Official: I'm a dangerous extremist!

Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
So, over the years there have been several people well known for being a six-pack short of a six-pack who have called Greens dangerous extremists, Andrew Neil being one of them who recently took a pot shot at those campaigning for Scottish Independence and has form for pot shots at Scottish Greens and the wider Yes movement. But, who listens to people like that? A lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.

But, now we've been put in the same category of dangerous extremists within the same breath as others in an "axis of authoritarian states" including Russia, Iran and North Korea. Those of us who campaign for equal rights for all people regardless of their gender or for the rights of a nation to be self-governing have been added to this "axis of authoritarians" by none other than the Prime Minister (for a few months more) of the UK.

I guess that means I'm either an official dangerous extremist, or the PM has officially totally lost his sense of perspective.

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  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    I laughed as I clicked on your thread - now on reading your post I'm angry. FFS I'd call the man an idiot - if that wasn't insulting to idiots everywhere else.
  • or the PM has officially totally lost his sense of perspective.

    Did he ever have one to lose?
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    Link?

    I suppose a supporter of Brexit like the PM would know something about colluding with Russia given that the Russians are known to have interfered with the campaigns leading up to the Brexit referendum in support of Brexit.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Report in The National, just because that's always so much fun to read the comments. Version if you can't access that link, but you can't read the comments
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    Report in The National, just because that's always so much fun to read the comments. Version if you can't access that link, but you can't read the comments

    From the first link:
    Sunak then said he "couldn't accept" that the UK's problems were due to "14 years of Conservative government"

    Ah. I see…

    Yay. :/

    I know it’s not very hellish but sending my sympathy. And prayers for both of our countries to survive the far right extremists…
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    And they let you near nukes!
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Another play from the fascist play book. From what I can tell the speech was contradictory and confused. Though I have only seen commentators talking about it not the speech. However they all agree that it was contradictory and confusing.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Pfft. I've been a dangerous extremist since at least 2015 when I joined the Labour Party. You Green Johnny-come-latelies only getting tagged in 2024.
  • I appreciate this is in the "stating the obvious and of no use to anyone" territory, however:

    It is a very Trumpian behaviour to accuse others of doing the actual thing you are doing. Because, I suppose, it reflects and deflects the argument away from you.

    The Tories look increasingly like a spent force and seem to have now become the shell of a party ideology, which apparently only exists to blame others for the things they've done.

    Case in point from last week when the Tories dug up an old speech by someone on the Labour frontbench about the moral necessity of accepting Syrian refugees. How this was symptomatic of the Labour party policy on migration etc and so on.

    Of course it took seconds to find out that weeks/months after this Labour Party speech, the Then Prime Minister David Cameron accepted the moral necessity of accepting Syrian refugees.

    Another one was Sunak yesterday trying to say that the reason the country is in a bad state was Labour. Who have been in opposition for the last 15 years.

  • It is a classic case of "Look over there - that is where your problems are".

    It is typical authoritarian behaviour.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    It is a classic case of "Look over there - that is where your problems are".

    It is typical authoritarian behaviour.

    Look, a squirrel!
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    edited May 2024
    I don’t know where the Cons are getting all these dead cats from. They seem to have a steady supply.
    I to am a danger to society with my evil lefty views. From what I can tell the Ship is a place that harbours the likes of me. The government must be watching us. Which one of you is the a spy in disguise, for Rishi 🥸. Come on admit it
  • RockyRogerRockyRoger Shipmate
    OK, I admit it.

    You're doomed! Next you'll be spouting dangerous lefty humanitarian stuff from The Sermon on the Mount!
  • I wouldn't have considered anyknd joining the Labour Party in 2015 as 'dangerously subversive' - and far less so now of course.

    I think the Greens are generally more radical and lefty than many people realise, and I don't say that as a criticism. It's just a lot of people don't know much about them other than that they are 'Green'.

    And yes, they are picking up disaffected Labour supporters.

