You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
Not all of them but many do. Why do you think they're is such division In the Church?
There isn't division in the Church because of a belief in an incarnation of God that appeared in 1980. How do disagreements on sexuality, racism, gender etc relate to that?
Those are different reasons why there’s division in the church, but the main reason is around who “Jesus” is and his true power on earth.
But nobody in the Church thinks that there's an incarnation of God that is a human on Earth now. Nor do any Christians think that the incarnation of God is related to creation or space-time in the way you suggest it is.
Even Christians who think that Jesus was an ordinary human don't think that some other human was the incarnation of God, they just don't believe that anyone is the human incarnation of God.
You don't seem to be saying that your role is a Messianic one. Even Christians who believe that Jesus was purely human believe that Jesus played a Messianic role - an Incarnation who is not the Messiah is utterly pointless within a Christian worldview.
Well, if you want to continue to think that Christians believe a man that died 2000 years ago is in heaven now at the right seat of the father, waiting to judge the world and bring forth a new heaven and new Earth (whatever that means), then be my guest.
Some aspects of this thread seem appropriate to the discussion of a cosmology that depends on the concept of endless recurrence (aka eternal return). But less cynically…
Thinking about the consequences of living with endless recurrence (and about films/movies), Groundhog Day comes to mind, only without the ending (which means eternally waking up to Sonny & Cher's I got you babe).
Endless recurrence can occur on a wide range of timescales. From the single day of Groundhog Day, to the single lifetime of godincarnateme, to the roughly 26,000 years of a precessional Great Year.
In Groundhog Day, the thing that changes from cycle to cycle is the attitude of the initially cynical protagonist, Phil Connors. Everyone else is oblivious. But even without the awareness of the repeated cycles, or the memories of previous cycles, just the knowledge that one is living in an endlessly recurring cycle of life can be transformative.
Even if we don't accept it as a hypothesis, we can look at it as a thought experiment - if we had to live the same day or life, over and over again, how would we live it to the fullest? How could we have the most positive attitude towards, and acceptance of, everything that happens?
Some aspects of this thread seem appropriate to the discussion of a cosmology that depends on the concept of endless recurrence (aka eternal return). But less cynically…
Thinking about the consequences of living with endless recurrence (and about films/movies), Groundhog Day comes to mind, only without the ending (which means eternally waking up to Sonny & Cher's I got you babe).
Endless recurrence can occur on a wide range of timescales. From the single day of Groundhog Day, to the single lifetime of godincarnateme, to the roughly 26,000 years of a precessional Great Year.
In Groundhog Day, the thing that changes from cycle to cycle is the attitude of the initially cynical protagonist, Phil Connors. Everyone else is oblivious. But even without the awareness of the repeated cycles, or the memories of previous cycles, just the knowledge that one is living in an endlessly recurring cycle of life can be transformative.
Even if we don't accept it as a hypothesis, we can look at it as a thought experiment - if we had to live the same day or life, over and over again, how would we live it to the fullest? How could we have the most positive attitude towards, and acceptance of, everything that happens?
Nietzsche wrestled with this very conundrum with his doctrine of eternal recurrence. His was an even more severe notion because his doctrine posits that there would be no changes - not situational nor attitudinal - so what-if? His answer was the eternal YES - that life for its own sake, for better or worse or worst, beats the alternative in any and all ways shapes and forms.
I was very uncomfortable with that idea but couldn't dismiss it altogether because as fatalistic as it is, IMO it beat nihilism. So I asked myself if this were indeed the case, how would one go about breaking out? The answer that came to me was that the YES was the key. What we resist persists.
But still the question remained - how can I not just consent to what-is but shout an enthusiastic YES! to everything that is vicious, stupid, heinous, dishonest, depraved, degenerate, malicious, woeful, spiteful, self indulgent, disgusting, and full of anguish and suffering? Because as carefully as we may make our decisions we are bound to have one or more of these experiences.
