All I can say is that for the context I'm citing (being at church with his wife and kids) his attitude seems to be questionable at best.
What I always wonder is how and why people get themselves into situations like this in the first place. If he agreed to raise the kids in the church, what did he think that meant? If she knew he wasn't devout when they married, what did she think was going to happen when the kids came along?
He was probably content for his wife to take the kids to church, and was expecting to do his own thing on Sundays, except that he and his wife have discovered, now that they are parents rather than clueless would-be parents, that the logistics of wrangling multiple possibly fractious children are significantly improved with two adults. So perhaps his body has been prevailed upon to be present in church as a precaution against one of the children needing to be taken out, separated from a squabbling sibling, or whatever.
I was the eldest child of just such a pair. The difference was, my father noped out the minute they got back from the honeymoon, and my mother found she couldn't cope with taking to church three (constantly-sick) kids within four years of each other. I'll give her this, she made sporadic attempts. But nothing stuck until I was confirmation age and already a believer (though I didn't tell her that).
What a load of [iItripe[/i]! I hope you don't liver to regret posting that. According to my lights it was on the tip of my tongue to write something similar.
I've heard that our American friends tend not to eat offal. Mind you, it's getting rarer here too.
There are plenty of places I have been where I don’t want be and have to wear something prescribed. Wearing cloths that fit and are in a decent state is ground zero for wearing clothes. Not doing so doesn’t come across as protest but as either not being able to afford decent clothes, . . .
For the poor you will always have with you, but don't let their raggedy asses bring down the vibe of the church. We're trying to class up this joint.
All I can say is that for the context I'm citing (being at church with his wife and kids) his attitude seems to be questionable at best.
What I always wonder is how and why people get themselves into situations like this in the first place. If he agreed to raise the kids in the church, what did he think that meant? If she knew he wasn't devout when they married, what did she think was going to happen when the kids came along?
He was probably content for his wife to take the kids to church, and was expecting to do his own thing on Sundays, except that he and his wife have discovered, now that they are parents rather than clueless would-be parents, that the logistics of wrangling multiple possibly fractious children are significantly improved with two adults. So perhaps his body has been prevailed upon to be present in church as a precaution against one of the children needing to be taken out, separated from a squabbling sibling, or whatever.
I resemble this remark. I maintain a season ticket to a rugby club I’ve supported all my life and actually go to 2-3 matches a season thanks to children. I live in hope that one day I’ll be able to go to more again. Having said that, I love my wife and I love my children, and would hope that all the things I do with them instead I do with a slightly better grace than is being talked about here…
There are plenty of places I have been where I don’t want be and have to wear something prescribed. Wearing cloths that fit and are in a decent state is ground zero for wearing clothes. Not doing so doesn’t come across as protest but as either not being able to afford decent clothes, . . .
For the poor you will always have with you, but don't let their raggedy asses bring down the vibe of the church. We're trying to class up this joint.
I do believe I mentioned not being able to afford clothes. When I was a boy I had to wear shoes too small for me until my parents could afford to get me new ones. My dad went to work in old clothes so we could have new ones.
When I ventured back on to this barque, I promised myself (and @Clarence) that I'd restrict myself to pics of kittens and puppies boards like Heaven and All Saints, and not express what I thought of Purg (and especially this newfangled touchy feely Epiphanies thingy) and Hell posts. But the Mods seem to be exercising a lighter touch nowadays, so let me say, as a retired but still cognisant parish minister:
a) Who gives a rude word what anyone wears to church, aside from the odd pharisee. We're just pleased to see them.
b) If you're one of the allegedly reluctant attenders (you wouldn't be on this board if you were, so point (b) is sort-of redundant), don't pay a blind bit of notice to @Ruth, and know that everyone apart from her is glad that you're in church, including your family, especially your kids, and recognise and honour the conflicts which you have traversed to be there.
I don’t know why you’re picking out @Ruth, @Foaming Draught. She has resolutely stood up for people to wear what they like, and for others to mind their own business. Her only criticism, if it is that, is for him going to church when he plainly doesn’t want to be there.
Her only criticism, if it is that, is for him going to church when he plainly doesn’t want to be there.
Which is exactly what I've addressed. Who knows that he doesn't want to be there? People have complex reasons for why they are in or not in church. And if he's there when he doesn't want to be, his presence and his interior conflicts should be honoured, not denigrated. Hence, if this hypothetical husband/father is lurking (obviously he's not, but his analogue almost certainly is - he could be me, and I'm a minister for heaven's sake!), "Don't pay a blind bit of notice to Ruth".
Please don't bring me back into this. A lot of you have already decided I have no idea what I'm observing, or that even if I did I was wrong about it. S'fine.
Is this where I wish peace to everyone here and especially to @Ruth?
My general rule re: church dress codes would be, on my first visit there, dress reasonably smartly (but not ostentatiously so), and then observe how the other people there are dressed and follow their lead.
My default church outfit is jeans, a nice top and man-repeller shoes. The dresses come out for special services. And if Rev T’s first visit may lead to a more permanent arrangement.
TBH, the main issue isn’t the clothes as such. More that if the rest of your family is making an effort, you not bothering at all seems a bit meh.
If they're part of a larger context of humour, they can be okay, eg. Nabokov's Dolores Haze.
