G*ddam car trouble

The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
2017 VW Passat. Purchased used in 2021. Staring down the barrel of a third multi-thousand dollar repair, this time for a rebuilt or new transmission. Thought I had truly endured the worst of big ticket repairs when we replaced the fuel injectors nine months ago. Thought wrong. Can't justify sinking more money into it. Trade-in value reduced to pennies on the dollar. Brain is stuck. Have always been averse to the idea of buying new cars. Have only ever bought one new car in my 38 years of driving, and it was as basic a Honda Civic you could find, six weeks before our first child was born back in 2000. Used car prices are still awful. Mrs. The Riv is pretty adamant about going New. Ugh.
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  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    I've found personal lease quite good and you can trade in your current.
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    Sadly, we do too much annual driving for a lease to make sense.
  • That's bad luck, 3 big repair bills. New cars give me the willies, as their value plummets from day one, although I guess you get the warranty. I drive Hondas, very reliable.
  • Yikes yikes yikes yikes. Very sorry. No fun at all. (We've got three cars of a certain age, two of them over 100,000 miles. Yeah, we live in the repair shop)
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    That's bad luck, 3 big repair bills. New cars give me the willies, as their value plummets from day one, although I guess you get the warranty. I drive Hondas, very reliable.
    That's probably Mrs. The Riv's preference -- or a Nissan. Brother-in-law has a 2017 Subaru Outback he'd be willing to part with, and it's been very well cared for, but it has upwards of 80,000mi., and is therefore a ticking time bomb AFAIC.
    Yikes yikes yikes yikes. Very sorry. No fun at all. (We've got three cars of a certain age, two of them over 100,000 miles. Yeah, we live in the repair shop)
    Sure, and I understand that when you take on a used car that's beyond its warranties and racking up the miles that things are going to need repairing/replacing: an alternator, a fuel pump (when cars had fuel pumps), the timing belt, tires(!) -- those were the things we braced for -- god forbid the rear engine oil seal goes! But this VW beats them all. Even before this transmission issue it already needed a different oil seal/gasket replaced and at least one new front wheel bearing. The first two years of ownership were blissful. Never had a car this nice. The last two years have been pretty frustrating, though, and not inexpensive for a couple of teachers in the Deep South where teaching salaries are poor. So it's "choose your hard" time: a monthly payment in the hundreds, or the inevitability of recurring repair bills on something far cheaper at the outset. Again: ugh.

  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    I bought a brand new Skoda Octavia in 2006 and it was very reliable. Had to trade it in 2 years ago because we needed something which was easier to get in. We have a Skoda Yeti ( I always buy from Local garages ) Do less than two thousand miles a year, mainly for medical appointments and to charge the battery in winter. The only problem I have has been an air leak from the wheel rim but that has hopefully been sorted.

    I am no longer a confident driver.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Our 14 year old Skoda Fabia has not done a lot of miles but has suffered a bit from corrosion with the damp salt air here. It's just had the second rear suspension strut welded back into place (<£150 because our mechanic undercharges for labour) and is likely to need a new rear axle in due course. We're starting to think about replacement when something expensive goes, but having a cheap mechanic does extend the economic life of a vehicle (as does not needing to get it through an MOT if it stays on the island).
  • My 24 year old Skoda Felicia was sold to a local scrap yard earlier this year, after a brake problem which was sorted enough to get me back to Oxfordshire from the northern Lake District, but was likely to recurr and be even more expensive to fix. I'd had it from new. :cry: Some welding last year, and I doubt I could've afforded to get it through the MOT next year, but it lasted well.

    I still need to get a replacement car before winter. Might be another Skoda, although probably second-hand due to current finances.
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    We can’t get Skodas here in the US. :disappointed:
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    The_Riv wrote: »
    We can’t get Skodas here in the US. :disappointed:

    They are not the most popular of cars. Not even car thieves seem to bother with them.
    One thing I have noticed about second hand cars is the improvement in the bodywork

  • Alas! many classic British cars were very prone to early rusting, but yes, these days, bodywork seems to stay in good(ish) condition for much longer. There's no rust on my 9-year old Ford Fiesta, though there are a few scrapes (my bad, mostly).

    My former stepson was (and maybe still is) a skilled mechanic, and for some years kept me supplied - free of charge - with cars to get me to and from work. They were usually MoT or insurance write-offs, which he repaired so that they would once more meet MoT etc. requirements, but none of them were particularly smart in appearance!

