Stop taking food with your fingers (and other food things)

HugalHugal Shipmate
At work I just had to throw a dish of veggie sausage away because because someone took a Sausage with their fingers. That is not just a waste of good food but customers had to wait while we cooked more. Some stuff customers do in a food environment would put you off. STOP IT. You are wasting food, making more work in an already busy environment, and making fellow customers wait. While we’re at it only use the tongs with the individual dish. Using tongs from some other dish can cause allergies to flair up (particularly peanuts), and again leads to is throwing food away.

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  • And whilst you are at it, you can take your dog out of the cafe. I don't care if it is "friendly", I don't like dogs and didn't ask for their hairs in my coffee.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    I actively choose cafés that tend to have more dogs in them (as I don't have a pet myself) and I have never encountered dog hair in my coffee.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    And whilst you are at it, you can take your dog out of the cafe. I don't care if it is "friendly", I don't like dogs and didn't ask for their hairs in my coffee.

    When I moved to Korea in the early 2000s, I noticed their rather tolerant attitude towards dogs in restaurants, and while I disapproved, I figured "When in Rome...", and just shrugged it off.

    Got back to Canada in 2022, and saw that it was now the norm, at least in some cafes, over here as well. As a Canadian, I should have the right to scream blue-murder about this shift in cultural norms, but I do wish to go back to some of these places.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    I actively choose cafés that tend to have more dogs in them (as I don't have a pet myself) and I have never encountered dog hair in my coffee.
    It’s so good to see you, @Pomona!

    And I’ve never encountered dog hair in my coffee either, nor have I encountered poorly behaved dogs in a coffee shop. Poorly behaved humans, and the occasional human hair, on the other hand . . . .


  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited June 13
    The cafe I occasionally visit is dog-friendly, inasmuch as they have put tables outside on the pavement, and provide a dish of water for animals...no dogs inside, though, apart from assistance dogs.

    Several local gastropubs are also dog-friendly, but only in certain sections.

    I think Basketactortale must have been unlucky in their choice of cafe...

    As regards taking food items with the wrong tongs, or even fingers - definite no-nos, and, if I saw that happening, I would leave the establishment immediately.
  • BasketactortaleBasketactortale Shipmate
    edited June 13
    The cafe I occasionally visit is dog-friendly, inasmuch as they have put tables outside on the pavement, and provide a dish of water for animals...no dogs inside, though, apart from assistance dogs.

    Several local gastropubs are also dog-friendly, but only in certain sections.

    I think Basketactortale must have been unlucky in their choice of cafe...

    As regards taking food items with the wrong tongs, or even fingers - definite no-nos, and, if I saw that happening, I would leave the establishment immediately.

    I've been to various cafes in SW England, Wales and the Midlands recently and I think there have been dogs in every single one. Quite a lot of these are National Trust or English Heritage, but I don't think this changes anything about how offensive and disrespectful it is.

    Last week I was in the food court of an indoor market. One of those ones that has recently been done up and has a place to sit and you get food from one of various stalls.

    And blow me down if there weren't several dogs with their owners sat at the communal tables. In the centre of town!

    The culture has certainly changed in this regard in the last 5 years.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    Dogs in cafes normalize the need for service dogs. Individuals who need to use a service dog blend in with those who have dogs as pets.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    Ideally, one needs a mixed economy of animal friendly and animal free cafes etc - as you say for service animals but also general joy, but also because some people are seriously phobic and/or allergic or just - per our shipmate - not animal people.

    One of my aspirations is to visit a good quality cat cafe one day :)
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    Of course, locally we have the example of Major Armstrong, who famously said: "'Scuse fingers," as he handed a poisoned cake to his victim (allegedly!).
  • Hugal wrote: »
    At work I just had to throw a dish of veggie sausage away because because someone took a Sausage with their fingers. That is not just a waste of good food but customers had to wait while we cooked more. Some stuff customers do in a food environment would put you off. STOP IT. You are wasting food, making more work in an already busy environment, and making fellow customers wait. While we’re at it only use the tongs with the individual dish. Using tongs from some other dish can cause allergies to flair up (particularly peanuts), and again leads to is throwing food away.

    At, for example, a reception with canapes / finger food, trays of food circulate and people take individual items with their fingers. People take the item closest to them, and avoid touching other food with their fingers.

    It's common enough around here to get a couple of pizzas in for some kind of working lunch type gathering, and whilst there will be some kind of knife or cutter to help liberate pizza slices, people are extracting slices of pizza from the box with their hands.

    It is, perhaps, not completely obvious to everyone why your tray of sausages is so different.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    It is, perhaps, not completely obvious to everyone why your tray of sausages is so different.
    This. Unless there is a clearly-visible sign advising customers not to use fingers and not to move tongs between dishes, the fault lies as much with management as with customers.

    As for foods like peanuts/tree nuts that can cause allergies, they should be far enough away from other foods that using tongs from other foods isn’t going to happen. Otherwise, there’s still risk of cross-contamination just from bits of the nuts falling in other foods as it moves from dish to plate.


