Silly Point - the Cricket Thread

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  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    Thanks la vie en rouge.

    First topic: who should be starting in the final test of the Ashes?
    Given Sydney needs a spinner and the closest we have is Bashir, I'd play him, even though I have no confidence in him. Even a mediocre spinner can take wickets at the SCG.
    I would have dropped Jamie Smith and given the gloves to Ollie Pope, but drop him down the order to number 6, giving Bethell another chance at 3. Then that leaves a pace attack of Tongue, Potts, Carse and Stokes.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    I cannot believe they have named Jacks again. On the other hand I think it will be good to give Bashir a chance. So my final XI would be:

    Crawley
    Duckett
    Root
    Brook
    Stokes
    Bethell
    Smith
    Potts
    Carse
    Tongue
    Bashir

    N.B. why will Root not go in at #3? It is unfair on newcomers like Bethell and previously Pope who are forced to occupy that spot when they would be better at #6.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    I mean, when I say it will be good to give Bashir a chance I am assuming that they had reasonable expectation that he would be able to bowl quite well when they selected him. He has bowled acceptably in the past. But if he is really out of form and they know he is not good enough at the moment then they should never have brought him on tour!

    There is no point playing a bad spinner just because you feel you ought to have a spinner. (Exhibit A Ian Salisbury). If you really need the best spinner in England then what you have to do is whatever it takes to persuade Adil Rashid to un-retire from Tests. If that is impossible then just play an all-seam attack with Root for occasional variation.
  • A splendid choice of title, @la vie en rouge !

    I took the opportunity this evening to stroll across the Parks (nearly got locked in which would have been interesting), and took a couple of pics.

    I'm always astounded that a lad from a tiny village with possibly the most inbred team ever (we once put out an 11 with two pairs of brothers, who were cousins to the other pair, and the husband of another cousin), with bowling that put the Village Filth into Village Filth, could somehow end up playing - just once, but once is enough! - on a ground that has been graced by the gods of the game. Me, treading in the footsteps of Grace, Hobbs, Hutton, Verity, Imran Khan.... HTF? So I have a massive soft spot for the place.

    https://flic.kr/p/2rPVDKJ
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    No room in either team for a frontline spinner. Most unusual for the SCG.
    Surprised the Aussies left out Jhye Richardson; he bowled quite nicely at Melbourne.
  • The first time since 18-yes, 1888 Australia haven't played a spinner at Sydney apparently. Meanwhile, Bashir must be thinking about working at the Oktoberfest this year, he's gained so much expertise at carrying the drinks. Yet apparently its a season where spinners are doing well in the Sheffield Shield.

    The weather less of a surprise, though it seems it got brighter before the abandonment. Are the lightning rules too stringent? I certainly wouldn't want to see a game like one I recall on TV where the camera zoomed in on Alan Mullaly's hair all standing on end, and I was shouting at the tele to get them off before somebody got zapped (the heavens opened a minute or two later IIRC) - but is half an hour after the last strike, or the distance criteria too limiting? Bear in mind I have no experience of Australian weather here.
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    Sometimes it's good to be wrong. I've not been in favour of Jacob Bethell being in the side without more first class cricket under his belt. Saw him against India and he looked like a fish out of water.

    But he was excellent today. I hope it's not a one-off, but the start of things to come. It was just a good innings all round.

    I think we're heading for defeat, but unless franchise cricket gets in the way, I expect him to start alongside Josh Tongue at our next match against New Zealand in June.
  • Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie! Oi Oi Oi! For much of the series, though, it was a bit like taking candy off a baby. Looking down the track, England might have paid more attention to the future than Australia has. Bethell and Tongue should be long term fixtures (selectors are a weird breed, so one can't be sure about prognostications like that. And unlike the players whom they select or deselect or overlook, the selectors themselves never seem to pay the price for poor performance).
    Australia's future according to Aussie selectors? Cameron Green, can't bat, bowl or catch.

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  • Can't argue with that, FD. England were comprehensively outplayed, with the exception of that 4th innings in - was it Melbourne?

    I can't help thinking that Stokes & McCullum's love of batting like Travis Head, destroying the bowling from the off, has missed the point that Head played like that largely on his own, if he fell early the rest of the order would knuckle down and get stuck in rather than keeping the pedal to the metal. The Bazball approach was to keep swinging until you were 50-5, then try to rebuild in the lower middle order. England believed their own hype, and paid the price.

    Has Boonie been persuaded to say anything about Noosa? I know he has stopped talking about the legendary flight over, but I can't help thinking that someone must have tried asking him.
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    Though he made not play for England again any time soon, credit has to go Will Jacks for bowling the best ball of the series in the early hours of this morning to dismiss Steve Smith.
    As an off-spinner, it is the dream delivery to a right hander.
  • Sipech wrote: »
    Though he made not play for England again any time soon, credit has to go Will Jacks for bowling the best ball of the series in the early hours of this morning to dismiss Steve Smith.
    As an off-spinner, it is the dream delivery to a right hander.