The answer came to me - remember Adam and Eve? That was you. And your Adam. That is the story of every human being. This is the experience. This is what it means to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The story we are told paints this reality as a generational curse, but the Apple was really the ticket to an incredible journey that cost us everything and will bring us again to the foot of the Tree of Eternal Life. As long as we believe what-is is a curse and an evil, we will never break free of the reality that we create with this conviction.
@godincarnateme what does the average day in the life of God incarnate look like? Does your family of origin know about your identity, and what do they think of it? Do you have a regular job, a partner, a pet?
@godincarnateme what does the average day in the life of God incarnate look like? Does your family of origin know about your identity, and what do they think of it? Do you have a regular job, a partner, a pet?
Yes, @godincarnateme if you really are who you are presenting yourself to be, @Pomona's questions are hugely important. Without knowing more about you, and your life, how can your followers emulate you?
Shoul we all go out and get a dog? Or a cat? or something more exotic like a Vietnamese Pot-bellied Pig - or are those treyf?
@godincarnateme what does the average day in the life of God incarnate look like? Does your family of origin know about your identity, and what do they think of it? Do you have a regular job, a partner, a pet?
Do you want to know the color of my underwear too? And no, they’re not brown haha
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But still the question remained - how can I not just consent to what-is but shout an enthusiastic YES! to everything that is vicious, stupid, heinous, dishonest, depraved, degenerate, malicious, woeful, spiteful, self indulgent, disgusting, and full of anguish and suffering? Because as carefully as we may make our decisions we are bound to have one or more of these experiences.
This YES sounds like Nietzsche's amor fati - the "yea-saying to life" of The Gay Science.
The answer came to me - remember Adam and Eve? That was you. And your Adam. That is the story of every human being. This is the experience. This is what it means to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The story we are told paints this reality as a generational curse, but the Apple was really the ticket to an incredible journey that cost us everything and will bring us again to the foot of the Tree of Eternal Life. As long as we believe what-is is a curse and an evil, we will never break free of the reality that we create with this conviction.
Nice!
Apologies if I'm misconstruing, but this suggests to me that the journey to immortality passes through both the tempting offer of prescribed morality, as well as its subsequent rejection.
Some aspects of this thread seem appropriate to the discussion of a cosmology that depends on the concept of endless recurrence (aka eternal return). But less cynically…
Thinking about the consequences of living with endless recurrence (and about films/movies), Groundhog Day comes to mind, only without the ending (which means eternally waking up to Sonny & Cher's I got you babe).
Endless recurrence can occur on a wide range of timescales. From the single day of Groundhog Day, to the single lifetime of godincarnateme, to the roughly 26,000 years of a precessional Great Year.
In Groundhog Day, the thing that changes from cycle to cycle is the attitude of the initially cynical protagonist, Phil Connors. Everyone else is oblivious. But even without the awareness of the repeated cycles, or the memories of previous cycles, just the knowledge that one is living in an endlessly recurring cycle of life can be transformative.
Even if we don't accept it as a hypothesis, we can look at it as a thought experiment - if we had to live the same day or life, over and over again, how would we live it to the fullest? How could we have the most positive attitude towards, and acceptance of, everything that happens?
That wrestled with this very conundrum with his doctrine of eternal recurrence. His was an even more severe notion because his doctrine posits that there would be no changes - not situational nor attitudinal - so what-if? His answer was the eternal YES - that life for its own sake, for better or worse or worst, beats the alternative in any and all ways shapes and forms.
I was very uncomfortable with that idea but couldn't dismiss it altogether because as fatalistic as it is, IMO it beat nihilism. So I asked myself if this were indeed the case, how would one go about breaking out? The answer that came to me was that the YES was the key. What we resist persists.
But still the question remained - how can I not just consent to what-is but shout an enthusiastic YES! to everything that is vicious, stupid, heinous, dishonest, depraved, degenerate, malicious, woeful, spiteful, self indulgent, disgusting, and full of anguish and suffering? Because as carefully as we may make our decisions we are bound to have one or more of these experiences.
