The Deep State
I'm being DUMB I'm sure... but on Sunday afternoon, 2pm, I just came off the M69 on to the A5 N and a police wagon stopped me. The traffic built up behind for a minute, it must have rippled up the '69. Then a squadron of police cars appeared from the A5 S followed, alternately, by three or four huge military transports with containers on the back, interspersed by police trucks the like of which I'd never seen before, with another squadron of police cars at the tail. They must have gone on the M69 N.
WHAT was going on? What was being moved? From where to where?
And why invoke the DUMB? This most probably came from a surface base. There are underground command centres for sure. Former RAF Strike Command for one. Under the porous chalk of Wiltshire? When I was in Gibraltar, 2.6 sq. mi. footprint, I was told it has a thousand miles of roads. London has 15 miles of road per square mile. So Gib could manage 40 in its footprint. 25 layers. Call it 100 miles of narrow roads. Just 10 layers. Including over a thousand feet up in the Rock. And a thousand down. Safe from an H bomb. 100 feet a layer. No problem. Everyone knows about the vast non-public London Underground.
I remember New Scientist, a quarter century ago, doing superb failed debunks. One was on anomalous radio traffic. In my fevered false memories I remember correlation with the aforementioned secret railway. Especially beneath Hampstead. Stories about RAF Gaydon on Edge Hill; trains playing the shell game with nukes to other hills under Russian satellites in the 60s. (Similar to a game I saw the Americans play with missile launchers on the Munich-Stuttgart autobahn 45 years ago. Scared the bejaysus out of me.)
It was seeing a very good old Silent Witness, with a wrecked underground nuclear train that started this coalescence. All conspiracist nonsense I'm sure.
WHAT was going on? What was being moved? From where to where?
And why invoke the DUMB? This most probably came from a surface base. There are underground command centres for sure. Former RAF Strike Command for one. Under the porous chalk of Wiltshire? When I was in Gibraltar, 2.6 sq. mi. footprint, I was told it has a thousand miles of roads. London has 15 miles of road per square mile. So Gib could manage 40 in its footprint. 25 layers. Call it 100 miles of narrow roads. Just 10 layers. Including over a thousand feet up in the Rock. And a thousand down. Safe from an H bomb. 100 feet a layer. No problem. Everyone knows about the vast non-public London Underground.
I remember New Scientist, a quarter century ago, doing superb failed debunks. One was on anomalous radio traffic. In my fevered false memories I remember correlation with the aforementioned secret railway. Especially beneath Hampstead. Stories about RAF Gaydon on Edge Hill; trains playing the shell game with nukes to other hills under Russian satellites in the 60s. (Similar to a game I saw the Americans play with missile launchers on the Munich-Stuttgart autobahn 45 years ago. Scared the bejaysus out of me.)
It was seeing a very good old Silent Witness, with a wrecked underground nuclear train that started this coalescence. All conspiracist nonsense I'm sure.
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There’s an eastern route and a western route. When they cross between the two for whatever reason they go past where you were held up.
The rest of the post…. Where to start?
Given what the DUMB link goes to, and that nothing you mention really connects with “ a conspiracy theory that children being trafficked by the Deep State are being held in secret military bases underground. Conspiracy theorists believe earthquakes are caused by members of the military freeing children from these bases and arresting members of the Deep State,” indeed, why bring that in?
Removed duplicate quote. BroJames, Purgatory Host
Beneath the silos? Earth Martin, and eventually magma.
Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers? (I’ve never seen that movie nor its sequel… more here: )
https://youtu.be/3Bw1xcORWGE?si=KV5CeOjGoZUdoQbW
Conceptually between the conspiracist nonsense and nuclear weapons stores and active command centres (like the radio active Hampstead one off the Underground).
The UK doesn't have launch silos. France did. Targeting Germany. Up until '96.
Do you suspect you witnessed a portage of sorts, then?
Sorry. I don't think military very often. Except when the occassional heliocopter goes over our property here among the farms....
Right, and I assumed you were responding to the previous comment which mentioned them, rather than free associating.
There's no shortage of serious investigative works that you could look at if it's an actual concern.