    You're not wrong, that was an absolute seed!
  • agingjbagingjb Shipmate
    James Anderson was ruled out of this tour over a year ago, and his test career ended. His presence might not have been significant, but you have to wonder, as it turned out, whether he might have, even so, strengthened the English bowling.
  • MPaulMPaul Shipmate
    Australian bowling attack was too classy. England were not helped by injury issues eg to Archer but the series deserved to have 5 pitches that were good to bat on not just one and the fans were cheated of 6-7 days of action. If I had paid to go see it, I would feel that Australian cricket did not set up the tournament well at all.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    The number of dropped catches by England was significant. At least one Test (Perth) might have gone the other way had England caught as well as Australia.
  • England dropped 17 catches in 9 innings allowing Australian batsmen to make an additional 560 runs. Australia weren’t faultless, putting 11 down, but their bowlers were better in every other respect.
    I really think England need to look for a new captain.
  • A new strategy would help. Most cricketers gave up 'just swipe every ball as hard as you can' when they entered puberty.
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    Have been keeping half an eye on the under 19s men's 50 over world cup in Zimbabwe. The final between India and England is currently in progress.

    India have one very scary batter in their lineup. Brilliant throughout the tournament and in the final, Vaibhav Suryavanshi has just hit 175 off 80 balls, including 15 fours and 15 sixes.

    A name to keep an eye on in the coming years.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Sipech wrote: »
    Have been keeping half an eye on the under 19s men's 50 over world cup ...
    The way I read that made me wonder how they could be simultaneously under 19 and over 50 ... 🙃
  • Sipech wrote: »
    India have one very scary batter in their lineup. Brilliant throughout the tournament and in the final, Vaibhav Suryavanshi has just hit 175 off 80 balls, including 15 fours and 15 sixes.

    He's not 15 for another 6 weeks! I'd I were India I would be working out how to keep him keen and fit until he's old enough to make a senior debut. Mind you, he wouldn't be the first subcontinental player to make his Test debut that young.

  • Over in the ICC T20 World Cup 2026, Pakistan is playing USA. One might remember that USA upset Pakistan in the 2024 edition of the tournament, so no chance of Pakistan taking the USA lightly this time!

    At the innings break, Pakistan is 190/9 (20.0), having hit ten 6s, fifteen 4s. We'll see how the USA responds.
  • It was a bit too much for USA. They ended 158/8 (20). Still, it is certainly not an embarrassing result for USA.

    USA started with matches against India and Pakistan. Not surprisingly, both losses. They have matches left against Netherlands and Namibia. There is potential for wins--but nothing I'd want to bet on!
  • While T20 has a bit of a Mickey Mouse feel to the purists, the shortness of the format gives far more room for upsets, especially as one special performance can really turn it. Thus far there have been no absolute creamings, and some of the less fancied teams have done very well - I'm especially looking at Nepal here who gave so close against England.

    I'm also liking the ram-it-in format meaning I can listen to cricket all day. In the past some competitions (I'm looking at you, 2007 World Cup) went on for what felt like months.
  • Oh, I agree T20 is not my favorite version of the sport, but any port in a storm. Especially for the USA team which, as a mere associate member of ICC, is not qualified to play test matches.

    Nor should they be at this point, as the governance structure for cricket in the US is a complete shambles. "USA Cricket" ("USAC") took over from the old "United States of America Cricket Association" (USACA) in 2017 after USACA was expelled from ICC for governance issues.

    And then in September of 2025, USAC was itself suspended by ICC for (among other things)
    failure to create and maintain a "functional governance structure", insufficient progress on USOPC recognition, and "significant actions that have caused reputational damage to cricket in the United States and around the world."
    From Wikipedia

    The USOPC is the Olympic and Paralympic Committee and USAC needed to meet USOPC requirement to allow cricket to be played in the 2028 Summer Olympics. With the suspension of USAC, ICC has taken over management of the US team to allow it to participate in the 2026 T20 World Cup. ICC will also work with USOPC to ensure that the suspension will not impact the ability to stage cricket at the 2028 Summer Olympics. But it doesn't change the fact that the management structure of cricket in the United States is a shambles.
  • ...and England lose to the Windies, which will make the group a bit tastier.

    They are probably not hurting as much right now as Mitchell Marsh, though - from Cricinfo "Marsh suffered a blow to the groin during training earlier this week which has led to testicular bleeding."

    *eyes water*
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Poor chap!!! :flushed:
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    Was he playing silly mid-off?
  • Apparently he was having throwdowns in the nets, which makes one wonder why he used his nuts instead of his bat.
  • Caissa wrote: »
    Was he playing silly mid-off?

    Short leg.
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