Also, stand-alone puns of a sexual nature(eg. "I hear that gentleman's club has gone bust") will often escape the groaning, because sex jokes are considered funny in and of themselves.
Rosa Klebb's!!! Has potential for my commute into work but not for church. Unless I want to ensure that I never get asked to do anything ever again. I was thinking more of these.
Anyhow, going back to our friend in the pew. Assuming that he dresses appropriately in every other circumstance apart from Sunday, when he rolls around in the ironing pile, then that's not great. He may not want to be there - which is fair enough - but his spouse does. Leaning into a hearty F You week in and week out isn't great for martial harmony.
The issue isn't the clothes or the place that deserves a "C'mon man". It's the attitude behind them and the treatment of his spouse.
Interesting. The translation I’m familiar with is “Worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness”. Some translations suggest it is the beauty of the Lord’s holiness that is in mind.
Are clothes particularly holy or should we all be worshipping naked?
Well if we're naked they can't be holy as there's nowhere for the holes to be.
I think this image was brought to you by those of us who on hearing the words "Holy Ghost" imagined something like a floaty bedsheet that the moths have been at.
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He was probably content for his wife to take the kids to church, and was expecting to do his own thing on Sundays, except that he and his wife have discovered, now that they are parents rather than clueless would-be parents, that the logistics of wrangling multiple possibly fractious children are significantly improved with two adults. So perhaps his body has been prevailed upon to be present in church as a precaution against one of the children needing to be taken out, separated from a squabbling sibling, or whatever.
Kidney?
'Of that kidney' = of that type.
Not a phrase that well known in The States.
That gets to the heart of the matter.
I've heard that our American friends tend not to eat offal. Mind you, it's getting rarer here too.
For the poor you will always have with you, but don't let their raggedy asses bring down the vibe of the church. We're trying to class up this joint.
I resemble this remark. I maintain a season ticket to a rugby club I’ve supported all my life and actually go to 2-3 matches a season thanks to children. I live in hope that one day I’ll be able to go to more again. Having said that, I love my wife and I love my children, and would hope that all the things I do with them instead I do with a slightly better grace than is being talked about here…
Will you be dealing out a pun-ishment?
Yoooouuuuu rannnnng?
Speaking of innards, why do vultures never check their luggage on long flights? Because it's carri-on.
Happy entrails to you, until we meet again...
* he was very good at finding charity-shop bargains; he once got a Marks & Sparks suit that still had the labels on for about a tenner.
We have quite a few charity shops around her. Wife and one of her friends love to shop in them. They find a number of excellent clothing for them.
Don't you mean 'a number of excellent items of clothing?
I've heard of 'a number of aircraft' or 'a number of vehicles' or 'a number of people' but surely you can't have 'a number of clothing'?
You'll be telling us 'there's a number of water' next.
a) Who gives a rude word what anyone wears to church, aside from the odd pharisee. We're just pleased to see them.
b) If you're one of the allegedly reluctant attenders (you wouldn't be on this board if you were, so point (b) is sort-of redundant), don't pay a blind bit of notice to @Ruth, and know that everyone apart from her is glad that you're in church, including your family, especially your kids, and recognise and honour the conflicts which you have traversed to be there.
Which is exactly what I've addressed. Who knows that he doesn't want to be there? People have complex reasons for why they are in or not in church. And if he's there when he doesn't want to be, his presence and his interior conflicts should be honoured, not denigrated. Hence, if this hypothetical husband/father is lurking (obviously he's not, but his analogue almost certainly is - he could be me, and I'm a minister for heaven's sake!), "Don't pay a blind bit of notice to Ruth".
Is this where I wish peace to everyone here and especially to @Ruth?
My default church outfit is jeans, a nice top and man-repeller shoes. The dresses come out for special services. And if Rev T’s first visit may lead to a more permanent arrangement.
TBH, the main issue isn’t the clothes as such. More that if the rest of your family is making an effort, you not bothering at all seems a bit meh.
If they're part of a larger context of humour, they can be okay, eg. Nabokov's Dolores Haze.
Also, stand-alone puns of a sexual nature(eg. "I hear that gentleman's club has gone bust") will often escape the groaning, because sex jokes are considered funny in and of themselves.
Rosa Klebb's!!! Has potential for my commute into work but not for church. Unless I want to ensure that I never get asked to do anything ever again.
Anyhow, going back to our friend in the pew. Assuming that he dresses appropriately in every other circumstance apart from Sunday, when he rolls around in the ironing pile, then that's not great. He may not want to be there - which is fair enough - but his spouse does. Leaning into a hearty F You week in and week out isn't great for martial harmony.
The issue isn't the clothes or the place that deserves a "C'mon man". It's the attitude behind them and the treatment of his spouse.
“Worship the Lord in holy attire. Tremble before him, all the earth.”
Of course, I thought of this thread.
Ripped jeans are Biblically sanctioned, then!
Well if we're naked they can't be holy as there's nowhere for the holes to be.
I think this image was brought to you by those of us who on hearing the words "Holy Ghost" imagined something like a floaty bedsheet that the moths have been at.
I tried to hint
LOL!
ROTFLOL!
Well, um, technically…
I’ll get me coat.