    Being seen as dangerously subversive by someone else whether Sunak or the bloke down the road, and regarding oneself as dangerously subversive, are, of course, too entirely different things.

    I'm reminded of Rik Mayall in The Young Ones. 'People who don't pay their TV licences against the Nazis!'
  • Whoops - 'two' entirely different things.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    KoF wrote: »
    Another one was Sunak yesterday trying to say that the reason the country is in a bad state was Labour. Who have been in opposition for the last 15 years.
    I have not seen or heard the PM saying that the country is in a bad state. Labour have not been in opposition for 15 years

  • Scottish Nationalists do, in fact, want to see an independent Scotland. As such, and literally by definition, they want to break up the UK. It follows (from the unionist position, at least) that they are, indeed, a threat to the UK and it’s reasonable to include them in a list of threats to the UK.

    Especially in the context of a speech saying “here are a bunch of threats we all face, and if that’s not enough there are even some of us who want to break us up from within”.

    Nothing to see here, as far as I’m concerned. Just a flimsy excuse to start yet a-fucking-nother anti-Tory thread.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Nothing to see here - just MtM making another flimsy excuse for tory shittery.
  • Telford wrote: »
    KoF wrote: »
    Another one was Sunak yesterday trying to say that the reason the country is in a bad state was Labour. Who have been in opposition for the last 15 years.
    I have not seen or heard the PM saying that the country is in a bad state. Labour have not been in opposition for 15 years

    It'll be not far off 15 years by the time the next GE is held.

    The fact that Wishi-Washi fails to admit that the country is in a bad state is proof of his disconnect from reality...

    Nothing to see here, as far as I’m concerned. Just a flimsy excuse to start yet a-fucking-nother anti-Tory thread.

    O dear. Another outbreak of Fujiarism.
  • Telford wrote: »
    KoF wrote: »
    Another one was Sunak yesterday trying to say that the reason the country is in a bad state was Labour. Who have been in opposition for the last 15 years.
    I have not seen or heard the PM saying that the country is in a bad state. Labour have not been in opposition for 15 years

    From the BBC
    He admitted that the party's record was not "perfect" and that he understood some people felt their "confidence and pride" in the country had been "knocked".

    "I understand that, I accept it, I want to change it," he said.

    "What I cannot accept is Labour saying all the worries you have are because of 14 years of Conservative government, that all you need to do is change the people in office and all these problems will magically disappear."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-69001810
  • Scottish Nationalists do, in fact, want to see an independent Scotland. As such, and literally by definition, they want to break up the UK. It follows (from the unionist position, at least) that they are, indeed, a threat to the UK and it’s reasonable to include them in a list of threats to the UK.

    Especially in the context of a speech saying “here are a bunch of threats we all face, and if that’s not enough there are even some of us who want to break us up from within”.

    Nothing to see here, as far as I’m concerned. Just a flimsy excuse to start yet a-fucking-nother anti-Tory thread.

    Gosh yes, now that you've explained it like that it all becomes clear.

    All problems are due to the "enemy within" with their dastardly act of trying to change the direction of politics via the ballot box, their treacherous use of the word Parliament in their local assembly, and their disgusting way of forcing the King of England to be a Presbyterian when North of the Border.

    Nothing whatsoever to do with a Brexit deal which has made us worse off than we were pre-2016, utterly disastrous management of the United Kingdom during COVID, distain for devolution, elected mayors, the public.

    Nope nope nope. It's them pesky Scot Nats.
  • Leorning CnihtLeorning Cniht Shipmate
    edited May 2024
    Quoting a piece of prize idiocy from the current Prime Minister,
    KoF wrote: »
    "What I cannot accept is Labour saying all the worries you have are because of 14 years of Conservative government, that all you need to do is change the people in office and all these problems will magically disappear."

    Well, of course the problems won't "magically" disappear. Making the problems go away requires actual work in government, of the useful kind. The policies of successive Conservative governments over the last 14 years have made these problems worse. A different choice of policies would have made them better. Those Conservative governments had the option to choose constructive, sensible policies, but chose instead to pander to the racists and data-deniers.

