Boris loses the plot....

KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
...this may be more suitable for Heaven or even The Circus but I dunno, the bloke was PM and some people still think he isn't a complete Fucktrumpet.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/26/the-gospel-according-to-boris-johnson-its-the-churchs-fault-our-kids-are-overweight
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  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    I have to ask, I'm far from convinced Boris had the plot in the first place. So how could he lose it?
  • While I agree (and what streets did he play in?) this article might be of interest: https://tinyurl.com/yc3e6dxm
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    On my phone, at least, I’m finding it impossible to read that article. I’m not sure whether it’s a paywall, or just how the advertising works.
  • Can't help, I'm afraid.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    BroJames wrote: »
    On my phone, at least, I’m finding it impossible to read that article. I’m not sure whether it’s a paywall, or just how the advertising works.
    On my laptop I get a large pop-up that can't be dismissed with a subscription offer and link for subscribers to sign in. Looks like a deliberate move by the paper to limit reading to paid subscribers.
  • Baptist TrainfanBaptist Trainfan Shipmate
    edited November 2024
    Oh well ... I can read it, on my laptop, and I'm not a subscriber.

    I do buy the print edition, but my computer doesn't know that!
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    BroJames wrote: »
    On my phone, at least, I’m finding it impossible to read that article. I’m not sure whether it’s a paywall, or just how the advertising works.
    On my laptop I get a large pop-up that can't be dismissed with a subscription offer and link for subscribers to sign in. Looks like a deliberate move by the paper to limit reading to paid subscribers.

    The Guardian doesn't have a paywall. It's the John Crace politics sketch.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Aye, the Guardian is OK. It's the link to the i that is causing me grief.
  • Firenze wrote: »
    BroJames wrote: »
    On my phone, at least, I’m finding it impossible to read that article. I’m not sure whether it’s a paywall, or just how the advertising works.
    On my laptop I get a large pop-up that can't be dismissed with a subscription offer and link for subscribers to sign in. Looks like a deliberate move by the paper to limit reading to paid subscribers.

    The Guardian doesn't have a paywall. It's the John Crace politics sketch.

    Really? I get taken to an article on the inews site by Iain Dale entitled "Boris Johnson is right: the Church is partly to blame for obesity crisis"
  • That's the one!
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    ...this may be more suitable for Heaven or even The Circus but I dunno, the bloke was PM and some people still think he isn't a complete Fucktrumpet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/26/the-gospel-according-to-boris-johnson-its-the-churchs-fault-our-kids-are-overweight

    Yeah, guy whose recent weight loss is down to Ozempic complains about not being able to do the very thing that he does in print.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    KarlLB wrote: »
    ...this may be more suitable for Heaven or even The Circus but I dunno, the bloke was PM and some people still think he isn't a complete Fucktrumpet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/26/the-gospel-according-to-boris-johnson-its-the-churchs-fault-our-kids-are-overweight
    Several commenters are convinced he wants to be an MP again otherwise he would just keep on the money train of speaking.
    I saw this yesterday. The man just says anything when put on the spot.
  • Oh well ... I can read it, on my laptop, and I'm not a subscriber.

    I do buy the print edition, but my computer doesn't know that!

    Are you sure about that?
  • Pretty sure, although I have occasionally emailed Letters to the Editor, some of which have been printed.
  • Hugal wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    ...this may be more suitable for Heaven or even The Circus but I dunno, the bloke was PM and some people still think he isn't a complete Fucktrumpet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/26/the-gospel-according-to-boris-johnson-its-the-churchs-fault-our-kids-are-overweight
    Several commenters are convinced he wants to be an MP again otherwise he would just keep on the money train of speaking.

    Or he has very little thought beyond seeking attention.
  • Firenze wrote: »
    BroJames wrote: »
    On my phone, at least, I’m finding it impossible to read that article. I’m not sure whether it’s a paywall, or just how the advertising works.
    On my laptop I get a large pop-up that can't be dismissed with a subscription offer and link for subscribers to sign in. Looks like a deliberate move by the paper to limit reading to paid subscribers.

    The Guardian doesn't have a paywall. It's the John Crace politics sketch.

