok and make the best coffee for them I can. If one of our team do follow the instruction the customer often brings it back and they say we made it wrong but we didn’t we followed their instructions. That makes us look like we can’t do our job. It makes them look like they don’t know what they are talking about. We just make a new one the way would normally do. It never comes back.
    So you’re worried you look stupid to someone you’ve said looks stupid?

    I do get taking pride in one’s work and wanting to produce as good a product as possible. But I’m afraid I just can’t work up much sympathy when the whining/whinging starts with “when will customers stop asking for stupid things?” They won’t.

  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Hugal wrote: »
    I have been in the catering business for about 40 years. I never make customers look or feel stupid. I generally say ok and make the best coffee for them I can. If one of our team do follow the instruction the customer often brings it back and they say we made it wrong but we didn’t we followed their instructions. That makes us look like we can’t do our job. It makes them look like they don’t know what they are talking about. We just make a new one the way would normally do. It never comes back.

    So the thing to do is tell them you're going to follow their instructions and then make the coffee the way you normally do.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    FFS never work in IT, @Hugal . You'll explode inside a week.
  • ArielAriel Shipmate
    edited October 2023
    Anyone who's done time in customer-facing type roles will have stories to tell. This will be because:

    * someone didn't read the instructions† properly
    * someone couldn't be bothered to read them at all
    * someone decided to take a shortcut, and here we are
    * what instructions? there were instructions?
    * I know that's what it says but I should be able to...
    * it's not on the list of options but can I have it anyway?
    * this is item X, it should do Y and Z. What do you mean X doesn't do that and I should have bought one that does Y or Z?

    You will never get away from people being people.

    † leaflet, label, guidance note, helpfile, description on the packaging, whatever

  • I see no point in having a coffee that's too hot to drink. I boil the water in the kettle and put 90% of it in a mug containing the instant coffee . I then fill it up with cold milk. I never fill it up to the top in order to avoid spills.
  • Yes, that's fine if you're at home, but if you're buying a takeaway coffee, you may need it hotter to start with so that it doesn't get cool too quickly.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    The period of time that a cup of coffee is the right temperature to drink doesn't change though. If it's served too hot then you just need to sit in the cafe waiting for it to cool so you can drink it. It only needs to cool from too hot to just right in the time it takes to get from the machine to your table, thereafter if it gets cold while you drink it then it's not the fault of the staff for serving it cold.
  • Yes, that's fine if you're at home, but if you're buying a takeaway coffee, you may need it hotter to start with so that it doesn't get cool too quickly.
    I have never purchased a takeaway coffee. In my favourite cafe, I get served with a nice coffee which I drink whilst persusing a selection of newspapers, while I wait for my full english breakfast.
  • Okay, so what are some other wrong things?
  • Telford wrote: »
    I see no point in having a coffee that's too hot to drink.
    I doubt anyone does. But I suspect different people may have different ideas a how hot is too hot.

    My mother liked her coffee black and very, very hot, much hotter than the average person. Perhaps she did have an asbestos tongue.

  • NicoleMR wrote: »
    Here in the library, the public bathrooms lock if they are closed, so we leave them open when not in use, held that way by a latch behind the door. It is a very simple latch, little children have no problem with it. On at least three occasions, grown adult men, apparently mentally normal, have gone into the bathroom, left the door open, and started peeing in the toilet, completely visible from the circulation desk. Ew.

    A significant fraction of public bathrooms don't have operable doors at all, but have a "u-bend" walkway entrance to prevent lines of sight. Walking in to a bathroom with an open door and just urinating away is practically a conditioned response.

    Having doors that auto-lock when they are closed sounds like a misfeature that would guarantee that pre-teen boys would run denial-of-service attacks on your bathrooms.
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I see no point in having a coffee that's too hot to drink.
    I doubt anyone does. But I suspect different people may have different ideas a how hot is too hot.

    My mother liked her coffee black and very, very hot, much hotter than the average person. Perhaps she did have an asbestos tongue.

    Tolerance for hot drinks must also be affected by whether you intend to sip or gulp it, but I'm not sure by how much. Anyone fancy getting that study past an ethics board?
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    NicoleMR wrote: »
    Here in the library, the public bathrooms lock if they are closed, so we leave them open when not in use, held that way by a latch behind the door. It is a very simple latch, little children have no problem with it. On at least three occasions, grown adult men, apparently mentally normal, have gone into the bathroom, left the door open, and started peeing in the toilet, completely visible from the circulation desk. Ew.

    A significant fraction of public bathrooms don't have operable doors at all, but have a "u-bend" walkway entrance to prevent lines of sight. Walking in to a bathroom with an open door and just urinating away is practically a conditioned response.

    Having doors that auto-lock when they are closed sounds like a misfeature that would guarantee that pre-teen boys would run denial-of-service attacks on your bathrooms.

    Hmm - you can generally find bogs that don't have an actual door by, erm, just following your nose.

    No need to give a helpful "I'd give it ten minutes if I were you" warning to the next person in line...
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Tolerance for hot drinks must also be affected by whether you intend to sip or gulp it, but I'm not sure by how much. Anyone fancy getting that study past an ethics board?