    The old rear-engined Skodas were often sneered at, but a couple of people I knew each possessed one, and found that they were actually very reliable, especially in cold/snowy weather. Built for Eastern European winters, I suppose...
  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    I remember the Skoda jokes of the 1980s. (How do you double the value of a Skoda? Fill it with petrol). Things have changed a lot since then. They seem to be particularly popular with taxi drivers due to their reliability.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    Aren't they basically VWs with a different badge ?
  • Other way round, Volkswagen Audi Group engine, different bodywork.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    my oldest brother had a small diesel Skoda in the early 1980s. I'm not sure of the model. He lent it to me and I remember pulling up to service the diesel pump at a service station. The attendant raced out shouting, "Don't use that pump!" I stopped and he said, " That pump is diesel" - he didn't actually say "you stupid woman", but his tone of voice hinted at it.

    "Thanks for the warning, but the car runs on diesel", I said.

    He muttered something about weird foreign cars.

  • Ooooh, pure top-shelf hardcore steamy smutty choochoo porn! Down boy, down!
  • Lucky me! I've actually seen big Skodas (not quite like this one, but just as muscular and powerful) at the border station in Gmund, Austria...
    :grin:

    Ahem. Apologies for the tangent. Back to cars...
  • Other way round, Volkswagen Audi Group engine, different bodywork.

    It depends on how old they are, till the mid 2010s VW ran with their platform concept, and since then the MQB matrix has taken over, which maps to a fair amount of commonality between components and their placement (especially engines and transmission).
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    SKODA is a huge sponsor or World Tour Cycling, which is howI learned about them initially. I'd buy one for that reason alone if I could. The wretched car that inspired this thread is a VW, but that's not quite the same.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Aren't they basically VWs with a different badge ?

    Yes but a bit less expensive and a few less refinements
  • Riv

    If you cannot think of getting a new car either by buying or leasing. I say look again. We have leased our last two cars. We go for 15,000 miles per year on the lease. We went over that last year due to the death of my mother. The over charges were deducted from the trade in value which we applied to the new lease.

    Short of that, look to purchase a fleet return. These cars have been well maintained and many may still have warranty coverage.

    Then look for repair insurance. Granted, this may seem high, but as you have pointed out, it could go a long way to taking care of a major repair bill.
  • The_Riv wrote: »
    2017 VW Passat. Purchased used in 2021. Staring down the barrel of a third multi-thousand dollar repair, this time for a rebuilt or new transmission. Thought I had truly endured the worst of big ticket repairs when we replaced the fuel injectors nine months ago. Thought wrong. Can't justify sinking more money into it. Trade-in value reduced to pennies on the dollar. Brain is stuck. Have always been averse to the idea of buying new cars. Have only ever bought one new car in my 38 years of driving, and it was as basic a Honda Civic you could find, six weeks before our first child was born back in 2000. Used car prices are still awful. Mrs. The Riv is pretty adamant about going New. Ugh.

    It can definitely be expensive. I don’t know much about mechanics. I want to learn though. My job is currently always between 3am-330pm. Often it’s 5am-130pm. But they are going to work with me to do 3am-11pm. Monday through Friday. Sometime soon I’m entering into an auto mechanic trade school part time. 230pm-530pm Monday through Wednesday for four years. It’s a master automotive mechanic course for $5-6k. They have 3 months dedicated to just rebuilding and installing transmissions. I’m doing it so I can learn how to work on all of my
    Own stuff and maybe make some side money. My job is in an aluminum mill doing tool and die work, installs and press operations. So the mechanic thing won’t really help. But it’s for personal use. I also have been talking with an auto mechanic company near my to work Saturdays 10-12 hours and Sunday 8 hours. Like 5am-5pm with paid 30 min lunch on Saturday and 5am-1pm on Sunday. Just for a few years to develop the skills I’m learning.

    The house I’m building I am doing a mini mechanic shop in the garbage. Just a small 24x28 two story house on pilings made of concrete and steel. It’s like $5k to have and hydraulic lift installed for working on vehicles but I think it will be worth it to be able to do it down the road. 35 now. Hopefully at least another 50 years of cognitive and physical health.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    My mechanic has a car lift at home (and enough land to park his waiting list of vehicles) which is how he's able to keep his prices low.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    My garage is a 'one man band' He's reliable and very friendly. If necessary he will collect the car and bring it back. He just charges a fair price for the work he does.
  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    Telford wrote: »
    My garage is a 'one man band' He's reliable and very friendly. If necessary he will collect the car and bring it back. He just charges a fair price for the work he does.

