I have done something foolish - promised to lead a hymn

Our organist is going to be away a few times in the near future and we have no other instrumentalists, congregation of about 20-30, mixed ages, we use Anglican Hymns Old and New.
I am a low alto and a very experienced choral singer and have taught songs to groups of children etc.
What can I lead them in that we can, if necessary, sing unaccompanied and without harmony?
The curate has offered recorded accompaniment but it may well be at a pitch I will struggle to sing loudly solo. I think we MIGHT manage a round but definitely not harmony.
So far I have only thought of Be Still And Know, Peruvian Gloria, and Thuma Mina.

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  • Living adventurously is never foolish!
  • chukovsky wrote: »
    The curate has offered recorded accompaniment but it may well be at a pitch I will struggle to sing loudly solo.
    If you are downloading MP3 files (legally) from certain sites, you can easily change the pitch and tempo. Send me a personal message if you'd like to know more.

  • Paging @Arethosemyfeet too, as I think this may be something he regularly deals with.

  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Good for you. I would have a chat with regulars to see what they might suggest. Recorded accompaniments can be more of a hindrance than a help.
    I think I might be looking at more traditional hymns. Things like O God our help in ages past and Old 100th can go really well unaccompanied if at a comfortable pitch. More modern stuff can be more of a challenge without an accompaniment to keep it together.
    I'm not familiar enough with your tradition to suggest service music. Do you know any "echo" settings of the Holy, holies etc?
  • So happy to see you!!!
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Paging @Arethosemyfeet too, as I think this may be something he regularly deals with.

    Yes, indeed. Midi files are great - you can open them in Musescore, tweak them to put in the pauses, tempo, pitch and so on as you like them then export as mp3 or wav and play them over your sound system.

    Alternatively, if you prefer to sing unaccompanied, I suggest that well-known metrical hymns with a strong rhythm are a good bet, mixed with Taize and Iona material designed to be un- or minimally accompanied. Avoid hymns with extended pauses, unusual rhythms or a heavy reliance on cues from the accompaniment. Generally I find a congregation can cope well singing unaccompanied so long as there is a confident lead.

    If it would help a I have a fair library of hymns now, either just tunes, with me singing, or full videos with the words included too. DM me if I can assist.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    As long as you sing the melody line and sing it confidently, rather than the alto line, I'm sure you'll do fine - better than expecting people who can't sing very well to sing to the strumming of a guitar, which is not a melody instrument.

  • Thanks all! Church tradition is middle to high Anglican but very tiny and on a housing estate. We've been through two other richer Anglican churches locally who both wanted children with disabilities to be seen and not heard, and preferably not seen either.

    I'm not able to fiddle with any audio, as I don't have access to the equipment or time to fiddle (I work nearly full time and have two quite busy children). I had not thought of a simpler hymn though, I agree that O God Our Help would work unaccompanied!

    We have a sung Gloria we use depending on the priest (our curate is our permanent clergy with rotating vicars).

    @Lamb Chopped thanks, I'm rarely on these days due to major political differences between me and many vocal members of the board plus, you know, the job and the children. I do my arguing elsewhere!
  • We sing all our hymns a cappella, having no instrumentalist and no one capable of sorting out a tech solution. In my experience, one single voice that is willing and able to start the melody line loud and clear is enough to get everyone else on key (well, mostly) and going.
  • Usually it’s me…
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Just sing from your heart and The Almighty will still appreciate it.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    This.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Just sing from your heart and The Almighty will still appreciate it.

    But will the congregation?
    (I think I'd prefer them to enjoy singing but I'll make sure they also understand this!)
  • In the end, you do the best you can with what you've got.

    Truly, I doubt anybody will think about the hymn for more than the time it takes to sing it, which is kinda deflating, but it can also set you free from worry. I mean, most people are obsessing over their own personal crap. This is what I tell myself every time I get anxious about doing something in public...
  • Excellent point @Lamb Chopped .
    I think if I enjoy it more than singing with the tape, that's the point, really.
  • sounds good!
  • TwangistTwangist Shipmate
    Do what you can do and do that well with conviction and confidence seasoned with humour and reliance on the Holy Spirit.
  • Enoch wrote: »
    As long as you sing the melody line and sing it confidently, rather than the alto line, I'm sure you'll do fine - better than expecting people who can't sing very well to sing to the strumming of a guitar, which is not a melody instrument.

    To add a bit to this. You actually are at an advantage since you are an alto and not a soprano. You are more likely to pitch the melody line in a range that more people can easily sing!
  • That’s true.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Enoch wrote: »
    As long as you sing the melody line and sing it confidently, rather than the alto line, I'm sure you'll do fine - better than expecting people who can't sing very well to sing to the strumming of a guitar, which is not a melody instrument.

    To add a bit to this. You actually are at an advantage since you are an alto and not a soprano. You are more likely to pitch the melody line in a range that more people can easily sing!