Exactly, and the reality is pretty mundane. The subject of nuclear weapons obviously has people for and against, but the day to day reality while the rights and wrongs are debated is mundane rather than James Bond.
I couldn't have been a submariner on the trident force. Aside from the one moment of terminal excitement, which no one in their right mind wants to happen, it's an incredibly tedious existence.
No concern. Just fascination. I remember New Scientist, again, a quarter century ago reporting on how the SBS tested UK nuclear power station security. The first one station new about it was when they dropped in to the control room. As you say, mundane. No Commander Bond shenanigans. One traumatized manager had to retire on ill health. Never recovered.
So, no one can comment on the secret London Underground?
It feels like you've tried posting on the /r/conspiracy subreddit and by some magical computer trickery have instead posted it on a forum where people admire the colour of rail carriages.
though obviously you've painted a target on yourself there. Rail*way* carriages. This matters.
Why? Because it's secret.
There's always back issues of Lobster Magazine.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/27/world/europe/london-tunnels-tourism.html?unlocked_article_code=1._k0.m_XN.cc3HeJPwkp20&smid=url-share
Probably not at all what you are looking for.
I'm intrigued by the idea of a radio-active bit just off the Underground near Hampstead. Can you give any further information @Martin54 ?
As for the Hampstead numbers station, or whatever it was... is, I'd have to get a New Scientist subscription and plumb the archives. I'll try a ham radio forum first. Believe me, despite my failing memory, The Truth Is Out There! In the NS archives. I've never forgotten the story or series style.
Tip o' the iceberg @Kendel!
Just be careful--one wrong turn and you might run into the labyrinth where the goblins live, or blunder into a cavern with statues of the Seven Deadly Enemies of Man, or...
Of course, I do not believe in a literal hell, but that is not the issue here.
1) No you don't. You need to take a research field trip!
Your local university library has it in print back to 1956. Their databases are too recent I suspect. Mine goes back to 2002.
It was indexed in the U.S. in "Chemical Abstracts." Not sure about over there.
They give library cards to the public.
It's a good idea to email the reference desk or call and ask about where to find New Scientist (Also New Scientist and Science Journal; they merged, but it's all in the same library catalog record).
In your email or call, you can ask what index you should use to navigate.
2) Of course it is! Now get yourself to the library!
3) Obviously. I hadn't gotten to anything involving the shunting of human waste. One must dig deeper, I expect.
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/more-on-the-secret-tunnel-under-whitehall-1760/
Also, people who work at St Thomas's Hospital have long believed there is a tunnel under the Thames from the hospital to the Houses of Parliament -but I don't know anyone who has actually seen it!
I assume that t=$ means “time is money.” What is frangible (brittle) time, in that case? And why would you have to pay for it? 🤷
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Er ... no.
He doesn't have the spare time to actually look at the subject which purportedly fascinates him.
I very much doubt there's anything radioactive in those lesser known structures, beyond possibly a bit of radon accumulation (but, not very much as the natural soil and rock of London isn't very rich in uranium). Some hospital radiotherapy sources were housed in basements where they could be more easily shielded, and it's possible one has been left there forgotten and unattended - but entirely safe.
I couldn't comment on active military underground facilities, by the very nature of such things no one advertises to the potential enemy where your backup command and control systems are. We don't have billboards in bright colours saying "Secret Bunker this way" ... except in Fife, of course.
Though you can piece together the sort of thing it used to be from a lot of open source information these days. The plans for Burlington (continuation of government bunker in Wiltshire) were as bleak as anything Ballard or Shute could come up with.
One detail that has always stuck in my mind, bearing in mind we're talking about the 70s and 80s here, is that they had a whole minuted discussion on the need for a 'motherly' figure to be recruited and given a berth in the bunker, so that all the male (and it was mostly going to be men) staff would have someone to cry to about their lost/vaporised families and the end of the world outside the doors.
There is another one at Kelvedon Hatch in Essex.
Next time the programme is on, just listen. You'll know.
Warning specially for @Martin54. This is a joke! And for mystified shipmates outside the UK, this is what I'm talking about.
Trust no one George. Everyone Lies.