The answer came to me - remember Adam and Eve? That was you. And your Adam. That is the story of every human being. This is the experience. This is what it means to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The story we are told paints this reality as a generational curse, but the Apple was really the ticket to an incredible journey that cost us everything and will bring us again to the foot of the Tree of Eternal Life. As long as we believe what-is is a curse and an evil, we will never break free of the reality that we create with this conviction.
AFF
I first learned of eternal return and Nietzsche's thoughts about it 15 years after I had my revelation.
I was astonished to find, earlier today, that this bizarre thread is now running at five pages.
I have oodles of sympathy for the poor Hosts having to wade through all the posts. There is, however, ISTM a possibility of someone opening a thread about re-incarnation in general, and how it relates to the Christian faith - I am not a suitable person to open such a thread, but I might welcome a rational (and not delusional) discussion. My brother believes in re-incarnation, and our late mother was, successively, a Christian, a Buddhist, and a Pagan...
Meanwhile, I'm tempted to declare myself as the incarnation of Dread Lord Cthulhu, to rise up from my dreaming in R'lyeh, and to devour this upstart god-incarnate person body and soul...
Some aspects of this thread seem appropriate to the discussion of a cosmology that depends on the concept of endless recurrence (aka eternal return). But less cynically…
Thinking about the consequences of living with endless recurrence (and about films/movies), Groundhog Day comes to mind, only without the ending (which means eternally waking up to Sonny & Cher's I got you babe).
Endless recurrence can occur on a wide range of timescales. From the single day of Groundhog Day, to the single lifetime of godincarnateme, to the roughly 26,000 years of a precessional Great Year.
In Groundhog Day, the thing that changes from cycle to cycle is the attitude of the initially cynical protagonist, Phil Connors. Everyone else is oblivious. But even without the awareness of the repeated cycles, or the memories of previous cycles, just the knowledge that one is living in an endlessly recurring cycle of life can be transformative.
Even if we don't accept it as a hypothesis, we can look at it as a thought experiment - if we had to live the same day or life, over and over again, how would we live it to the fullest? How could we have the most positive attitude towards, and acceptance of, everything that happens?
That wrestled with this very conundrum with his doctrine of eternal recurrence. His was an even more severe notion because his doctrine posits that there would be no changes - not situational nor attitudinal - so what-if? His answer was the eternal YES - that life for its own sake, for better or worse or worst, beats the alternative in any and all ways shapes and forms.
I was very uncomfortable with that idea but couldn't dismiss it altogether because as fatalistic as it is, IMO it beat nihilism. So I asked myself if this were indeed the case, how would one go about breaking out? The answer that came to me was that the YES was the key. What we resist persists.
But still the question remained - how can I not just consent to what-is but shout an enthusiastic YES! to everything that is vicious, stupid, heinous, dishonest, depraved, degenerate, malicious, woeful, spiteful, self indulgent, disgusting, and full of anguish and suffering? Because as carefully as we may make our decisions we are bound to have one or more of these experiences.
The answer came to me - remember Adam and Eve? That was you. And your Adam. That is the story of every human being. This is the experience. This is what it means to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The story we are told paints this reality as a generational curse, but the Apple was really the ticket to an incredible journey that cost us everything and will bring us again to the foot of the Tree of Eternal Life. As long as we believe what-is is a curse and an evil, we will never break free of the reality that we create with this conviction.
AFF
I first learned of eternal return and Nietzsche's thoughts about it 15 years after I had my revelation.
Some aspects of this thread seem appropriate to the discussion of a cosmology that depends on the concept of endless recurrence (aka eternal return). But less cynically…
Thinking about the consequences of living with endless recurrence (and about films/movies), Groundhog Day comes to mind, only without the ending (which means eternally waking up to Sonny & Cher's I got you babe).
Endless recurrence can occur on a wide range of timescales. From the single day of Groundhog Day, to the single lifetime of godincarnateme, to the roughly 26,000 years of a precessional Great Year.
In Groundhog Day, the thing that changes from cycle to cycle is the attitude of the initially cynical protagonist, Phil Connors. Everyone else is oblivious. But even without the awareness of the repeated cycles, or the memories of previous cycles, just the knowledge that one is living in an endlessly recurring cycle of life can be transformative.
