War in the Middle East

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  • Barnabas62 wrote: »
    @Alan Cresswell

    You have a point. I’m no fan of Israel. I’m pretty content with Gamaliel’s bad guy summary.

    @WhimsicalChristian

    Trump has made a personal and vicious attack on Pope Leo. He posted on Truth Social (then deleted) a Messianic image of himself. I read a report that he had called the Iranian leadership “deranged scumbags” who he had the honour to kill.

    Do you think this was gutsy behaviour by the President of the United States? Do you think it was truthful? Do you think it was wise?

    Trump is no statesman. He's a businessman through and through.

    He's super politically incorrect.

    His primary weakness IMV is alienating his old allies through his business buffoonery and bravado.

    Greenland was a disaster.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Iran already has quasi-democratic processes, so "any kind" is a bit of a stretch.

    Regime change worked in Germany and Japan in 1945, more or less, but Iran isn't Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan and doesn't justify the enormous price paid in those cases, nor is there an external threat from communism to keep the conquered on side.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    Barnabas62 wrote: »
    I’m really not. Supporting and fostering terrorism is an evil thing. And Iran is the main culprit in the Middle East. That’s a given.
    I'm not sure it is a given. A good argument can be made that Israel is the main culprit, providing the definition of "terrorism" isn't limited to non-state actors. There are regular acts of terrorism committed in the West Bank by settler groups. The current bombing of civilian targets in Lebanon, and the destruction of Gaza over the last couple of years, meets many of the definitions of terrorism.

    It all comes down to whether it is self defence or not doesn't it?

    At least the Israeli government are regularly telling people in Lebanon to leave certain areas where they are targeting Hezbollah.

    You mean they ordered over a million people to move before turning South Lebanon into a free fire zone and blowing up villages?

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2026/03/23/israels-displacement-of-civilians-in-lebanon-is-a-possible-war-crime

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/12/how-israeli-offensive-destroyed-entire-villages-in-lebanon
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    @WhimsicalChristian

    It’s pretty clear he believes in the art of the deal. My concern for ages has been that when it comes to international deals (let’s call them treaties), the logic of business deals simply doesn’t apply. As posted earlier, 24 hours is a ludicrously short time to expect to negotiate a deal with Iran, given the huge differences between the initial positions.

    I’m pretty sure it was Churchill who observed that “Jaw, jaw, jaw is better than war, war, war”.

    In any case, that’s a statesmanlike observation. The best I can say about Trump’s understanding is that it is inferior to statesmanship. He’s impatient for results, prejudiced about those who think different, throws out words like “weak” and “scumbag” without any real thought about their meaning, truth and impact. I don’t know but maybe he really does believe he’s some kind of Jesus-like Messiah.

    These are just some of the reasons why I think he’s hopelessly deluded and increasingly dangerous to the lives of other people. This is the cost of electing someone who is not a statesman, nor has the desire to become one.

    His buffoonery and capacity for alienating friends demonstrate his unsuitability for high office. The disaster in Iran is just the most recent example.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Even business deals aren't sorted in 24h. It takes longer than that to sort out a contract for someone to clean the office once a week.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Sure. Many successful business folks are a lot more patient than the Donald. And more successful than he ever was.

    One of the things I learned from negotiating training was to wait out the impatient.
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