Overseas Aid

Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
In a world of deep inequality within and between nations, disputes over access to vital resources and the pressures of a changing climate our long term security is dependent upon reducing those inequalities. Overseas aid is a vital part of that aim of reducing inequalities and the tensions within and between nations that those inequalities feed. Therefore, to build a stable world in which conflict is reduced, where people are safe to live where they are with access to what they need and hence not forced to migrate, we need to be increasing the amount spent on overseas aid. Cutting aid makes the world less secure, exacerbates issues of migration and is a retrograde step. Cutting aid budgets to increase spending on military power is a particularly bizarre move, a step from working towards being secure to being more likely to be drawn into a foreign war.

I propose that to move towards a world of greater peace and security, overseas aid budgets should be increased to no less than military spending.

Comments

  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    I suppose the question is from whence comes the money ? In theory I agree with you, in practice, the immediate defense pressure from the change in IS foreign policy, coupled with the budgetary fallout from the last government, and the long term economic issues from both the pandemic and the war, I’m not sure what can be rapidly mov3d about to increase defence spending. How would you suggest funding both ?
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    There is money around. Personally, I wouldn't be funding the military as heavily. We don't need new Trident, we don't need to be sending aircraft carriers anywhere. There are savings other nations can make as well (the thread's inspired by the UK government decision, but there have also been idiotic cuts in US funding as well).
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    I think, if we may be on the edge of war with Russia - and/or the US pulling out of NATO it might be unwise to cut military fund8ng.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    One can only hope that the US pulls out of NATO. Hell, I would love for them to build a wall on their northern border.
  • I suppose the question is from whence comes the money ?

    At the moment the answer is clear. The money is coming out of the overseas aid budget - which at the moment is largely supporting .. Ukraine (a significant chunk is going to the Home Office to fund the Ukraine refugees program - and this has kicked off an internal fight, as they were supposed to have this budget for a few more years)

    The alternative is to tax wealth - which given the historical levels of inequality would be a better source of productive capacity.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    Yes - I would be happy with higher tax rates. But I was thinking what would you do within an existing tax/spend budget if you are reprioritising quickly.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    edited February 25
    Yes - I would be happy with higher tax rates. But I was thinking what would you do within an existing tax/spend budget if you are reprioritising quickly.

    You can raise taxes as fast as you need to spend the money, and if it's that urgent why wouldn't you call on those with the broadest shoulders to contribute more (Especially as they were often the ultimate beneficiaries of QE under Covid).

    The flip side of this is which part of the Overseas Aid Budget will you cut? Presumably not the part that's directly helping the Ukranians? Which leaves very little, of which most of the rest is either assisting imports abroad of supporting primary industries that are needed by the arms industry.
  • Caissa wrote: »
    One can only hope that the US pulls out of NATO. Hell, I would love for them to build a wall on their northern border.

    Ya know, that statement comes off very different depending on where in the world you're making it from.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    Yes, I understand that may be the case. Frankly, I am not sure US in NATO at the moment is any more useful to its allies than if Trump pulled it out. At least the latter might provide clarity.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    Caissa wrote: »
    Yes, I understand that may be the case. Frankly, I am not sure US in NATO at the moment is any more useful to its allies than if Trump pulled it out. At least the latter might provide clarity.

    Now this I can understand. If your former ally has flat-out said they do not think you are worth defending - which is exactly what Trump and Vance have done - then what useful purpose can the so-called alliance serve?
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Do we really need to give Milliband billions for his pet projects
  • Telford wrote: »
    Do we really need to give Milliband billions for his pet projects

    Citation please, what evidence do you have to back up this sentence?
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    In complete agreement with the OP, gicen the crisis of funding cuts to southern Africa in the last month or two.
  • Yes
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Me as well. The other thing is that it's in the interest of wealthy countries to aid others. As this article puts it,
    Foreign aid isn’t just charity. It’s power. That was the original idea behind the United States Agency for International Development, which J.F.K. set up in the early 1960s to win the support of developing countries that might have otherwise drifted into the Soviet sphere.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/21/briefing/the-influence-of-foreign-aid.html?unlocked_article_code=1.0E4.wu3h.LfqjdDh1lvxv&smid=url-share

    Foreign aid helps people and it creates real power. Foreign aid was 1.2% of the US federal budget in 2023, and the US was funding 40% of all international aid. (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/02/06/what-the-data-says-about-us-foreign-aid/). It's wrong and stupid to cut foreign aid.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Do we really need to give Milliband billions for his pet projects

    Citation please, what evidence do you have to back up this sentence?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4301n3771o

    I thought it was common knowledge.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Do we really need to give Milliband billions for his pet projects

    Citation please, what evidence do you have to back up this sentence?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4301n3771o

    I thought it was common knowledge.

    And what does investing in energy supplies have to do with overseas aid?
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited February 27
    And why is carbon capture a "pet project", and why would we not want to invest in it?

    I can actually think of reasons for the latter but I'm interested in yours. The former seems just to be rhetorical.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Do we really need to give Milliband billions for his pet projects

    Citation please, what evidence do you have to back up this sentence?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4301n3771o

    I thought it was common knowledge.

    And what does investing in energy supplies have to do with overseas aid?
    Quite simple really. There would be no need to reduce overseas aid if the money for defence came from another source.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    KarlLB wrote: »
    And why is carbon capture a "pet project", and why would we not want to invest in it?

    I can actually think of reasons for the latter but I'm interested in yours. The former seems just to be rhetorical.

    I have heard that it's not proven and in any case, there are other priorities at the moment
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage.

    My last comment on this tangent.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    edited February 27
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Do we really need to give Milliband billions for his pet projects

    Citation please, what evidence do you have to back up this sentence?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4301n3771o

    I thought it was common knowledge.

    And what does investing in energy supplies have to do with overseas aid?
    Quite simple really. There would be no need to reduce overseas aid if the money for defence came from another source.

    So why pick on that one? You realise the government can and does do multiple things at once?

    You realise too that energy independence will become more important with rising international tensions and even apart from the environmental impact Britain isn't self-sufficient when it comes to oil and natural gas ?

    Or are you just picking up on some talking point you heard on gbnews?
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