Even if we don't accept it as a hypothesis, we can look at it as a thought experiment - if we had to live the same day or life, over and over again, how would we live it to the fullest? How could we have the most positive attitude towards, and acceptance of, everything that happens?
That wrestled with this very conundrum with his doctrine of eternal recurrence. His was an even more severe notion because his doctrine posits that there would be no changes - not situational nor attitudinal - so what-if? His answer was the eternal YES - that life for its own sake, for better or worse or worst, beats the alternative in any and all ways shapes and forms.
I was very uncomfortable with that idea but couldn't dismiss it altogether because as fatalistic as it is, IMO it beat nihilism. So I asked myself if this were indeed the case, how would one go about breaking out? The answer that came to me was that the YES was the key. What we resist persists.
But still the question remained - how can I not just consent to what-is but shout an enthusiastic YES! to everything that is vicious, stupid, heinous, dishonest, depraved, degenerate, malicious, woeful, spiteful, self indulgent, disgusting, and full of anguish and suffering? Because as carefully as we may make our decisions we are bound to have one or more of these experiences.
The answer came to me - remember Adam and Eve? That was you. And your Adam. That is the story of every human being. This is the experience. This is what it means to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The story we are told paints this reality as a generational curse, but the Apple was really the ticket to an incredible journey that cost us everything and will bring us again to the foot of the Tree of Eternal Life. As long as we believe what-is is a curse and an evil, we will never break free of the reality that we create with this conviction.
AFF
I first learned of eternal return and Nietzsche's thoughts about it 15 years after I had my revelation.
I was astonished to find, earlier today, that this bizarre thread is now running at five pages.
I have oodles of sympathy for the poor Hosts having to wade through all the posts. There is, however, ISTM a possibility of someone opening a thread about re-incarnation in general, and how it relates to the Christian faith - I am not a suitable person to open such a thread, but I might welcome a rational (and not delusional) discussion. My brother believes in re-incarnation, and our late mother was, successively, a Christian, a Buddhist, and a Pagan...
Meanwhile, I'm tempted to declare myself as the incarnation of Dread Lord Cthulhu, to rise up from my dreaming in R'lyeh, and to devour this upstart god-incarnate person body and soul...
I was astonished to find, earlier today, that this bizarre thread is now running at five pages.
I have oodles of sympathy for the poor Hosts having to wade through all the posts. There is, however, ISTM a possibility of someone opening a thread about re-incarnation in general, and how it relates to the Christian faith - I am not a suitable person to open such a thread, but I might welcome a rational (and not delusional) discussion. My brother believes in re-incarnation, and our late mother was, successively, a Christian, a Buddhist, and a Pagan...
Meanwhile, I'm tempted to declare myself as the incarnation of Dread Lord Cthulhu, to rise up from my dreaming in R'lyeh, and to devour this upstart god-incarnate person body and soul...
Well, I might be. How would you know otherwise?
you actually think the moderators read all the comments? Lol. They rely on people reporting inappropriate content.
Some aspects of this thread seem appropriate to the discussion of a cosmology that depends on the concept of endless recurrence (aka eternal return). But less cynically…
Thinking about the consequences of living with endless recurrence (and about films/movies), Groundhog Day comes to mind, only without the ending (which means eternally waking up to Sonny & Cher's I got you babe).
Endless recurrence can occur on a wide range of timescales. From the single day of Groundhog Day, to the single lifetime of godincarnateme, to the roughly 26,000 years of a precessional Great Year.
In Groundhog Day, the thing that changes from cycle to cycle is the attitude of the initially cynical protagonist, Phil Connors. Everyone else is oblivious. But even without the awareness of the repeated cycles, or the memories of previous cycles, just the knowledge that one is living in an endlessly recurring cycle of life can be transformative.
Even if we don't accept it as a hypothesis, we can look at it as a thought experiment - if we had to live the same day or life, over and over again, how would we live it to the fullest? How could we have the most positive attitude towards, and acceptance of, everything that happens?
