Thank you for naming a thing that has existed in my head for ever!!!
Ha! No problem! The old joke goes something like this: Mozart died and went to heaven. "Welcome!" said God. "From now on you will conduct our heavenly orchestra!" Mozart replied, "Thank you, Lord, but what of Bach?" God answered, "I am Bach."
One of the funniest plays I ever saw was a 2 man show. Bach and Handel were in heaven, Bach had command of the angelic choir and Handel the choir of human souls. The play was a heated argument about which was better, who was being given the greater reward, with snippets of their music being played off stage. It was tremendous.
I think it was called Herr Bach and Mr Handel, but since it was an Edinburgh Festival Fringe show, may never have been seen anywhere else.
Yes, getting back to the topic. I have learned quite a bit from the original discussion. Next time I am at the church I supply I am going to approach the leaders about the canned music idea. Might help them.
But YouTube is problematic. Downloading and saving videos from it violates terms of service, streaming them live runs the risk of suddenly getting interrupted by adverts.
There is certainly lots of Bach available. I tend to source postludes through the CPDL and surprisingly often I see Bach works listed in association with a particular text (I usually try and tie it to the lectionary) and it's only available as a scan of sheet music.
Talking about Bach, I appear to have lost a piece of his that featured on the delightful 1999 animation The Miracle Maker.
We got the DVD for the Gamalielettes but I can't seem to find that either and it wasn't listed on the details I've seen online.
I thought it was from one of the Brandenburg Concertos but it doesn't appear to be. I played my CD of those through the other day just in case.
I don't do 'streaming' and all that. I'm old school.
Can someone help identify it ?
The CD I had must have had a selection of Bach's works but I can't remember which. I'm hopeless at names.
If someone could help 'name that tune' I'd be very grateful. Meanwhile I must sort out my CDs and DVDs as an act of Lenten discipline and I may find it in thr course of that.
My wife helpfully organised some of CDs by composer but I've allowed that system to lapse.
Please make an old man very happy by identifying the name of the piece.
Talking about Bach, I appear to have lost a piece of his that featured on the delightful 1999 animation The Miracle Maker.
We got the DVD for the Gamalielettes but I can't seem to find that either and it wasn't listed on the details I've seen online.
I thought it was from one of the Brandenburg Concertos but it doesn't appear to be. I played my CD of those through the other day just in case.
I don't do 'streaming' and all that. I'm old school.
Can someone help identify it ?
The CD I had must have had a selection of Bach's works but I can't remember which. I'm hopeless at names.
If someone could help 'name that tune' I'd be very grateful. Meanwhile I must sort out my CDs and DVDs as an act of Lenten discipline and I may find it in thr course of that.
My wife helpfully organised some of CDs by composer but I've allowed that system to lapse.
Please make an old man very happy by identifying the name of the piece.
Thanks.
Do you remember whereabouts in the adaptation it was? I've got the DVD and been meaning to watch it for literally years, I might have a look at it later today or tomorrow.
@Gamma Gamaliel Did the piece you remember have a fairly prominent trumpet part? If so, I think the piece you want may be the Sinfonia from the Easter Oratorio, BWV 249. YouTube has a pretty good recording of the whole thing by the Netherlands Bach Society.
If that isn't it, maybe the film took the lengthy introduction from the Adagio, which features a beautiful solo flute part - it is the second track.
I don't think it's on the Miracle Maker. I watched it yesterday (thanks for impelling me to watch it, it's lovely!) and nothing on it sounded like Bach. Also I checked on both IMDB and the DVD info on Amazon and both identified the composer as Anne Dudley.
Yes, but I'm sure the late Mrs Gamaliel identified a particular sequence as being from a piece by Bach and I subsequently heard it on one of her Bach CDs.
I was looking though my DVDs and couldn't find it. The Gamalielettes reminded me that we had it on VHS. So I've rummaged around and found the video. The next thing I need to do is remember how to play it ...
I was sure there were sleeve notes but no. I've done searches too which suggest Anne Dudley composed all the music so either my memory is playing tricks or I'm imagining things.
If I can get the old video recorder to work I'll watch it though and jot down how far into the film it comes.
It may be the lengthy run in from the Adagio but it's not the trumpety bit. More oboes I think, a kind of interlacing theme that develops ...
Hang on ... my memory is jogged mid-typing.
It probably isn't from The Miracle Maker at all but a 1980s cassette recording of an actor/performer reciting John's Gospel.
In which case I've got more rummaging to do.
I'll certainly watch the video. That'll be lovely. Although the elder Gamaliellete says she was traumatised by an innocent 33 year old man being tortured and publicly executed in a horrible way.
I hope we didn't scar her too much.
But that's something none of us should lose sight of.
Anyway, there's nothing for it but to find the ancient cassette tape or else listen to all the Bach CDs until I find it.
Although the elder Gamaliellete says she was traumatised by an innocent 33 year old man being tortured and publicly executed in a horrible way.
