It’s only relatively recently (last 3-4 decades) IME that the two wings have made uneasy common cause against the centre rather than lobbing bricks at each other.
In society at large, as well, the two poles have come together against liberalism. At the 2016 Al Smith dinner, Donald Trump accused Hillary Clinton of "hat[ing] Catholics". Whereas in the 1928 election, Al Smith himself, a cultural liberal, was accused of hating protestants/Americans/whomever, specifically because he WAS Catholic.
And yes @ChastMastr I agree that US Episcopalians are largely more self-consciously 'Catholic' than most CofE Anglicans outside of the Anglo-Catholic wing.
Interestingly, and we are going off the Lourdes / Fatima and apparitions topic, I once met an ACNA ordinand (yes, I know they are a splinter group) who told me that his church in Tennessee was attracting lots of former Baptists and 'non-denoms'.
And yes @ChastMastr I agree that US Episcopalians are largely more self-consciously 'Catholic' than most CofE Anglicans outside of the Anglo-Catholic wing.
Interestingly, and we are going off the Lourdes / Fatima and apparitions topic, I once met an ACNA ordinand (yes, I know they are a splinter group) who told me that his church in Tennessee was attracting lots of former Baptists and 'non-denoms'.
TBF ACNA always seem to be banging on about how wonderfully their schism is going and how TEC is on the verge of collapse. The gentleman (for of course no ladies allowed) doth protest too much methinks.
You didn't meet him. I did. He was a nice lad and anything but triumphalist.
But yes, I've heard from Orthodox sources in the US that the ACNA schism isn't going as swimmingly as its participants would like to make out. But then, it's also in the Orthodox interests to downplay it.
And it's not as if we aren't free from triumphalism either. I've seen all sorts of ra-ra-rah comments online about Orthodox 'growth' when the vast majority of the alleged numbers are conspicuous by their absence from the actual services themselves.
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In society at large, as well, the two poles have come together against liberalism. At the 2016 Al Smith dinner, Donald Trump accused Hillary Clinton of "hat[ing] Catholics". Whereas in the 1928 election, Al Smith himself, a cultural liberal, was accused of hating protestants/Americans/whomever, specifically because he WAS Catholic.
And yes @ChastMastr I agree that US Episcopalians are largely more self-consciously 'Catholic' than most CofE Anglicans outside of the Anglo-Catholic wing.
Interestingly, and we are going off the Lourdes / Fatima and apparitions topic, I once met an ACNA ordinand (yes, I know they are a splinter group) who told me that his church in Tennessee was attracting lots of former Baptists and 'non-denoms'.
TBF ACNA always seem to be banging on about how wonderfully their schism is going and how TEC is on the verge of collapse. The gentleman (for of course no ladies allowed) doth protest too much methinks.
But yes, I've heard from Orthodox sources in the US that the ACNA schism isn't going as swimmingly as its participants would like to make out. But then, it's also in the Orthodox interests to downplay it.
And it's not as if we aren't free from triumphalism either. I've seen all sorts of ra-ra-rah comments online about Orthodox 'growth' when the vast majority of the alleged numbers are conspicuous by their absence from the actual services themselves.