  • LatchKeyKidLatchKeyKid Shipmate
    One of my aspirations is to visit a good quality cat cafe one day :)

    There are cat cafes in Japan, but I'm not sure they are what you are looking for.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    My primary concern, is to know the cats in said cafe are comfortable and well cared for. I know not all cats like strangers - but there are those who are happy to be admired :)
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    :)

    There are a few in the UK, but none that close to me yet.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    Ideally, one needs a mixed economy of animal friendly and animal free cafes etc
    I don't know why the free market doesn't work out like that. Back when smoking in commercial spaces was permitted you'd have thought a mixed economy of smoking-permitted and non-smoking pubs and cafes would have developed but it didn't. I presume there's always more money for any individual proprietor in the more permissive option.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    There are a couple of cat cafes in my city, but I have my own two cats to pet and look after.
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    There is Kitty café in Nottingham but I’ve never been in it. I am allergic to some cats. That’s my polite comment.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    edited 10:18AM
    Hugal wrote: »
    At work I just had to throw a dish of veggie sausage away because because someone took a Sausage with their fingers. That is not just a waste of good food but customers had to wait while we cooked more. Some stuff customers do in a food environment would put you off. STOP IT. You are wasting food, making more work in an already busy environment, and making fellow customers wait. While we’re at it only use the tongs with the individual dish. Using tongs from some other dish can cause allergies to flair up (particularly peanuts), and again leads to is throwing food away.

    At, for example, a reception with canapes / finger food, trays of food circulate and people take individual items with their fingers. People take the item closest to them, and avoid touching other food with their fingers.

    It's common enough around here to get a couple of pizzas in for some kind of working lunch type gathering, and whilst there will be some kind of knife or cutter to help liberate pizza slices, people are extracting slices of pizza from the box with their hands.

    It is, perhaps, not completely obvious to everyone why your tray of sausages is so different.

    Canapés should be set out so that that you can pick one up without touching others. What people do in a private situation doesn’t fall under the law. Hot food on a hot counter is different and has different rules. Hot Held food should have a dedicated set of tongs, should be in a separate receptacle. Basically you don’t know where people’s hands have been. You can’t guarantee their hands are clean. There are other reasons. As to nuts and peanuts, yes they should be separate but if I had £1 for every time I had to stop people picking things up after touching nuts I could retire. Even keeping hold of the nut tongs and using them to pick up none nut products because it is easier. Also you could have touched a meat product and then a product a vegetarian/vegan would eat. Again the food has to go. Also if you put something on your plate then decide you don’t want it and put it back that is a no no. If you decide you don’t want it it has to be thrown away.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    We get all of that, @Hugal. But how many average people know the laws about food service, much less the best practices? They may seem obvious once people are aware of them, but assuming everyone already knows them is naive. Any establishment that assumes people know all these laws and rules and doesn’t make it clear what the rules are bears responsibility for violation of the rules.

    In other words, the real complaint shouldn’t be about people doing these things. The real complaint should be about people ignoring the signs telling them not to do these things.


  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Yes, lots of food service requirements for servers wouldn't apply to customers (eg no wearing watches or rings) so I can see why it wouldn't necessarily be obvious to customers that using their fingers = contaminating the whole tray. If you've had food service certification training you tend to automatically be in "food service mode" even off-duty, but it's much less obvious to most people.

    I'm confused by the idea that a café being dog-friendly is somehow *offensive* - I don't think there's anything wrong with not wanting dogs in a café, it's just a different preference. The branch of Caffe Nero near me (a UK coffee shop chain) has a tub of dog biscuits (like Milkbones, for the Americans) for customers so it's made pretty obvious that dogs are welcome - I don't know if this is the case across the whole chain, but they wouldn't do it if it harmed their business.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited 1:57PM
    Dog-friendly places are OK, but only if the dogs are kept under control, and maybe restricted to certain parts of the cafe/pub/restaurant.

    My niece has a Dog, a mixture of Staffordshire Terrier and several other breeds (!), but he is a benign* and friendly soul, and has wonderful sticky-up ears. On patronising a certain local gastropub for lunch one day, we were made most welcome, and the staff could not have been more attentive towards us and the Dog (who ate as many titbits as they could find for him... :yum:).

    I'm not particularly fond of Dogs, but my niece's Hugo is an attractive and entertaining character. He has, I may say, been well brought up, but it's Dogs which have not been properly trained that cause a nuisance, more often than not. The offence is then largely due to the human owner of the Dog, rather than the animal itself.

    Personally, I'd avoid a Cat cafe - not because I disapprove of Cats, intelligent and sagacious animals that they are, but simply because I'm severely allergic to their fur...to the extent of once being virtually blinded by a stray hair, and ending up in A&E.
    :grimace:

    (*My brother's word for him - it seems most appropriate)
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    Dog-friendly places are OK, but only if the dogs are kept under control, and maybe restricted to certain parts of the cafe/pub/restaurant.

    IME a comparatively large proportion of the dog owners one is likely to encounter in the UK either have difficulty controlling their dogs, or are highly indulgent (this may also be true of owners generally in other countries, but perhaps the crowded nature of cities and towns makes this stand out).

    And AFAICT the pandemic has just made this worse, because there are a large number of people with dogs who would not have owned dogs otherwise.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    'Dog friendly' I can thole, provided they are keep at floor level. It's 'dog indulgent' where they are let up on to seating, or even the bar, that I really dislike.

    On the whole I don't think people, animals and food should be in the same enclosed space.

  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Most of the cafés and pubs here in Linlithgow seem to be dog-friendly, and I'm OK with that - I'm generally very fond of Other People's Dogs.

    I totally get Hugal's point about not touching the food: if tongs are provided, why on earth would you not use them?

    PS Hello Pomona - good to see you! 🙂
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Firenze wrote: »
    'On the whole I don't think people, animals and food should be in the same enclosed space.
    So no dogs or cats in houses, or at least in kitchens of houses, then?

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