    Very good point. If you find you're struggling to pitch appropriately then there's nothing wrong with working out the appropriate note on the piano and plonking it a few times to get you started in the right place.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    I’ve sometimes used an app on my phone for that, but I can usually pitch within a tone of the right note so long as I’m not too nervous.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Enoch wrote: »
    As long as you sing the melody line and sing it confidently, rather than the alto line, I'm sure you'll do fine - better than expecting people who can't sing very well to sing to the strumming of a guitar, which is not a melody instrument.

    To add a bit to this. You actually are at an advantage since you are an alto and not a soprano. You are more likely to pitch the melody line in a range that more people can easily sing!

    Tenor here preparing his boots to sing down in...
  • I was going to bring my recorder for pitch...
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    edited April 2024
    chukovsky wrote: »
    I was going to bring my recorder for pitch...

    Good plan.

    One choirmaster I knew used to hit himself on the head with a tuning fork.
  • Did he get back a hollow clonk?
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Did he get back a hollow clonk?

    Not sure, I was too busy trying to get the note. :lol:
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    chukovsky wrote: »
    I was going to bring my recorder for pitch...

    Good plan.

    One choirmaster I knew used to hit himself on the head with a tuning fork.

    David used to rather loudly blow his nose; unless he had a cold it was a fairly reliable G. :mrgreen:
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    chukovsky wrote: »
    Our organist is going to be away a few times in the near future...

    As a longtime church musician, I have to say that your organist really should make preparations for/with you. It's so easy to record these days, and so many keyboard instruments transpose at the touch of a button. I'm a bit surprised that he/she hasn't done any planning for her/his absences or provided resources/means for you to lead your folks in song as comfortably as possible.
  • I have in no way got any responsibility for this and the organist/curate between them have decided to use recorded backing. I just thought it would be nice to have an unaccompanied hymn led by someone (in this case, me).
  • We use recorded music but occasionally there are glitches - either it doesn't work, or there are more verses in the hymn in the recording. Fortunately I'm quite good at leading hymns (assuming I can get the pitch right), and we are in Wales, the land of song!

    Seriously, I don't think you need to worry too much about this, I'm sure it will be fine.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Recorded music is not allowed in RC services. It can make for some interesting discussions around weddings and funerals. Though the ban isn't universally adhered to. And there are workarounds.
    Our Place actually has no means of easily playing recorded stuff.
    Taking a recorder to get the pitch is an excellent idea. I have seen it done very successfully.
  • Baptist TrainfanBaptist Trainfan Shipmate
    edited April 2024
    Alan29 wrote: »
    Recorded music is not allowed in RC services.
    Interesting - do you know the reason why? And would an organ that's been pre-programmed to play music be allowed?

  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Alan29 wrote: »
    Recorded music is not allowed in RC services.
    Interesting - do you know the reason why? And would an organ that's been pre-programmed to play music be allowed?

    Or a robot organist?
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    edited April 2024
    Alan29 wrote: »
    Recorded music is not allowed in RC services.
    Interesting - do you know the reason why? And would an organ that's been pre-programmed to play music be allowed?

    No they are excluded too. The ban goes back to a 1958 doc from the Vatican ""Only instruments which are personally played by a performer are to be used in the sacred liturgy, not those which are played mechanically or automatically."
    I think the reasoning has something to do with de-humanising worship. You wouldnt play a recording of people saying the Lords Prayer to add voices to a congregation.
    However the ban is much breached. Our PP reckons that everything that happens before the formal greeting and after the formal "Go in peace" at the end of Mass is outside the liturgy so he allows it - but they have to provide the means to play the MP3 or whatever. I have sometimes been asked to play a favourite song at the end of a wedding when the registers are being signed, and one couple went out to me playing "Isn't she lovely."
    Another time the bridal party wanted to come in to Pachelbels canon and played a CD because "It was something you wouldnt be able to play." However they had engaged a wedding planner who had watched too many Hollywood movies, so the bridesmaids entered one at a time with a long gap between them resulting in the track finishing before the bride even started to process. I was on piano and our excellent guitarist was next to me, so we just picked up the Pachelbel and continued with our own variations until the bride reached the altar.
    "Couldnt play it?" My arse!
  • Alan29 wrote: »
    However they had engaged a wedding planner who had watched too many Hollywood movies, so the bridesmaids entered one at a time with a long gap between them.
    Oh, how I hate that! Did a page sprinkle paper roses on the floor for them to walk over, too?

  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Alan29 wrote: »
    However they had engaged a wedding planner who had watched too many Hollywood movies, so the bridesmaids entered one at a time with a long gap between them.
    Oh, how I hate that! Did a page sprinkle paper roses on the floor for them to walk over, too?

    I’ve had brides ask for that sort of thing. My answer is always ‘Yes.’