    They are often the best ones. They rely on repeat business and recommendations, so they invariably do a really good job.
  • Gracious RebelGracious Rebel Shipmate
    edited August 2024
    My fairly ancient (2008) Suzuki Splash scared me today by randomly over revving on an airport trip this morning to drop off my sister who's been staying .... there didn't seem much power and I found it quite hard to get it to travel above 60mph. A friend who knows a bit about cars is coming to have a look tomorrow evening, but has advised me not to drive it in the meantime, so need to get up early enough to walk to church tomorrow! I feel very vulnerable with any car problems now that I'm on my own - my partner who died in January used to work in a garage, so understood these things, and could advise me when a problem was serious enough to take in to garage, when to consider replacing it etc etc. Now I just feel clueless and panicky at the thought of being without a car ... and cant really afford to buy another right now.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Took my car in yesterday. It was making a terrible noise. I was advised to permanently remove the Oasis CD
  • Telford wrote: »
    Took my car in yesterday. It was making a terrible noise. I was advised to permanently remove the Oasis CD
    :lol:


  • I don't know how things are where you are, but in the UK it's possible to buy secondhand cars which have been fully checked & serviced with a 1-3 warranty. My Kia was bought second hand from a Kia dealership and had a full 7 year warranty. Over the years it's been quite expensive to run with a replacement clutch, brake pads and battery, but I've never regretted buying second hand. With the used options available and the quick depreciation in value of used cars, I doubt I'll ever buy a new car.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Took my car in yesterday. It was making a terrible noise. I was advised to permanently remove the Oasis CD

    Did you respond "Definitely, Maybe"?
  • Hillel wrote: »
    I don't know how things are where you are, but in the UK it's possible to buy secondhand cars which have been fully checked & serviced with a 1-3 warranty.
    Quite possible in the US. In 36 years of marriage, we’ve bought 7 cars (I think). Only one of them was new when we bought it.


  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited September 2024
    Hillel wrote: »
    I don't know how things are where you are, but in the UK it's possible to buy secondhand cars which have been fully checked & serviced with a 1-3 warranty. My Kia was bought second hand from a Kia dealership and had a full 7 year warranty. Over the years it's been quite expensive to run with a replacement clutch, brake pads and battery, but I've never regretted buying second hand. With the used options available and the quick depreciation in value of used cars, I doubt I'll ever buy a new car.

    This.

    There is a Young Man here in Arkland who sells cars (they are on site), and I've had 3 from him in the past 12 years - one was a bright red Seat Ibiza which I gave to a friend when I became epileptic in 2015, and had to give up my licence, the next was a kingfisher blue Ford Fiesta lost in the Great Flood of 2019, and the current vehicle is another Fiesta. It is Dark White (or Light Black).

    All the Young Man Of Arkland's cars are in excellent condition, come with a 1 year warranty (which he will extend, for a small fee), and are very reasonably priced. He is my go-to person if I need another, and, happily, there is an excellent Mechanical Man in Our Town who specialises in mending small Fords, and to whom I shall be going next month for the MoT...
  • So, a good news / bad news update from me:

    The Good: Mrs. The Riv and I purchased her brother-in-law's 2017 Subaru Outback. It has been meticulously cared for by the local Subrau dealership, and even though it has 80k miles it's in excellent shape. He even did some advance maintenance and a rather large repair in preparation for the transfer, which was incredibly generous on his part (he can afford it much more than we can). Additionally, because of the way private sale laws are down here, and since my sister-in-law's name was actually on the title for the car, she actually sold it to my wife's father, who immediately re-sold it to my wife the next day. That way no one had to pay sales tax. Oddly, if my wife's sister had sold it directly to my wife, we'd have had to pay sales tax.

    The Bad: the cost of necessary repairs to my aforementioned VW Passat supersede its trade-in value, which means I have a large, worthless asset to dispose of. The repair shope where it still sits doesn't want it. The VW dealership doesn't want it. A junk yard *might* give me a couple hundred dollars for it to be able to "part it out" over time, but that's the most I can hope for, I'm afraid, unless I can move to someone via FaceBook Marketplace who's a savvy home mechanic. In the meantime, I have to keep liability insurance on it, so I want to do something soon.

    The Status Quo: I will continue to drive what used to be our kids' car when they were in high school -- a 2009 Saturn Aura with a number of scratches, dents and crunches, not the least of which is a front end that's partially caved in from Mrs. The Riv hitting a deer a couple of years ago. 137,000 miles and counting with no redeeming value other than it's been paid off for some time. I'll take it(!), and when we have this Subaru paid off, we'll probably trade-in the Saturn for something else for me before it becomes a worthless asset like the VW. Fingers crossed (and the appropriate Santeria rituals as often as necessary) to keep it running well enough until then.
  • Hope you can dispose of the Passat easily @The_Riv , and that the Saturn keeps running as long as needed. As long as the financial checks on Monday go through ok, I will be buying a new second-hand Skoda from the local dealers, with serious help from my parents in providing a deposit of about half the cost.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    With our Skoda nearing the end of its life we're looking seriously at a lease. There are some very good deals around just now. Eyeing up a GWM ORA 03 for less than £200 a month including maintenance with no deposit.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    My sister has driven Skodas for years (IIRC her late husband had one as a work car and she bought it when he died, 15 years ago).