    Really? I get taken to an article on the inews site by Iain Dale entitled "Boris Johnson is right: the Church is partly to blame for obesity crisis"

    I got to read part of it and then the giant ad showed up in front of it, with no way to dismiss it.
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    ...this may be more suitable for Heaven or even The Circus but I dunno, the bloke was PM and some people still think he isn't a complete Fucktrumpet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/26/the-gospel-according-to-boris-johnson-its-the-churchs-fault-our-kids-are-overweight

    Yet another attempt to get me to give money to this newspaper. No way Jose.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Happily for you and others you don’t actually have to pay to read the Guardian article.
  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    ...this may be more suitable for Heaven or even The Circus but I dunno, the bloke was PM and some people still think he isn't a complete Fucktrumpet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/26/the-gospel-according-to-boris-johnson-its-the-churchs-fault-our-kids-are-overweight

    Yet another attempt to get me to give money to this newspaper. No way Jose.

    I don’t understand. You can read this without paying, as you can with all Guardian articles
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Reminds me of the Question Papers in 1066 and All That -

    'Would you say that Edward the Confessor was directly responsible for the French Revolution? If so, what would you say?'
  • Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    ...this may be more suitable for Heaven or even The Circus but I dunno, the bloke was PM and some people still think he isn't a complete Fucktrumpet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/26/the-gospel-according-to-boris-johnson-its-the-churchs-fault-our-kids-are-overweight

    Yet another attempt to get me to give money to this newspaper. No way Jose.

    Bugger. You figured it out. I won't get my commission now. :disappointed:
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    I think some people see the pop ups on the independent and the guardian and don’t see the small print options to dismiss them or “subscribe later”.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    I think some people see the pop ups on the independent and the guardian and don’t see the small print options to dismiss them or “subscribe later”.

    You'll have to help me then because I can't find an X or a "subscribe later" option on the Indy's popup.
  • I think some people see the pop ups on the independent and the guardian and don’t see the small print options to dismiss them or “subscribe later”.

    You'll have to help me then because I can't find an X or a "subscribe later" option on the Indy's popup.

    It might be "I'll do it later"
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    No. I'm sorry. Wrong tense. He lost the plot long ago. This is just more evidence in support of @KarlLB's succinct summary of the man's inner essence in the word he chose in his opening post.

  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    KarlLB wrote: »
    I think some people see the pop ups on the independent and the guardian and don’t see the small print options to dismiss them or “subscribe later”.

    You'll have to help me then because I can't find an X or a "subscribe later" option on the Indy's popup.

    It might be "I'll do it later"

    Nope.
  • The "i" and the "Indy" are not the same paper.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    The "i" and the "Indy" are not the same paper.

    Well, whichever one the tinyurl link goes to I encounter a paywall.
  • The "i" and the "Indy" are not the same paper.

    Well, whichever one the tinyurl link goes to I encounter a paywall.

    Agreed. I get the same for the i link.
  • BroJames wrote: »
    Happily for you and others you don’t actually have to pay to read the Guardian article.
    Spike wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    ...this may be more suitable for Heaven or even The Circus but I dunno, the bloke was PM and some people still think he isn't a complete Fucktrumpet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/26/the-gospel-according-to-boris-johnson-its-the-churchs-fault-our-kids-are-overweight

    Yet another attempt to get me to give money to this newspaper. No way Jose.

    I don’t understand. You can read this without paying, as you can with all Guardian articles
    I think some people see the pop ups on the independent and the guardian and don’t see the small print options to dismiss them or “subscribe later”.

    This person gets annoyed by pop ups and loses interest.

  • While I agree (and what streets did he play in?) this article might be of interest: https://tinyurl.com/yc3e6dxm

    Got into it via 12' ladder. I'll do five Hail Marys later in penance.

    I'm reminded of H L Mencken's comment that “For every complex problem there is a solution which is clear, simple and wrong.”

  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    Telford wrote: »
    BroJames wrote: »
    Happily for you and others you don’t actually have to pay to read the Guardian article.
    Spike wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    ...this may be more suitable for Heaven or even The Circus but I dunno, the bloke was PM and some people still think he isn't a complete Fucktrumpet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/26/the-gospel-according-to-boris-johnson-its-the-churchs-fault-our-kids-are-overweight

    Yet another attempt to get me to give money to this newspaper. No way Jose.