That wrestled with this very conundrum with his doctrine of eternal recurrence. His was an even more severe notion because his doctrine posits that there would be no changes - not situational nor attitudinal - so what-if? His answer was the eternal YES - that life for its own sake, for better or worse or worst, beats the alternative in any and all ways shapes and forms.
I was very uncomfortable with that idea but couldn't dismiss it altogether because as fatalistic as it is, IMO it beat nihilism. So I asked myself if this were indeed the case, how would one go about breaking out? The answer that came to me was that the YES was the key. What we resist persists.
But still the question remained - how can I not just consent to what-is but shout an enthusiastic YES! to everything that is vicious, stupid, heinous, dishonest, depraved, degenerate, malicious, woeful, spiteful, self indulgent, disgusting, and full of anguish and suffering? Because as carefully as we may make our decisions we are bound to have one or more of these experiences.
The answer came to me - remember Adam and Eve? That was you. And your Adam. That is the story of every human being. This is the experience. This is what it means to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The story we are told paints this reality as a generational curse, but the Apple was really the ticket to an incredible journey that cost us everything and will bring us again to the foot of the Tree of Eternal Life. As long as we believe what-is is a curse and an evil, we will never break free of the reality that we create with this conviction.
AFF
I first learned of eternal return and Nietzsche's thoughts about it 15 years after I had my revelation.
Funny. I learned of it in 1979.
AFF
It is a realistic memory, isn’t it?
I don't think you understand what memory is. Speaking of memory, if you are who you say you are then you will remember that we have met twice before and you would be able to tell me where and when that was.
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But still the question remained - how can I not just consent to what-is but shout an enthusiastic YES! to everything that is vicious, stupid, heinous, dishonest, depraved, degenerate, malicious, woeful, spiteful, self indulgent, disgusting, and full of anguish and suffering? Because as carefully as we may make our decisions we are bound to have one or more of these experiences.
This YES sounds like Nietzsche's amor fati - the "yea-saying to life" of The Gay Science.
I came upon it in Also Sprach Zarathustra but I believe it's the same concept.
The answer came to me - remember Adam and Eve? That was you. And your Adam. That is the story of every human being. This is the experience. This is what it means to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The story we are told paints this reality as a generational curse, but the Apple was really the ticket to an incredible journey that cost us everything and will bring us again to the foot of the Tree of Eternal Life. As long as we believe what-is is a curse and an evil, we will never break free of the reality that we create with this conviction.
Nice!
Apologies if I'm misconstruing, but this suggests to me that the journey to immortality passes through both the tempting offer of prescribed morality, as well as its subsequent rejection.
Well not exactly because morality is definitely a thing and rejecting it, like Nietzsche suggested it might be "good" to do, isn't the actual answer to the ills that beset us when we descended into the dream-state of consciousness that the Apple induced.
The way I see it is the fruit of the Tree of Eternal Life is like the antidote to the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It's like, when we have finally had all the experiences this dream-state offers in this sphere of being, and have truly come to understand that all experience is an expression of Love, we will wake up at the foot of the Tree of Eternal Life and eat its fruit and return to the dimesnional sphere from whence we originated.
Christ just made the way shorter and more direct for us, if that's what we want.
@godincarnateme what does the average day in the life of God incarnate look like? Does your family of origin know about your identity, and what do they think of it? Do you have a regular job, a partner, a pet?
Do you want to know the color of my underwear too? And no, they’re not brown haha
No, but I am curious about what someone who claims to be God incarnate does all day. In the same way that Christians are naturally interested in the life of Jesus. Why wouldn't it be interesting?
@godincarnateme what does the average day in the life of God incarnate look like? Does your family of origin know about your identity, and what do they think of it? Do you have a regular job, a partner, a pet?
Do you want to know the color of my underwear too? And no, they’re not brown haha
No, but I am curious about what someone who claims to be God incarnate does all day. In the same way that Christians are naturally interested in the life of Jesus. Why wouldn't it be interesting?