    She and three of her children all drive Skodas; they're absolutely not the joke cars they used to be.
  • Skoda was a well-respected brand before WWII - so much so in fact that the factory was a prime target for being converted to produce for the military after the Nazis annexed Czechoslovakia.

    If you really wanted a "joke" car in the 1980s/90s you bought a Lada.
  • The RogueThe Rogue Shipmate
    edited September 2024
    Skoda did run an advertising campaign where people thought a car couldn't have been a Skoda because it was too good. They usually made me smile.
  • Gracious RebelGracious Rebel Shipmate
    edited September 2024
    Came out of home group tonight to find a passive aggressive note on my windscreen as someone didn't like where I'd parked....that I can cope with, but the fact that they'd also snapped one of my windscreen wipers brought out some unholy thoughts. Especially as it was raining a little and had to limp home without using the wipers. It's too dark to see if I can 'snap it back' will have to look in daylight but I suspect this will mean a trip to the garage tomorrow for a new wiper....or possibly they only come in pairs...?
  • Oh, I’m sorry. That sort of thing sticks in the mind. 🙁
  • Came out of home group tonight to find a passive aggressive note on my windscreen as someone didn't like where I'd parked....that I can cope with, but the fact that they'd also snapped one of my windscreen wipers brought out some unholy thoughts. Especially as it was raining a little and had to limp home without using the wipers. It's too dark to see if I can 'snap it back' will have to look in daylight but I suspect this will mean a trip to the garage tomorrow for a new wiper....or possibly they only come in pairs...?

    Wiper blades come singly, and are easy to install. On many cars, there are two front wiper blades of different lengths. If they snapped the wiper arm, that's slightly more work to replace, but it's not too bad.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    People keep blocking my driveway with their cars. It hadn't occurred to me to snap off a windshield wiper.
  • MamacitaMamacita Shipmate
    edited October 2024
    @The_Riv , I hope you enjoy your new-to-you Subaru. I have a 2015 Forester with 90k miles on it, and I love it.
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    edited October 2024
    Ruth wrote: »
    People keep blocking my driveway with their cars. It hadn't occurred to me to snap off a windshield wiper.

    First you snap the wiper blade. Then you have the offending car towed.

    All good so far, @Mamacita! Thanks!
  • The Bad: the cost of necessary repairs to my aforementioned VW Passat supersede its trade-in value, which means I have a large, worthless asset to dispose of. The repair shope where it still sits doesn't want it. The VW dealership doesn't want it. A junk yard *might* give me a couple hundred dollars for it to be able to "part it out" over time, but that's the most I can hope for, I'm afraid, unless I can move to someone via FaceBook Marketplace who's a savvy home mechanic. In the meantime, I have to keep liability insurance on it, so I want to do something soon.

    Over the years I have donated a couple of worthless cars to Cars for (A given charity). I get a small tax deduction, and they get a vehicle that can be stripped for parts for proceeds or used for training programs. Not sure what may be around where you live, but you might want to check it out.
  • Indeed. The tax deduction is so small anymore, though. :neutral: Lots of organizations are making this option known, though, particularly as the end of the calendar year approaches. Thanks for the reminder.
  • I decided it was time for an objective evaluation of 52 years worth of our cars - ten of them, or 11 if you count the lovely Triumph Stag that I drove a little but couldn't afford to restore (but which unintentionally turned out to be a most satisfactory investment).

    My conclusion is that the best cars by far have been the red ones, and the worst were silver grey, with the blue ones coming close. The actual worst, just beating out a Mitsubishi, was a small Subaru, badly matched to a transmission that would have been better suited to a washing machine, and with abominable handling and roadholding compared with the more familiar VWs. Tragically, after only a few months it was written off after a flood that got water into its electrickery, and I had difficulty hiding my joy from the insurance man. The current car is a VW diesel with a manual transmission - a delight to drive. It is red, of course.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    I agree entirely that red cars are delightful -- I bought a red Honda off my brother, and it was 24 when I finally decided it needed more upkeep than I cared to provide. But have you tried bright yellow? I have a yellow Honda, almost 10 years old, that runs extremely well, corners nicely, gets great gas mileage, and has back seats that fold down into the footwell to create a lot of room in the back when I need it. And I can always find it in parking lots!
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    It's well know to those of us of a certain nerdy persuasion that "red wunz go fasta".
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