/Tangent/ Many years ago my wife taught in a CofE Infants' School. During Holy Week the Curate came in and spoke about the Crucifixion in a very graphic way. The parents, even Christian ones, were up in arms about this. I wonder if him being "High Church" had anything to do with it? /Ends (perhaps)/
It was a barbaric and horrific way to execute someone. We have sanitised it.
Yes, we have, but I doubt the remedy for that is graphically describing it to preschoolers.
5-8 year olds actually - but yes, it was inappropriate.
5–8 year olds are in an Infants’ School? I thought I was stretching it with preschoolers. (As used in my American experience, infants are at most 2 years old; many would say a child who is walking is no longer an infant.)
Different terminology (Pond Difference) I suspect.
Here (UK) we have pre-school/nursery up to about 4, then infants (or Key Stage 1), then juniors (KS2,to 11), then secondary/high school. May be slightly different in Scotland.
Different terminology (Pond Difference) I suspect.
Here (UK) we have pre-school/nursery up to about 4, then infants (or Key Stage 1), then juniors (KS2,to 11), then secondary/high school. May be slightly different in Scotland.
Yes, it’s different here. There may be variations in different parts of the US, but where I am it’s preschool, elementary school (kindergarten–5th grade, roughly 5–11), middle school (grades 6-8, roughly 12-14), and high school (grades 9–12, roughly 15–18).
Although the elder Gamaliellete says she was traumatised by an innocent 33 year old man being tortured and publicly executed in a horrible way.
/Tangent/ Many years ago my wife taught in a CofE Infants' School. During Holy Week the Curate came in and spoke about the Crucifixion in a very graphic way. The parents, even Christian ones, were up in arms about this. I wonder if him being "High Church" had anything to do with it? /Ends (perhaps)/
My experiences of "torture porn" of this kind have been with evangelicals often of the conservative flavour. I've never been sure if they wanted us to feel sorry for jesus and or bad about overselves.
Yes. I've never noticed 'High Church' Anglo-Catholic types being particularly ghoulish about these things although both Protestants and Orthodox in my experience think that some RC imagery and popular devotional practices can be rather over-the-top in that respect.
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I think it was called Herr Bach and Mr Handel, but since it was an Edinburgh Festival Fringe show, may never have been seen anywhere else.
Sorry for the tangent.
That's not a tangent -- that's driving the school bus off a cliff.
Without additives.
We have had some as a postlude when the opportunity is available. A surprising amount doesn't seem to exist digitally.
Lots on YouTube.
We got the DVD for the Gamalielettes but I can't seem to find that either and it wasn't listed on the details I've seen online.
I thought it was from one of the Brandenburg Concertos but it doesn't appear to be. I played my CD of those through the other day just in case.
I don't do 'streaming' and all that. I'm old school.
Can someone help identify it ?
The CD I had must have had a selection of Bach's works but I can't remember which. I'm hopeless at names.
If someone could help 'name that tune' I'd be very grateful. Meanwhile I must sort out my CDs and DVDs as an act of Lenten discipline and I may find it in thr course of that.
My wife helpfully organised some of CDs by composer but I've allowed that system to lapse.
Please make an old man very happy by identifying the name of the piece.
Thanks.
Do you remember whereabouts in the adaptation it was? I've got the DVD and been meaning to watch it for literally years, I might have a look at it later today or tomorrow.
It's an instrumental piece not a choral one.
If that isn't it, maybe the film took the lengthy introduction from the Adagio, which features a beautiful solo flute part - it is the second track.
I was looking though my DVDs and couldn't find it. The Gamalielettes reminded me that we had it on VHS. So I've rummaged around and found the video. The next thing I need to do is remember how to play it ...
I was sure there were sleeve notes but no. I've done searches too which suggest Anne Dudley composed all the music so either my memory is playing tricks or I'm imagining things.
If I can get the old video recorder to work I'll watch it though and jot down how far into the film it comes.
It may be the lengthy run in from the Adagio but it's not the trumpety bit. More oboes I think, a kind of interlacing theme that develops ...
Hang on ... my memory is jogged mid-typing.
It probably isn't from The Miracle Maker at all but a 1980s cassette recording of an actor/performer reciting John's Gospel.
In which case I've got more rummaging to do.
I'll certainly watch the video. That'll be lovely. Although the elder Gamaliellete says she was traumatised by an innocent 33 year old man being tortured and publicly executed in a horrible way.
I hope we didn't scar her too much.
But that's something none of us should lose sight of.
Anyway, there's nothing for it but to find the ancient cassette tape or else listen to all the Bach CDs until I find it.
That should be a real chore ... 😉
Here (UK) we have pre-school/nursery up to about 4, then infants (or Key Stage 1), then juniors (KS2,to 11), then secondary/high school. May be slightly different in Scotland.
You poor thing! You have my prayers 😉
My experiences of "torture porn" of this kind have been with evangelicals often of the conservative flavour. I've never been sure if they wanted us to feel sorry for jesus and or bad about overselves.
Tangent over.