Read the page titled musings 1 & 2 on my website. I talk about Some parts of my life
@godincarnateme what does the average day in the life of God incarnate look like? Does your family of origin know about your identity, and what do they think of it? Do you have a regular job, a partner, a pet?
Do you want to know the color of my underwear too? And no, they’re not brown haha
No, but I am curious about what someone who claims to be God incarnate does all day. In the same way that Christians are naturally interested in the life of Jesus. Why wouldn't it be interesting?
read the page titled funny on my website too to learn more about my life
@godincarnateme what does the average day in the life of God incarnate look like? Does your family of origin know about your identity, and what do they think of it? Do you have a regular job, a partner, a pet?
Do you want to know the color of my underwear too? And no, they’re not brown haha
No, but I am curious about what someone who claims to be God incarnate does all day. In the same way that Christians are naturally interested in the life of Jesus. Why wouldn't it be interesting?
Read the page titled musings 1 & 2 on my website. I talk about Some parts of my life
I have already read your website. You don't mention what your family of origin thinks of your identity, or what you do for a living. How does God incarnate make ends meet?
@godincarnateme what does the average day in the life of God incarnate look like? Does your family of origin know about your identity, and what do they think of it? Do you have a regular job, a partner, a pet?
Do you want to know the color of my underwear too? And no, they’re not brown haha
No, but I am curious about what someone who claims to be God incarnate does all day. In the same way that Christians are naturally interested in the life of Jesus. Why wouldn't it be interesting?
Read the page titled musings 1 & 2 on my website. I talk about Some parts of my life
I have already read your website. You don't mention what your family of origin thinks of your identity,
family wouldn't believe me. so no point in telling them.
@godincarnateme what does the average day in the life of God incarnate look like? Does your family of origin know about your identity, and what do they think of it? Do you have a regular job, a partner, a pet?
Do you want to know the color of my underwear too? And no, they’re not brown haha
No, but I am curious about what someone who claims to be God incarnate does all day. In the same way that Christians are naturally interested in the life of Jesus. Why wouldn't it be interesting?
Read the page titled musings 1 & 2 on my website. I talk about Some parts of my life
That our revelations precede learning any related information isn't unusual.
I’m aware. Just thought I’d throw that out there.
Well - yes - it is the kind of thing that strikes you at the time.
Taking what you say about yourself at face value, it seems that what you've demonstrated is that your existence as God incarnate is necessary for the endless recurrence of all our existences. Other than we may all find peace, clarity, and joy in our lives, is there more that we should be taking on board?
Reading your musings, I was taken by what you wrote about missing the mountains back home.
I was astonished to find, earlier today, that this bizarre thread is now running at five pages.
I have oodles of sympathy for the poor Hosts having to wade through all the posts. There is, however, ISTM a possibility of someone opening a thread about re-incarnation in general, and how it relates to the Christian faith - I am not a suitable person to open such a thread, but I might welcome a rational (and not delusional) discussion. My brother believes in re-incarnation, and our late mother was, successively, a Christian, a Buddhist, and a Pagan...
Meanwhile, I'm tempted to declare myself as the incarnation of Dread Lord Cthulhu, to rise up from my dreaming in R'lyeh, and to devour this upstart god-incarnate person body and soul...
Well, I might be. How would you know otherwise?
you actually think the moderators read all the comments? Lol. They rely on people reporting inappropriate content.
FWIW @godincarnateme, the hosts do indeed read every post on our assigned boards.
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Apologies if I'm misconstruing, but this suggests to me that the journey to immortality passes through both the tempting offer of prescribed morality, as well as its subsequent rejection.
Well not exactly because morality is definitely a thing and rejecting it, like Nietzsche suggested it might be "good" to do, isn't the actual answer to the ills that beset us when we descended into the dream-state of consciousness that the Apple induced.
The way I see it is the fruit of the Tree of Eternal Life is like the antidote to the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It's like, when we have finally had all the experiences this dream-state offers in this sphere of being, and have truly come to understand that all experience is an expression of Love, we will wake up at the foot of the Tree of Eternal Life and eat its fruit and return to the dimesnional sphere from whence we originated.
