Do you use full stops?

BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
Are you being rude?

A study by Binghamton University (2015) seemed to back this up. They found that text messages ending with a full stop are seen as less sincere than the same message without a full stop.

This is a fascinating podcast on the subject -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002c3cb?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
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  • ThunderBunkThunderBunk Shipmate
    What a pile of utter shit. Sentences end with full stops.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    I don't have time to watch a half-hour video. Can someone provide an example of what is meant by a "full stop" within the context of text messaging?
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    Do you mean punctuation?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    The_Riv wrote: »
    Do you mean punctuation?

    If that's the meaning, then yes, my emails, texts etc always have full stops.

    Mr. McWidget:

    Hi. Stetson here. Sorry, but I won't be able to attend your dinner tonight. Looking forward to the party tomorrow, though. Talk to you soon.

    Stetson

    That would be a typical text message from me.
  • stetson wrote: »
    I don't have time to watch a half-hour video. Can someone provide an example of what is meant by a "full stop" within the context of text messaging?

    I think Americans call this punctuation a 'period'
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    I have never sent a text. My messages on FB end with a full stop.
  • "Are seen" by who?

    Whether the text messages I send have full stops depends on whether they are sentences. Most of my text messages are sent with correct punctuation (I just checked to see what I do). Ones that are a couple of words (yes, no, I'm outside, and so on) usually don't have punctuation.

    If I sent a message that was three sentences, it would be bizarre in the extreme to omit the final full stop, wouldn't it?
  • stonespringstonespring Shipmate
    My biggest punctuation annoyance with text messages is habitually ending them with an ellipsis (…) I know multiple people who do this and it makes me think there is always some hidden meaning to their messages but the reality is they just like ending messages with “dot dot dot” (unfortunate and unintentional “Mamma Mia!” reference).
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Caissa wrote: »
    I have never sent a text. My messages on FB end with a full stop.

    I am glad to say that I have never seen a spade

    Probably the longest texts I send are orders for fish (I have a very tech savvy fishmonger). They are, of course, immaculately punctuated.

  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    If I sent a text of one, two or three words I might not put a full stop. If I write a sentence, I do.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    I don't have time to watch a half-hour video. Can someone provide an example of what is meant by a "full stop" within the context of text messaging?

    I think Americans call this punctuation a 'period'
    We do. I saw the thread title and wondered what in the world a thread about organ playing was doing in Purgatory :lol:


  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    "Are seen" by who?

    By young people. According to the podcast, millennials.

  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Boogie wrote: »
    "Are seen" by who?
    By young people. According to the podcast, millennials.
    Are millennials still considered “young people”? I mean, they’re younger than I am, but the youngest of them are knocking on the door of 30 now.

  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    edited May 15
    stetson wrote: »
    I don't have time to watch a half-hour video. Can someone provide an example of what is meant by a "full stop" within the context of text messaging?

    I'm sorry - I tried to find a transcript but failed.

    A full stop is known as a 'period' in the US.

    Dr Christian Ilbury was the guest on the podcast. He is a sociolinguist who is broadly interested in language variation and change. His research examines the intersection between language variation and digital culture, with a specific focus on analysing variable patterns of language we use across offline and online space.

    So, when we text if we say eg. "Are you happy to come over here instead of going out for coffee?"

    The answer -

    Fine.

    Would be seen as abrupt and rather rude (by millennials and younger)

    Whereas -

    Fine

    Would be friendlier and more acceptable.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    edited May 15
    Mr. McWidget:

    Hi. Stetson here. Sorry, but I won't be able to attend your dinner tonight. Looking forward to the party tomorrow, though. Talk to you soon.

    Stetson

    ...

    That would be a typical text message from me.

    Which is confusing on WhatsApp - your name also comes up first so your message says -
    Stetson
    Hi. Stetson here. Sorry, but I won't be able to attend your dinner tonight. Looking forward to the party tomorrow, though. Talk to you soon.
    Stetson

    My friend does it in a group WhatsApp and it does look odd with her name top and bottom.

    This is the way that works in the context of a text conversation -
    Stetson
    Sorry, but I won't be able to attend your dinner tonight. Looking forward to the party tomorrow, though. Talk to you soon.
  • Just had a look on my phone. Most text messages are from companies about orders, or the bank telling me stuff, or the mobile company telling me stuff. Nearly all my conversations are on WhatsApp.