    I don’t understand. You can read this without paying, as you can with all Guardian articles
    I think some people see the pop ups on the independent and the guardian and don’t see the small print options to dismiss them or “subscribe later”.

    This person gets annoyed by pop ups and loses interest.

    So do all of us, but you can still read without paying
  • .
    Telford wrote: »
    BroJames wrote: »
    Happily for you and others you don’t actually have to pay to read the Guardian article.
    Spike wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    ...this may be more suitable for Heaven or even The Circus but I dunno, the bloke was PM and some people still think he isn't a complete Fucktrumpet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/26/the-gospel-according-to-boris-johnson-its-the-churchs-fault-our-kids-are-overweight

    Yet another attempt to get me to give money to this newspaper. No way Jose.

    I don’t understand. You can read this without paying, as you can with all Guardian articles
    I think some people see the pop ups on the independent and the guardian and don’t see the small print options to dismiss them or “subscribe later”.

    This person gets annoyed by pop ups and loses interest.

    But not sufficiently to not post about it.
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    .
    Telford wrote: »
    BroJames wrote: »
    Happily for you and others you don’t actually have to pay to read the Guardian article.
    Spike wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    ...this may be more suitable for Heaven or even The Circus but I dunno, the bloke was PM and some people still think he isn't a complete Fucktrumpet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/26/the-gospel-according-to-boris-johnson-its-the-churchs-fault-our-kids-are-overweight

    Yet another attempt to get me to give money to this newspaper. No way Jose.

    I don’t understand. You can read this without paying, as you can with all Guardian articles
    I think some people see the pop ups on the independent and the guardian and don’t see the small print options to dismiss them or “subscribe later”.

    This person gets annoyed by pop ups and loses interest.

    But not sufficiently to not post about it.
    If I wasn't annoyed, I wouldn't need to post about it.

  • Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    .
    Telford wrote: »
    BroJames wrote: »
    Happily for you and others you don’t actually have to pay to read the Guardian article.
    Spike wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    ...this may be more suitable for Heaven or even The Circus but I dunno, the bloke was PM and some people still think he isn't a complete Fucktrumpet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/26/the-gospel-according-to-boris-johnson-its-the-churchs-fault-our-kids-are-overweight

    Yet another attempt to get me to give money to this newspaper. No way Jose.

    I don’t understand. You can read this without paying, as you can with all Guardian articles
    I think some people see the pop ups on the independent and the guardian and don’t see the small print options to dismiss them or “subscribe later”.

    This person gets annoyed by pop ups and loses interest.

    But not sufficiently to not post about it.
    If I wasn't annoyed, I wouldn't need to post about it.

    This thread is for being annoyed that Johnson is being an utter twat again.

    If you want one to whine about newspapers having popups (in the case of the Grauniad a readily dismissible one) then start yer airn.
  • I submit that the decline in society is down to the demise of steam locos, which kept numerous boys and young men fully occupied for decades. When they were gone there was nothing to do but get involved in drugs, beer and girls.

    At a more serious level, I suggest that many children are fat because parents no longer feel it is safe to allow the massive freedom to roam that my generation had.
  • Sighthound wrote: »
    I submit that the decline in society is down to the demise of steam locos, which kept numerous boys and young men fully occupied for decades. When they were gone there was nothing to do but get involved in drugs, beer and girls.

    At a more serious level, I suggest that many children are fat because parents no longer feel it is safe to allow the massive freedom to roam that my generation had.

    Agreed, on both counts.
    :wink:

    Quite why the Church of England is perceived by the egregious Boris to be at fault is hard to fathom. I just wish the wretched man would go away and shut up, but I guess it's not in his nature to do so.
  • Clearly it must be a slow week.

    The fact that children today are on average rather plumper than those of a generation ago is not exactly news. @Sighthound suggests that it's because they're kept home on the couch in safety rather than roaming the surrounding area being active, and there's an element of truth in that. It's certainly also the case that the availability and variety of fast food has increased dramatically since I was a child. Personally, I put on a load of weight when I was traveling for work, because I was eating in restaurants all the time, and so eating more food than I would eat if I was preparing my own meal (and I didn't want to waste food, and did want to get my money's worth.)
  • Some fast food/junk food is, I'm told, cheaper than more healthy options, so presumably those who are finding the cost-of-living crisis hard to cope with are also those whose children are getting fatter.

