General Discussion on Pope Leo

We have had discussions on Pope Leo and Patriarch Bartholemew praying together. We have also had one on Leo and King Charles Praying together. And then there was one of how Leo and Lutheran ELCA Bishop Curry came from the same neighborhood, or there abouts.

I just thought I would place a general thread up on the activities of Pope Leo so we can refer back to it from time to time and add things as they come up.

Like the appointment of Bishop Ronald Hicks as the new Archbishop of New York, replacing Archbishop Dolan. Dolan has long been considered quite conservative. Hicks is a man of a different cloth Hicks has a strong record of supporting the Immigrant communities within the Chicago area. This looks like another poke at Trump. On the other hand Hicks will take on the largest settlement of the sex scandals that have plagued the Roman Church.

Should I mention Hicks grew up 14 blocks from where Leo grew up. Hicks himself said they used to play in the same parks and went to the same swimming pools? Naw, I will not get into that. https://www.ncregister.com/cna/new-new-york-archbishop-ronald-hicks

Leo is going to be around a while. I think we should have a thread dedicated to him

Comments

  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited December 20
    There seems to be some speculative murmuring that putting one of Trump's fellow Americans on the throne was some Eff You Brezhnev 1978-style move on the part of the cardinals.

    For complicated socioeconomic reasons, the RCC has a material interest in promoting migration from the global south to the global north, so I wouldn't neccessarily read too much into Leo XIV's defense of freer movement. Having the criticism coming from an American, not to mention one hailing from a pop-culture friendly city like Chicago, celebrated for its blue-collar ethnic panache, does add a bit of a dramatic undertone to the proceedings.
  • I think for simple “caring for those in trouble” reasons, the RCC has an interest in the welfare of refugees from the global south and everywhere else.
  • Early days yet, I think, for a dedicated +++Leo thread.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    I believe he has just appointed a new Cardinal of Westminster - Richard Moth, someone more au fait with UK RC doings might be able to say more
  • I believe he has just appointed a new Cardinal of Westminster - Richard Moth, someone more au fait with UK RC doings might be able to say more

    With a name like that he was always going to be well up the candle.
  • And a muzumbu, no less
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    I believe he has just appointed a new Cardinal of Westminster - Richard Moth, someone more au fait with UK RC doings might be able to say more

    The Bishops' lead on Social Action, and heavily involved with prisons. Was Bishop of the Armed Forces so travelled to Afghanistan etc.
    An interesting choice.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    I think for simple “caring for those in trouble” reasons, the RCC has an interest in the welfare of refugees from the global south and everywhere else.

    Sure. But it also doesn't hurt that in the USA, Catholicism has historically been a faith favoured by new-stock immigrants, who might a) send remittances back to the struggling economies of their often Catholic-majority homelands, and b) infuse American parishes with numbers not generally provided by the more indifferent native-born persuadees.
  • The pope has appointed a new archbishop for Westminster. He may or may not appoint the archbishop a cardinal later.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Forthview wrote: »
    The pope has appointed a new archbishop for Westminster. He may or may not appoint the archbishop a cardinal later.

    There are already more English cardinals than at any point in history, so maybe he will wait for one to pass on first. Three of the four are 80+.
  • Alan29 wrote: »
    Forthview wrote: »
    The pope has appointed a new archbishop for Westminster. He may or may not appoint the archbishop a cardinal later.

    There are already more English cardinals than at any point in history, so maybe he will wait for one to pass on first. Three of the four are 80+.

    Interesting. The retirement age for Catholic cardinals is 75 years old. According to Canon 401 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law, all bishops, including cardinals, must submit their resignation to the Pope upon reaching this age. Additionally, a decree from Paul VI established that only cardinals who have not reached the age of 80 can participate in a conclave. However, given Leo's current age, and his vitality, I doubt we will see another conclave for quite some time--God willing.
  • ForthviewForthview Shipmate
    I'm not sure if cardinals have to hand in their red hats when they reach a certain age.
    Certainly they would have to resign their bishoprics or other administrative offices but I think that the title would remain.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Forthview wrote: »
    I'm not sure if cardinals have to hand in their red hats when they reach a certain age.
    Certainly they would have to resign their bishoprics or other administrative offices but I think that the title would remain.

    True, and they are still available for consultations like the one Leo has called in January with all the cardinals. But they can still vote in papal elections up to 80 and Vincent Nichols and Timothy Radcliffe did in Leo's election.
  • IIRC correctly, cardinals who have diocesan appointments are to offer their resignations at 75, but might not have them immediately accepted. They lose their right to vote in conclaves at 80, but I think that they can retain their positions on commissions etc.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    @Gramps49 going back to your opening post, Pope Leo started his life in the US, but has spent much of his ecclesiastical career in Peru where he was eventually a bishop. He has not actually lived in the USA since at least 1985, and is now the leader of a church that sees itself as universal. How sure are you that he sees the appointment of an archbishop of New York through quite the same eyes or with quite the same preoccupations as US Catholics might, yet alone US Lutherans?

  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    I think for simple “caring for those in trouble” reasons, the RCC has an interest in the welfare of refugees from the global south and everywhere else.

    Sure. But it also doesn't hurt that in the USA, Catholicism has historically been a faith favoured by new-stock immigrants, who might a) send remittances back to the struggling economies of their often Catholic-majority homelands, and b) infuse American parishes with numbers not generally provided by the more indifferent native-born persuadees.

    Indeed. According to Pew Research, "More than four-in-ten U.S. Catholics are immigrants (29%) or the children of immigrants (14%)" (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/04/10-facts-about-us-catholics/). Immigrants are literally their people.
  • ForthviewForthview Shipmate
    Of course most of the 'native born persuadees' would have also been of immigrant stock just a generation or so further back.
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    I think for simple “caring for those in trouble” reasons, the RCC has an interest in the welfare of refugees from the global south and everywhere else.

    Sure. But it also doesn't hurt that in the USA, Catholicism has historically been a faith favoured by new-stock immigrants, who might a) send remittances back to the struggling economies of their often Catholic-majority homelands, and b) infuse American parishes with numbers not generally provided by the more indifferent native-born persuadees.

    Maybe, but I don’t really see a need to drag in ulterior motives when basic Christian morality in a time of extreme cruelty toward the weak and downtrodden explains it well enough.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    I think for simple “caring for those in trouble” reasons, the RCC has an interest in the welfare of refugees from the global south and everywhere else.

    Sure. But it also doesn't hurt that in the USA, Catholicism has historically been a faith favoured by new-stock immigrants, who might a) send remittances back to the struggling economies of their often Catholic-majority homelands, and b) infuse American parishes with numbers not generally provided by the more indifferent native-born persuadees.

    Maybe, but I don’t really see a need to drag in ulterior motives when basic Christian morality in a time of extreme cruelty toward the weak and downtrodden explains it well enough.

    Exactly.
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