    ‘Provided another page follows behind the bride with dustpan and brush.’
  • I remember one of our priests being very exercised by a request from a grieving family for Edith Piaf's Non, je ne regrette rien to be sung as the coffin was taken out of the church.
    It was finally agreed that the family would see to the arrangements for the playing of this particular piece. (which they did !)
  • BroJames wrote: »
    ‘Provided another page follows behind the bride with dustpan and brush.’
    Suitably decorated (the dustpan and brush, not the page).

  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Alan29 wrote: »
    However they had engaged a wedding planner who had watched too many Hollywood movies, so the bridesmaids entered one at a time with a long gap between them.
    Oh, how I hate that! Did a page sprinkle paper roses on the floor for them to walk over, too?

    And they came in to that strange American slow march to the rhythm of the music. I managed to stifle my guffaws .... just!
  • chukovskychukovsky Shipmate
    Update which is relevant and extension which is slightly on topic!
    I sang "Be still and know" a tone lower using a pitch app on my phone, which went well.
    We have had a few more weeks with no organist and last week we had "a very talented singer" from our sister parish.
    Unfortunately we are very much a hymn parish and they are straying towards being a chorus parish and this was a chorus "talented" singer.
    And my older child, who is neurodivergent, said what I was thinking, very loudly, with his fingers in his ears and a grimace on his face "WHY IS SHE SINGING HER VOICE SOUNDS AWFUL I HATE THIS MUSIC".
    I am torn between "thank goodness I think only the people in the next pew heard" and "that's exactly what I was thinking, how do I pass it on tactfully to the vicar".
    Thing is, we go to this parish not the sister parish or the much closer large charismatic church in town precisely for this reason. We like traditional. We like organ music. My children have grown up with this and my eldest will even, occasionally, try to sing along with hymns, and he knows the pattern of the Eucharist (they have not tried to change this, or eliminate it from some morning services, luckily, unlike Large Charismatic Church in Town), he helps to ring the bell during the prayers.
    I am, unfortunately, quite a flaky church congregant (partly related to said neurodivergent child) and not as talented instrumentally (or as a solo vocalist, ear-splitting notwithstanding) as the chorus-leader. So I definitely can't offer to take on all the organist absences. Or I would!
  • Alan29 wrote: »
    No they are excluded too. The ban goes back to a 1958 doc from the Vatican ""Only instruments which are personally played by a performer are to be used in the sacred liturgy, not those which are played mechanically or automatically."
    I think the reasoning has something to do with de-humanising worship.

    With electronic instruments, there's more or less a continuum between "personally played" and "recorded music", and I'm sure some people could have fun arguing about where to draw the line :naughty:
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Alan29 wrote: »
    No they are excluded too. The ban goes back to a 1958 doc from the Vatican ""Only instruments which are personally played by a performer are to be used in the sacred liturgy, not those which are played mechanically or automatically."
    I think the reasoning has something to do with de-humanising worship.

    With electronic instruments, there's more or less a continuum between "personally played" and "recorded music", and I'm sure some people could have fun arguing about where to draw the line :naughty:

    Well I am playing at an RC funeral next week which will include Bette Midler singing a song about wind and wings. As far as I know she will not be appearing in person.
  • TwangistTwangist Shipmate
    chukovsky wrote: »
    Update which is relevant and extension which is slightly on topic!
    I sang "Be still and know" a tone lower using a pitch app on my phone, which went well.
    We have had a few more weeks with no organist and last week we had "a very talented singer" from our sister parish.
    Unfortunately we are very much a hymn parish and they are straying towards being a chorus parish and this was a chorus "talented" singer.
    And my older child, who is neurodivergent, said what I was thinking, very loudly, with his fingers in his ears and a grimace on his face "WHY IS SHE SINGING HER VOICE SOUNDS AWFUL I HATE THIS MUSIC".
    I am torn between "thank goodness I think only the people in the next pew heard" and "that's exactly what I was thinking, how do I pass it on tactfully to the vicar".
    Thing is, we go to this parish not the sister parish or the much closer large charismatic church in town precisely for this reason. We like traditional. We like organ music. My children have grown up with this and my eldest will even, occasionally, try to sing along with hymns, and he knows the pattern of the Eucharist (they have not tried to change this, or eliminate it from some morning services, luckily, unlike Large Charismatic Church in Town), he helps to ring the bell during the prayers.
    I am, unfortunately, quite a flaky church congregant (partly related to said neurodivergent child) and not as talented instrumentally (or as a solo vocalist, ear-splitting notwithstanding) as the chorus-leader. So I definitely can't offer to take on all the organist absences. Or I would!

    I take it they didn't ask what you guys normally have/actually know/are used to?
  • chukovskychukovsky Shipmate
    The curate is the only full time clergy with both us and the sister church, so knows what we and the sister church are used to. Usually this is organ and hymns.
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