    The identity of the people in office does not alter the problems. It's the things that they actually do that make a difference.
  • Maybe you'd be kind enough to ensure that the words of Rishi Sunak are reproduced in future in such a way to clarify that they are quoted in the BBC and are not, in fact, my words or words I agree with, @Leorning Cniht
  • Sorry @KoF - that was clumsy quoting. I am happy to amend my post to clarify that those words were Mr Sunak's, and not yours.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Scottish Nationalists do, in fact, want to see an independent Scotland. As such, and literally by definition, they want to break up the UK. It follows (from the unionist position, at least) that they are, indeed, a threat to the UK and it’s reasonable to include them in a list of threats to the UK.

    Especially in the context of a speech saying “here are a bunch of threats we all face, and if that’s not enough there are even some of us who want to break us up from within”.

    Nothing to see here, as far as I’m concerned. Just a flimsy excuse to start yet a-fucking-nother anti-Tory thread.

    The problem is the definition of danger. Splitting the union is not the same as threats from bad actors. Ending the union is not the same as planting bombs
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    As someone of mixed English/Scottish ancestry, born and grew up in London, children born and growing up in Scotland, I have a strong identification with the United Kingdom and I'd probably support the Union even if I were convinced by the economic arguments.
    But even I think comparing the breakup of the UK as the result of the Scottish Nationalists winning the argument at the ballot box to the threat posed by Russia or China is bathetic.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    So am I - paid up member of the Green Party 💚
  • I keep voting Green (when I don’t vote Liberal) but the reason I keep back from actually joining them and keep getting pushed back to the Liberals is I’m not a socialist. I think it was Albertus, late of this parish (and possibly this was on the old ship), who first wrote of the lack of a home if you’re a green sympathiser who is also a monarchist agrarian. To which I’d add in my case support of nuclear power, high speed rail, NATO, and preserved steam railways.

    Since when they’ve only tacked further left as a result of becoming a home for disgruntled Labour voters.

    You don’t need to be a full on Henry Williamson or other proto-Green blood and soil nationalist* to think that a Green Party explicitly of the left is exclusionary.

    I’d quite like the Ecology Party back - it felt like a broader church.

    *the founders of Britain’s green movement were almost hilariously** right wing

    **hilarious these days only because it’s so far from where they’ve ended up today (and to be clear, I absolutely wouldn’t have countenanced voting for them)
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    edited May 2024
    Given that David "Jews are Lizard People" Icke was an early Green Party member I think I know what you mean.
  • Given that David "Jews are Lizard People" Icke was an early Green Party member I think I know what you mean.

    I was going back a bit further to the founding of the Soil Association but yes.
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    Firenze wrote: »
    And they let you near nukes!

    My thoughts exactly!
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    Bit of a derail, but I had an odd letter yesterday, claiming to be from me in 2044 telling what happened after I voted Reform on Thursday. Fuming slightly over someone misusing my name and address (I'm on the restricted roll) and thinking I'd vote for that lot, I looked at the small print at the end. They had predicted my reaction by pointing out that they had access to the whole roll for election purposes, and their email address was something Conservative.
    Very clever, And I'm interested to see they still have a dirty tricks department as they did in 1926 (seen something of that).
    I'm in what I thought was a safe Tory seat. Now I'll have to rethink things.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    After 2019 you're only just learning the tories still engage in dirty tricks?
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    For election campaigning and other election related purposes (eg: confirming donors are registered voters) there's no restrictions on the electoral register. Sending election material to voters is a legitimate use of that data. The letter would only be illegal if it didn't comply with other election legislation - such as not having an "imprint" (a bit of text saying "promoted by [agent] on behalf of [candidate]" - with a whole raft of rules on where it should be, font size etc)

    The restrictions on the register only apply to non-political or election uses of the data.
  • There’s so much stuff I’m learning about things in the UK that I thought just happened here in the US. :( Sending hugs and prayers.
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