    Or perhaps the other way around.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I see no point in having a coffee that's too hot to drink.
    I doubt anyone does. But I suspect different people may have different ideas a how hot is too hot.

    My mother liked her coffee black and very, very hot, much hotter than the average person. Perhaps she did have an asbestos tongue.

    Tolerance for hot drinks must also be affected by whether you intend to sip or gulp it, but I'm not sure by how much. Anyone fancy getting that study past an ethics board?

    One of the abilities my dad has developed over decades as a priest is being able to down tea or coffee almost regardless of temperature.
  • Same for junior doctors…
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    edited October 2023
    Anyone who's done time in customer-facing type roles will have stories to tell.

    Back in my lawyering days, we had a couple who wanted to buy a house "in the country, within ten minutes walk of the city centre." They had driven up to view houses, but even when they were actually in the city, the penny still hadn't dropped that there is nowhere "in the country within a ten minute walk" of any city, anywhere, and that Scotland does not have cute miniature village-like cities. They were still convinced their dream cottage-in-the-country existed somewhere withing strolling distance of the main street, and that a half-way competent firm of solicitors and estate agents could find it for them.



  • ArielAriel Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I see no point in having a coffee that's too hot to drink.
    I doubt anyone does. But I suspect different people may have different ideas a how hot is too hot.

    My mother liked her coffee black and very, very hot, much hotter than the average person. Perhaps she did have an asbestos tongue.

    Tolerance for hot drinks must also be affected by whether you intend to sip or gulp it, but I'm not sure by how much. Anyone fancy getting that study past an ethics board?

    One of the abilities my dad has developed over decades as a priest is being able to down tea or coffee almost regardless of temperature.

    My mother was always on at me to drink my tea while it was still hot. Both our cups were poured at the same time and she was fine with drinking it then, but it would always burn my mouth if I didn't wait for it to cool down for a while. Once the water's boiled it needs about 10-15 mins cooling time for it to be the right temperature for me.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    It’s quicker to just chuck an ice cube in.
  • My mother was always on at me to drink my tea while it was still hot.

    My mother is the same with coffee. When the kids were small I got into the habit of putting my coffee out of reach for ten mins and then drinking it lukewarm. I don't do that now, but I'm still happy to drink lukewarm coffee. If Mum spots an undrunk lukewarm mug, she pours it away, so that when I go to drink it, it's gone. Sometimes I've made myself a second mug, only to have it poured away because I wasn't fast enough, too. I don't think Mum's ever poured away three consecutive mugs, possibly because if I'm expecting a hit of caffeine, and been thwarted twice, my humour while making a third mug is ... tetchy.
  • I really can't get worked up about hot or cold coffee, but on the rare occasions when I indulge in rocket fuel a double espresso, it always seems to be cold, no matter where I am...or maybe it's the illegal amount of sugar I use that cools it down...
    :grimace:

    As to other Wrong Things, there are so many of them in these days of the End Time that it's hard to know where to start.

  • Sweet coffee is not just wrong. It's an abomination before all right thinking parties. Coffee should be bitter and dark like my heart.
  • My heart is so bitter and dark that I need sugar in order to be able to function as a Humming Bean...
  • ArielAriel Shipmate
    Coffee should be rich, raw, and rough. Yes, bitter, not smooth and mellow; it should kickstart the day into action.
  • HezekiahHezekiah Deckhand, Styx Posts: 47
    You can solve all your problems by not drinking the filthy stuff at all. Stick to Horlicks, hot chocolate or tea.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Hezekiah wrote: »
    You can solve all your problems by not drinking the filthy stuff at all. Stick to Horlicks, hot chocolate or tea.

    Get thee behind me!
  • ArielAriel Shipmate
    Hezekiah wrote: »
    You can solve all your problems by not drinking the filthy stuff at all. Stick to Horlicks, hot chocolate or tea.

    Horlicks?! 🤣

    (Do they still make that?)
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Ariel wrote: »
    Hezekiah wrote: »
    You can solve all your problems by not drinking the filthy stuff at all. Stick to Horlicks, hot chocolate or tea.

    Horlicks?! 🤣

    (Do they still make that?)

    In Satan's bladder, I believe so.
  • Possibly outwith the anatomy of the Prince of Darkness:

    https://www.horlicks.co.uk/
  • Satan's bladder is far too busy supplying American breweries.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Horlicks is indeed produced by Beelzebub, and hot chocolate's fine if you want to go to sleep, but imho it would be completely useless in the morning.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Satan's bladder is far too busy supplying American breweries.

    Fuck you.
  • Ruth wrote: »
    Satan's bladder is far too busy supplying American breweries.

    Fuck you.

    I should have been more specific. Supplying whichever organisation is responsible for Coors and Budweiser.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Thank you!
  • What my sister used to refer to as "yellow pee water."
  • I despair at being served a decent cup of tea any more in a cafe. A little pot of tea used to come with a small jug of milk and hopefully a nice china cup. Yesterday I was served a cup of hot water with a tea bag perched on the saucer. Horrors! It appears that so many people now drink coffee and the art of tea making has just about disappeared.
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