    Looks like the pattern there is sentences with full stops (or ? or !) most of the time. Frequently no full stop on 1 or 2 word replies, or when someone's used an emoji. Age range of contacts quite genuinely 18 (my oldest niece) to 80 (my Mum).
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Boogie wrote: »
    "Are seen" by who?
    By young people. According to the podcast, millennials.
    Are millennials still considered “young people”? I mean, they’re younger than I am, but the youngest of them are knocking on the door of 30 now.

    Millennials are now considered embarrassingly middle aged and uncool by Gen Z according to this Guardian article.
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    My biggest punctuation annoyance with text messages is habitually ending them with an ellipsis (…) I know multiple people who do this and it makes me think there is always some hidden meaning to their messages but the reality is they just like ending messages with “dot dot dot” (unfortunate and unintentional “Mamma Mia!” reference).

    My biggest is the run-on sentence. Ones where I have to read them two or three times to get where the breaks are, and where each new thought begins. I wonder if it doesn't have to do with theory of mind -- they don't realize other people don't know what they know; other people don't know where you stopped one thought and took up the next. Never occurs to them. Why put in a period when it's obvious?
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    I remember an A-level maths teacher who put a dot after the final equation in a worked example:

    "Sir, why have you put a decimal point at the end?"
    "That's not a decimal point - it's a full stop! Just because we are doing maths does not mean that we forget our punctuation."
  • Boogie wrote: »
    The answer -

    Fine.

    Would be seen as abrupt and rather rude (by millennials and younger)

    Whereas -

    Fine

    Would be friendlier and more acceptable.

    I suspect this might be a very short-term understanding. If you send texts via some kind of speech-to-text interface, the computer will punctuate for you, so the presence or absence of a full stop would not reflect an active choice.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Boogie wrote: »
    Mr. McWidget:

    Hi. Stetson here. Sorry, but I won't be able to attend your dinner tonight. Looking forward to the party tomorrow, though. Talk to you soon.

    Stetson

    ...

    That would be a typical text message from me.

    Which is confusing on WhatsApp - your name also comes up first so your message says -
    Stetson
    Hi. Stetson here. Sorry, but I won't be able to attend your dinner tonight. Looking forward to the party tomorrow, though. Talk to you soon.
    Stetson

    My friend does it in a group WhatsApp and it does look odd with her name top and bottom.

    This is the way that works in the context of a text conversation -
    Stetson
    Sorry, but I won't be able to attend your dinner tonight. Looking forward to the party tomorrow, though. Talk to you soon.

    On my WhatsApp account, the name of the sender only appears in the notification box, and is absent when reading the message itself.

    And why would my salutation "Mr. McWidget" not appear in a WhatsApp or a text message? It's part of the text itself.
  • I asked my 2 sons (generation z) about this a few years ago when I read research on it. They thought it was weird that using punctuation when texting might be seen as rude.
    I text a lot and just looked at the family WhatsApp group. I use full stops if I write several sentences but not usually with just a short sentence. My husband and sons seldom write more than one sentence - they, consequently, don’t use full stops.
  • The worst (for me) is when people put. a. full. stop. after. every. word thinking that they are adding emphasis when in fact they are making themselves look idiotic.
  • MarsupialMarsupial Shipmate
    I usually punctuate but sometimes not if it’s a short sentence or only a few words. If a one-word basically yes/no reply I’m less likely to punctuate, but it’s not a consistent thing.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    The worst (for me) is when people put. a. full. stop. after. every. word thinking that they are adding emphasis when in fact they are making themselves look idiotic.

    I think it works in limited situations, usually when the other person refuses to accept your original statement.

    A: Would you like to come camping with me and my co-workers next week?

    B: No thanks.

    A: Are you sure? It'll be fun!

    B: No. Thanks again, but I don't like camping.

    A: Come on! A new experience for you!

    B: I. Don't. Like. Camping. Now can we please talk about something else?
  • I'm one who puts full stops at the end, capital letters at the start and signs my name. If I were to send a reply, like Fine. (as upthread), I'd probably add a smiley to indicate that it was a brief but not cross reply. I think emotion and is one of the hardest things to convey in texts.