Christ just made the way shorter and more direct for us, if that's what we want.
Thanks - with you now. Afraid I failed to see the theist/essentialist perspective. (I was still thinking about Nietzsche's secular/existentialist perspective). Sorry.
I am going to post a general reminder to all posters that this thread is in Purgatory not Hell, please engage with each other in accordance with the Purgatory guidelines - which are linked at the top of the forum.
Actually, if it's true that on your death all of existence will reset to 1980 then that means the infant* me will be reborn. So I will live as many times as you do, right?
I must say, I'm kinda looking forward to reliving the late '90s again. I got so much action back then...
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*= either 1 or 2 years old, depending on the exact date in 1980 when it happens.
Actually, if it's true that on your death all of existence will reset to 1980 then that means the infant* me will be reborn. So I will live as many times as you do, right?
I must say, I'm kinda looking forward to reliving the late '90s again. I got so much action back then...
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*= either 1 or 2 years old, depending on the exact date in 1980 when it happens.
Yes, you and everybody and everything else is coming with me. Lol
Yeah cycles repeat, but we don’t remember them so essentially you only live once.
What a horrible thought, reliving the 90s! (We spent most of them fixing various emergency situations, bleah!)
I spent the early 90s in a decaying and emotionally-abusive marriage, the middle part getting divorced and bouncing back from that, and the later part getting remarried and becoming Orthodox. It was a tumultuous decade, to be sure.
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Thinking about the consequences of living with endless recurrence (and about films/movies), Groundhog Day comes to mind, only without the ending (which means eternally waking up to Sonny & Cher's I got you babe).
Endless recurrence can occur on a wide range of timescales. From the single day of Groundhog Day, to the single lifetime of godincarnateme, to the roughly 26,000 years of a precessional Great Year.
In Groundhog Day, the thing that changes from cycle to cycle is the attitude of the initially cynical protagonist, Phil Connors. Everyone else is oblivious. But even without the awareness of the repeated cycles, or the memories of previous cycles, just the knowledge that one is living in an endlessly recurring cycle of life can be transformative.
Even if we don't accept it as a hypothesis, we can look at it as a thought experiment - if we had to live the same day or life, over and over again, how would we live it to the fullest? How could we have the most positive attitude towards, and acceptance of, everything that happens?
Nietzsche wrestled with this very conundrum with his doctrine of eternal recurrence. His was an even more severe notion because his doctrine posits that there would be no changes - not situational nor attitudinal - so what-if? His answer was the eternal YES - that life for its own sake, for better or worse or worst, beats the alternative in any and all ways shapes and forms.
I was very uncomfortable with that idea but couldn't dismiss it altogether because as fatalistic as it is, IMO it beat nihilism. So I asked myself if this were indeed the case, how would one go about breaking out? The answer that came to me was that the YES was the key. What we resist persists.
But still the question remained - how can I not just consent to what-is but shout an enthusiastic YES! to everything that is vicious, stupid, heinous, dishonest, depraved, degenerate, malicious, woeful, spiteful, self indulgent, disgusting, and full of anguish and suffering? Because as carefully as we may make our decisions we are bound to have one or more of these experiences.
The answer came to me - remember Adam and Eve? That was you. And your Adam. That is the story of every human being. This is the experience. This is what it means to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The story we are told paints this reality as a generational curse, but the Apple was really the ticket to an incredible journey that cost us everything and will bring us again to the foot of the Tree of Eternal Life. As long as we believe what-is is a curse and an evil, we will never break free of the reality that we create with this conviction.
AFF
Shoul we all go out and get a dog? Or a cat? or something more exotic like a Vietnamese Pot-bellied Pig - or are those treyf?
Do you want to know the color of my underwear too? And no, they’re not brown haha
Nice!
Apologies if I'm misconstruing, but this suggests to me that the journey to immortality passes through both the tempting offer of prescribed morality, as well as its subsequent rejection.
