Tice and Anderson - Fascists.

KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjk3ppjjlpmo

If your first reaction to this is "good, like to see them putting the boot in", you're a fascist. A police state, rule by fear of unrestrained brutality, fascist.

You may suspect it was justified, or indeed suspect not. But the assumption that life endangering violence was justified is fascism.

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  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited July 2024
    Andy Burnham has said that the situation was not at all clear-cut, which is sensible, as he wasn't there.

    AFAIK, neither 30 pee Lee nor Tricky Dice were there, so what they say is not sensible.

    They do, as we know, belong to the *party* whose fluffer in Clacton (supposedly canvassing for Niggle the Garbage) wanted Our Boys to shoot refugees out of the water.

    They are evil, toxic fascists.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    Any police officer who can't keep their temper in check should not be a police officer.

    There should be much better vetting of who gets in.

    Utterly appalling and concerning behaviour.
  • Boogie wrote: »
    Any police officer who can't keep their temper in check should not be a police officer.

    There should be much better vetting of who gets in.

    Utterly appalling and concerning behaviour.

    Yes, by the Police officer involved, and also by the Reform pair.
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjk3ppjjlpmo

    If your first reaction to this is "good, like to see them putting the boot in", you're a fascist. A police state, rule by fear of unrestrained brutality, fascist.

    You may suspect it was justified, or indeed suspect not. But the assumption that life endangering violence was justified is fascism.

    It's hard to see how one could reasonably justify the actions shown in the video. Violently subduing someone who is actively fighting you is one thing, but the man in the video is lying on the floor, there's what appears to be a woman in a hijab putting restraints on him (don't know if she's border control, or what), and two uniformed police officers with drawn tasers. One of the police officers decides to kick the man in the head (whilst he's lying stationary face down on the floor), then stamp on his head, before continuing to restrain him.

    Reports suggest that prior to the video, the man had been involved in a physical fight with the police officers. Perhaps Officer McStompy's adrenaline was up. That's still not an excuse to put the boot in.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Boogie wrote: »
    Any police officer who can't keep their temper in check should not be a police officer.

    There should be much better vetting of who gets in.

    Utterly appalling and concerning behaviour.

    Especially an armed one.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    It shows the risk of escalation with armed officers - the justification put forward so far is that they were at risk of losing control of their firearms.
  • The only possible justification for this would have been to disable a suspected bomber, in my opinion. But that fairly clearly wasn't happening in this situation.

    Also it appears that the officer concerned was carrying a stun device or taser rather than an automatic weapon. I'm not an expert and could be wrong.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    KarlLB wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjk3ppjjlpmo

    If your first reaction to this is "good, like to see them putting the boot in", you're a fascist. A police state, rule by fear of unrestrained brutality, fascist.

    You may suspect it was justified, or indeed suspect not. But the assumption that life endangering violence was justified is fascism.

    It's hard to see how one could reasonably justify the actions shown in the video. Violently subduing someone who is actively fighting you is one thing, but the man in the video is lying on the floor, there's what appears to be a woman in a hijab putting restraints on him (don't know if she's border control, or what), and two uniformed police officers with drawn tasers. One of the police officers decides to kick the man in the head (whilst he's lying stationary face down on the floor), then stamp on his head, before continuing to restrain him.

    Reports suggest that prior to the video, the man had been involved in a physical fight with the police officers. Perhaps Officer McStompy's adrenaline was up. That's still not an excuse to put the boot in.

    It does sound like the assault on the man on the ground was an act of revenge. I agree with the BIB

  • I'm a bit surprised that Reform are going in so early, and so hard. I guess they feel they must make an early impression, and pull people away from Labour. I would have thought the well 'ard image will attract some people, and repel others. Well, fascism always does.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    I'm a bit surprised that Reform are going in so early, and so hard. I guess they feel they must make an early impression, and pull people away from Labour. I would have thought the well 'ard image will attract some people, and repel others. Well, fascism always does.

    A bad move by Reform IMO.

    The most famous UK fascist was a Labour MP but I accept that times change
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited July 2024
    As someone who has both witnessed police brutality and been subjected to criminal violence, I agree that it's always important to take into account the larger context.

    However...

    ...my constituents...are fed up with seeing police dancing around rainbows and being nice to people.

    Yeah, okay. I don't think this is just about doing a nuanced analysis of one particular case.

    (And, yeah, I know, "being nice to people" prob'ly means something like "mollycoddling thugs", but phrasing it that way just sounds hilariously sociopathic.)
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Lee Goebbels Anderson is so personally obnoxious and insulting on social media to anyone who disagrees with him that the only people willing to give him their opinion would be the thugs and idiots he's talking about here.

    Mind, a lot of LGBT+ people don't want police at Pride either, but for different reasons.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    I'm sure that 30p Lee for once is telling the truth when he says he's got constituents who think like him. Every constituency has them. Whether the voters in his constituency are quite the phalanx - should that be falange? - of unity on this, he'd like to give the impression they are, I doubt.


  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Enoch wrote: »
    I'm sure that 30p Lee for once is telling the truth when he says he's got constituents who think like him. Every constituency has them. Whether the voters in his constituency are quite the phalanx - should that be falange? - of unity on this, he'd like to give the impression they are, I doubt.


    Like I say, most of those who don't would have better ways to spend their time than being insulted and ridiculed by him for it.
  • I'm a bit surprised that Reform are going in so early, and so hard. I guess they feel they must make an early impression, and pull people away from Labour. I would have thought the well 'ard image will attract some people, and repel others. Well, fascism always does.

    Their strategy relies on the sense of a constantly rolling crisis.
  • Telford wrote: »
    I'm a bit surprised that Reform are going in so early, and so hard. I guess they feel they must make an early impression, and pull people away from Labour. I would have thought the well 'ard image will attract some people, and repel others. Well, fascism always does.

    A bad move by Reform IMO.

    The most famous UK fascist was a Labour MP but I accept that times change

    Yes, but he left the Labour Party to set up his own fascist one. Stalin initially set out to train for the priesthood.

    Does that mean times have changed, or does it simply illustrate that people do?

    I agree with you on your interpretation of the incident captured on camera. It looks like a revenge attack.

    I've seen police officers exercise calmness and restraint under pressure. Far more than I could have done.

    But yes, this officer seems to have completely lost his cool, however much provocation preceded the incident. I understand a female police officer had her nose broken and others were assaulted.

    I heard the full interview with Andy Burnham and he was very careful and balanced in what he said.

    Unlike the two real buffoons, the Reform MPs, demonstrating if any proof were needed that a vote for Reform is a vote for some of the nastiest people in British politics.

    Shame on them. Shame on anyone who voted for them.
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