    I'm pretty sure that younger people <30, probably find me too wordy, but if I had time, I'd also say somthing like, I'm looking forward to catching up to soften what's being said.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Another one using punctuation here. Then again I am a decrepit Gen Xer. Very short sentences may sometimes miss the full stop but as a rule I always punctuate.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    edited May 16
    I'm a cheerful old Boomer. I've always used punctuation for everything written.

    I never overuse it either. None of this!!! Definitely. None. Of. This.
    OR THIS.

    But the podcast made me think how I'm coming over to younger people in my WhatsApp groups.

    So I'm experimenting with using more emojis and fewer full stops 🙂
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    edited May 16
    If you send texts via some kind of speech-to-text interface, the computer will punctuate for you, so the presence or absence of a full stop would not reflect an active choice.

    I have a lot of blind friends who use speech-to-text. I Admin a Facebook 'Coffee Lounge' with thousands of blind users.

    The computer makes some interesting choices in spelling and punctuation, sometimes requiring further chat for clarification. It has improved a lot over the years, of course.
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    Why put "Fine." when you can put a thumbs-up emoji? I mean, if periods bother you, you're of the emoji generation, right?
  • ThunderBunkThunderBunk Shipmate
    Emojis are just so millennial. Utterly uncool for Generation Zed, therefore.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Surely this has to be made up concern. I refuse to believe anyone would find punctuation threatening/offensive.
  • The RogueThe Rogue Shipmate
    edited May 16
    Perhaps they have a book to sell. Which may or may not have punctuation depending on the intended market.

    I always use punctuation and sometimes it amuses the Roguelings. It irritates them when I send a message and sign off as Dad because it is obvious who the message is from. Their reaction does not stop me.
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    Emojis are just so millennial. Utterly uncool for Generation Zed, therefore.

    It all seems "new" to me!
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    This Boomer always uses a full stop before adding an emoji. The exception might be using a thumbs up as a stand alone message.
  • Gill HGill H Shipmate
    I tend to use punctuation unless it’s just a few words.

    Then again, I am still stuck with putting two spaces after a full stop. It’s muscle memory now, and besides, I find it easier to read.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Who knows maybe one day indenting paragraphs will come back
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Emojis are just so millennial. Utterly uncool for Generation Zed, therefore.
    This Boomer uses things like the thumbs-emoji all the time, as do most of my contemporaries, and my Gen Z kids.


  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Everyone I text knows how old I am and how uncool I am. I figure they'll make allowances. And if they won't, fuck 'em.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    A very good use of punctuation, Ruth. ;^)
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    Gill H wrote: »
    I tend to use punctuation unless it’s just a few words.

    Then again, I am still stuck with putting two spaces after a full stop. It’s muscle memory now, and besides, I find it easier to read.

    Me too!
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    :lol:
  • Gill HGill H Shipmate
    Hugal wrote: »
    Who knows maybe one day indenting paragraphs will come back

    Ah, memories of editing documents for my Dad. He loved indenting paragraphs but never seemed to discover the tab key!
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    I text frequently and always use full stops. Fortunately I seldon text people who are in their 30s so I probably haven't offended anyone.
  • Ex_OrganistEx_Organist Shipmate
    Gill H wrote: »
    I tend to use punctuation unless it’s just a few words.

    Then again, I am still stuck with putting two spaces after a full stop. It’s muscle memory now, and besides, I find it easier to read.

    The instruction manual that came with my first (second-hand) typewriter in 1965 specified one space after a comma, two spaces after a colon or semi-colon, and three spaces after a full stop.
  • HarryCHHarryCH Shipmate
    I was taught much the same but only two spaces after a full stop (which might be a period, a question mark, or an exclamation point).
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  • balaambalaam Shipmate
    Gill H wrote: »
    I tend to use punctuation unless it’s just a few words.

    Then again, I am still stuck with putting two spaces after a full stop. It’s muscle memory now, and besides, I find it easier to read.

    The instruction manual that came with my first (second-hand) typewriter in 1965 specified one space after a comma, two spaces after a colon or semi-colon, and three spaces after a full stop.

    Modern wordprocessing software removes them, I've tried.
  • Lamb ChoppedLamb Chopped Shipmate
    It does unless you get rid of that feature in the autocorrect options. I’ve had to tell Word to mind its own business on several such features (not spaces, I don’t care about them—mostly places where it wants to get rid of forms like “dreamt”).
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