I first learned of eternal return and Nietzsche's thoughts about it 15 years after I had my revelation.
I have oodles of sympathy for the poor Hosts having to wade through all the posts. There is, however, ISTM a possibility of someone opening a thread about re-incarnation in general, and how it relates to the Christian faith - I am not a suitable person to open such a thread, but I might welcome a rational (and not delusional) discussion. My brother believes in re-incarnation, and our late mother was, successively, a Christian, a Buddhist, and a Pagan...
Meanwhile, I'm tempted to declare myself as the incarnation of Dread Lord Cthulhu, to rise up from my dreaming in R'lyeh, and to devour this upstart god-incarnate person body and soul...
Well, I might be. How would you know otherwise?
Funny. I learned of it in 1979.
AFF
It is a realistic memory, isn’t it?
Oh but reincarnation isn’t delusional? Hahaha
I’m aware. Just thought I’d throw that out there.
you actually think the moderators read all the comments? Lol. They rely on people reporting inappropriate content.
Your story has become tiresome.
i agree. This thread is just about over
I don't think you understand what memory is. Speaking of memory, if you are who you say you are then you will remember that we have met twice before and you would be able to tell me where and when that was.
AFF
you actually think the moderators read all the comments? Lol.
Yes, we do.
And we also check out all links. I've nor read all of your website, but I have skimmed over it.
North East Quine, long suffering Purgatory host.
Add a report button save yourself some time.
I came upon it in Also Sprach Zarathustra but I believe it's the same concept.
Well not exactly because morality is definitely a thing and rejecting it, like Nietzsche suggested it might be "good" to do, isn't the actual answer to the ills that beset us when we descended into the dream-state of consciousness that the Apple induced.
The way I see it is the fruit of the Tree of Eternal Life is like the antidote to the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It's like, when we have finally had all the experiences this dream-state offers in this sphere of being, and have truly come to understand that all experience is an expression of Love, we will wake up at the foot of the Tree of Eternal Life and eat its fruit and return to the dimesnional sphere from whence we originated.
Christ just made the way shorter and more direct for us, if that's what we want.
AFF
No, but I am curious about what someone who claims to be God incarnate does all day. In the same way that Christians are naturally interested in the life of Jesus. Why wouldn't it be interesting?
Read the page titled musings 1 & 2 on my website. I talk about Some parts of my life
read the page titled funny on my website too to learn more about my life
I have already read your website. You don't mention what your family of origin thinks of your identity, or what you do for a living. How does God incarnate make ends meet?
family wouldn't believe me. so no point in telling them.
im an artist
Taking what you say about yourself at face value, it seems that what you've demonstrated is that your existence as God incarnate is necessary for the endless recurrence of all our existences. Other than we may all find peace, clarity, and joy in our lives, is there more that we should be taking on board?
Reading your musings, I was taken by what you wrote about missing the mountains back home.
Well that's the first thing you've said that squares with your claim. Because artists are God - they create something out of nothing.
But it would mean that there's more than one of you running around out here ...
AFF
cool
FWIW @godincarnateme, the hosts do indeed read every post on our assigned boards.
la vie en rouge, Purgatory host
ETA sorry, I see @North East Quine got there first.
Thank you,
Doublethink, Admin
This is a good way to thwart the emergence of any maryolatry-type tendencies in your movement.
Not meaningless, just not scientific/objective and subject to experiment with a clear and defined outcome.
Actually, if it's true that on your death all of existence will reset to 1980 then that means the infant* me will be reborn. So I will live as many times as you do, right?
I must say, I'm kinda looking forward to reliving the late '90s again. I got so much action back then...
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*= either 1 or 2 years old, depending on the exact date in 1980 when it happens.
Yes, you and everybody and everything else is coming with me. Lol
Yeah cycles repeat, but we don’t remember them so essentially you only live once.
I spent the early 90s in a decaying and emotionally-abusive marriage, the middle part getting divorced and bouncing back from that, and the later part getting remarried and becoming Orthodox. It was a tumultuous decade, to be sure.