    Alas! Quite apart from health issues, those children may grow up to look like Boris...
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    Some fast food/junk food is, I'm told, cheaper than more healthy options, so presumably those who are finding the cost-of-living crisis hard to cope with are also those whose children are getting fatter.

    Alas! Quite apart from health issues, those children may grow up to look like Boris...
    Bearing in mind his notoriety in another field of endeavour, there may be another reason for that.

  • Sighthound wrote: »
    At a more serious level, I suggest that many children are fat because parents no longer feel it is safe to allow the massive freedom to roam that my generation had.

    Which is in many ways tied to the decline of truly public third spaces that are safe and don't require payment.

    The UK is incredibly hostile to children, new developments tend to have far less green space than older estates, park maintenance is a very low priority and library funding has been cut by between a fifth and a third. Hanging around in shopping centres gets interpreted as antisocial.
  • Sighthound wrote: »
    At a more serious level, I suggest that many children are fat because parents no longer feel it is safe to allow the massive freedom to roam that my generation had.

    Which is in many ways tied to the decline of truly public third spaces that are safe and don't require payment.

    The UK is incredibly hostile to children, new developments tend to have far less green space than older estates, park maintenance is a very low priority and library funding has been cut by between a fifth and a third. Hanging around in shopping centres gets interpreted as antisocial.

    When I was a kid, I didn't play in parks. I played on waste ground where there were pit banks and the remains of pits. There were no youth clubs.

  • Telford wrote: »
    Sighthound wrote: »
    At a more serious level, I suggest that many children are fat because parents no longer feel it is safe to allow the massive freedom to roam that my generation had.

    Which is in many ways tied to the decline of truly public third spaces that are safe and don't require payment.

    The UK is incredibly hostile to children, new developments tend to have far less green space than older estates, park maintenance is a very low priority and library funding has been cut by between a fifth and a third. Hanging around in shopping centres gets interpreted as antisocial.

    When I was a kid, I didn't play in parks. I played on waste ground where there were pit banks and the remains of pits. There were no youth clubs.

    Now there is little waste ground or youth clubs, and getting to what there is means tackling an environment almost entirely oriented around getting motor vehicles moving as quickly as possible.

    It is incredibly hostile to children.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Telford wrote: »
    Sighthound wrote: »
    At a more serious level, I suggest that many children are fat because parents no longer feel it is safe to allow the massive freedom to roam that my generation had.

    Which is in many ways tied to the decline of truly public third spaces that are safe and don't require payment.

    The UK is incredibly hostile to children, new developments tend to have far less green space than older estates, park maintenance is a very low priority and library funding has been cut by between a fifth and a third. Hanging around in shopping centres gets interpreted as antisocial.

    When I was a kid, I didn't play in parks. I played on waste ground where there were pit banks and the remains of pits. There were no youth clubs.

    Well yes, but 80 years on the Luftwaffe haven't left as many convenient bits of waste ground.
  • And those bits there are are thoroughly fenced off to prevent kids getting in. You might as well say you used to play in the road, and expect kids to do that today.

    Somehow I can't imagine Boris ever had to play on waste ground.
  • I think urban 20 mph speed limits have helped make some environments less hostile to children and better for most people who live in those areas.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited December 2024
    Merry Vole wrote: »
    I think urban 20 mph speed limits have helped make some environments less hostile to children and better for most people who live in those areas.

    They have. And less hostile for road users without an engine. They're unquestionably a benefit, despite the naysayers who would sacrifice all these benefits for getting where they're going a few seconds faster.
  • "Yes, but your right to live intrudes on my right to drive like a twat!"
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited December 2024
    "Yes, but your right to live intrudes on my right to drive like a twat!"

    It's subtler than that. It's motornormativity - culturally driving is the normal default way to get around. Anything that impinges on that must be wrong. People who use another mode of transport when the norm would be to drive are suspect. Hence actually enforcing the law is portrayed as a "war on the motorist".
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