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  • ZappaZappa Shipmate
    Ruth wrote: »
    How many police officers would give a traffic ticket to their mom?

    Most that I have known, but that is in a different country. In Queensland, Australia, after the Fitzgerald enquiry into Possible Illegal Activities and Associated Police Misconduct (1987–1989), the findings were so strict, and at least when I was a Police Chaplain several years ago, so strictly adhered to, that any cop who failed to book their mother, partner, child et cetera for any offence would be in severe trouble, possibly including demotion or expulsion.

    It worked.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Zappa wrote: »
    Ruth wrote: »
    How many police officers would give a traffic ticket to their mom?

    Most that I have known, but that is in a different country.

    And besides, the wench is dead?
  • Zappa wrote: »
    Ruth wrote: »
    How many police officers would give a traffic ticket to their mom?

    Most that I have known, but that is in a different country. In Queensland, Australia, after the Fitzgerald enquiry into Possible Illegal Activities and Associated Police Misconduct (1987–1989), the findings were so strict, and at least when I was a Police Chaplain several years ago, so strictly adhered to, that any cop who failed to book their mother, partner, child et cetera for any offence would be in severe trouble, possibly including demotion or expulsion.

    It worked.

    When I was in the job, back in the last millenium, for traffic offences where there was no automatic power of arrest, an officer of even the lowest rank had the discretion to either
    a) Report for summons
    b) Give a fixed penalty ticket
    c) Give a verbal caution.

  • One of the 1500 whose sentences were just commuted by President Biden is the notorious "Kids For Cash" judge.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    edited December 2024
    Powderkeg wrote: »
    One of the 1500 whose sentences were just commuted by President Biden is the notorious "Kids For Cash" judge.

    As I understand the above article the judge had been sentenced to 28 years for the kids for cash scheme. He also plead guilty to a racketeering charge and received 17.5 year sentence for that. There is no indication if the two sentences were supposed to be concurrent or consecutive. Assuming they were concurrent, he would have already served 9 years in prison before being released to home in 2020, then he would have been under federal supervision for another four years. (My calculations also assume he was released to home during the Trump administration.)

    While there is no parole program in the Federal corrections system, it appears the people that handle clemency requests for the president were sufficiently satisfied the judge had successfully reintegrated in his family and community.

    It is too bad the clemency people did not seek input from the victims of the judge--or so it appears in this case.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    There's no point responding to anything Powderkeg posts. They always post and run.
  • Biden granted clemency to 37 of the 40 people with Federal Death Sentences.

    Trump is boiling.

    Sounds like Trump is looking for a way to overturn the clemencies.

    Wish I could feel sorry for the three still remaining on death roll. I really mean that. I think they should have also been given clemency, but their crimes were quite horrendous. Even with clemency they will die in prison.

    Life on Death Roll is grim and very limited. Inmates are typically confined to their cells for 23 hours a day, with limited human interaction and minimal access to recreational activities. The conditions are designed to be highly secure, with strict protocols in place to prevent any potential escape or harm to others.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    I wa thinking about those pardons versus the death penalty. Has anyone ever indicated they would prefer the death penalty to spending the rest of their life on death row?
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Yes - Timothy McVeigh, the guy convicted for blowing up the federal building in Oklahoma City during the Clinton administration, dropped his appeals in order to speed his execution.

    I'm not sure if you were precise in your phrasing. Biden didn't pardon those 37 people - you walk free if you're pardoned. He commuted their sentences to life without parole, so they'll spend their lives in federal prison, but not on death row.
  • In other words, they're still going to die in prison, it'll just take longer. Life without parole is the death penalty on the installment plan.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    Thanks Ruth, I worded that badly.
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