Greenland
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The Guardian describes Vance's speech in Greenland as a "nightmare diplomatic scenario for Denmark".
So here's a question I would not have dreamed of asking six months ago - in the event of a US invasion of Greenland, could/should Denmark and other NATO members resist militarily?
So here's a question I would not have dreamed of asking six months ago - in the event of a US invasion of Greenland, could/should Denmark and other NATO members resist militarily?
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Greenland is a very large country, but with a very small population (about 57000). Mind you, their new government has made it quite clear that the place is not up for grabs.
Given that the US also has bases here in the UK, it has been pointed out that, in a sense, the enemy is within the gates now...and that the spectre of the UK at war with America is not entirely fanciful.
But it's fun! We could talk about it as if it were the plan all along, going back to the early days of the Cold War. They thought we were there originally to protect them from the Soviets when in reality we were setting them up for invasion 70 years later.
I’m seriously getting tired of this crap on the Ship.
Except the Vice President of the United Stated did just that in his speech.
As I've said before, we gave 'em to the Yanks, we gave 'em to India, so I don't see why we can't get 'em ourselves.
I'm not able to find that quote in the Guardian or NY Times reporting. What am I missing?
The only way we could occupy Greenland again would be to declare war on Denmark. The only entity that can declare war is the US Congress. I just do not see Congress making that move.
Trump needs to watch what he is doing here. Denmark can request the US vacate its presence under the NATO authorization. It can then ask other NATO countries like the Scandanavian countries or the United Kingdon and Canada to occupy the base. When De Gaulle withdrew from NATO from the NATO command structure, he ordered the Americans and other NATO military out of French territory. We left in 1967. To this day, I do not think we have any official military bases on French Territory even though France has rejoined NATO Command.
BTW, there have been several times when Greece and Turkey have gone at each other over Cyprus, and they are both NATO countries. Neither one of them have been kicked out of NATO. Cyprus is still a disputed territory.
The Vance trip to Greenland was so poorly bungled. Usha Vance had simply wanted to go to Greenland to watch a dog sled race--at least that was what the Trump administration was saying. I think she simply thought she could go to Greenland as a typical tourist. As I see it, there does not seem to have been any advance planning for the visit. One tourist agency did agree to host her, but once they realized who she was, they pulled out. She had hoped to stay with a family or two in Greenland, but no one wanted her. You would think they would have had all this arranged before the visit would have been announced. But if everyone is refusing to welcome you, you would think she should have quietly pulled out. But, no, hubby has to get involved which made it all the more embarrassing to the Americans I associate with.
Another example of how not to run a government on the part of the Trump administration.
He went to a US base because it was the only place in Greenland he could go and not face protesters. Of course it was both a threat and an insult. But that's not what you or @Bishops Finger originally said.
Who has pointed this out?
Also, look on the bright side - if we go to war with the UK, Americans on the Ship will have to tell @Alan Cresswell or @Doublethink to delete our Ship accounts and you at least won't have to deal with us here.
Congress has authorized all sorts of stupid wars in our lifetimes. The Republicans in this Congress are rolling over for unprecedented moves by Trump every day. I see no reason to think they'll oppose Trump if he decides to take Greenland. Have any of them spoken in opposition to this?
I am thinking of taking big dump on a UK-centric thread once a week for the foreseeable future just on basic principle.
But I will do so anyway, impending crap or no impending crap.
No, I don't think the US is going to invade Greenland or go to war with Denmark.
Why should it?
All the US has to do is wait until Greenland gets its full independence from Denmark, which seems to be on the cards, and then it'll naturally look for closer ties with the US.
What we are seeing is the crassness of the Trump and Vance combo.
It'd be relatively easy for the US to increase its military infrastructure in Greenland (and snaffle some of its mineral wealth whilst its at it) without having to fire a shot.
Whereas any other US administration would be far more diplomatic, tactful and measured, the current one doesn't get subtlety at all.
There was a piece in the Guardian a few days ago - I'm afraid I can't find it at the moment, so can't quote chapter and verse.
This, except that not all Greenlanders want complete independence from Denmark. The most pro-independence party does not form part of the new coalition government.
This thread has become a dumpster fire and I am going to close it.
I would like to encourage non-American posters to consider, when they engage with threads on the Trump government, on whichever forum:
Doublethink, Admin