we come with the script in hand of what we intend to experience
Could you explain what you mean here and where this idea came from?
The story of where it came from is too long and involved because it encompsses the observations and experiences and sorting and discarding of reasons for the past 50 years of my life and I don't think you want to read the exegesis of all of that. It's a summary conclusion and if you are interested in its defense I can share with you in PM. A lot of my ideas are insights that came in answer to a question, or from a personal "visionary" experience, and this is a partial explanation.
This particular answer came to me when I was wrestling with the logic of Problem of Evil and the logic of the nature of Free Will. At the time I was also experiencing memories of the "place between" incarnations and I had one particularly vivid experience of sitting in "the writer's room" of my life.
What it means is that I scripted every moment of my life. Like a dramatist, I had a gods-eye view of every major event that I needed to experience, and wrote exactly how I needed to get to those points. I got the agreement of every other person in the drama to play their parts, large and small and walk on, and I agreed to play my part in their dramas as they wrote it for me.
This was the moment where I operated my Free Will. I could make anything happen in the play that I wanted and could get the support of anybody I needed to make it happen in return for my cooperation with them to experience what they wanted.
Here and now is where I am experiencing my Free Will. I'm having the experience that I wrote for myself. I have choices but I can't make anything happen that isn't in my Script.
As much as I might want to win the lottery, if I didn't will that when I wrote the Script, it won't happen. I might have many choices about what to have for supper tonight, but I can't just magically make what I want appear before me or erase it, like a writer can who writes a story. I'm a bowling ball in a trough, a rat in a maze. My choices might be many but they are managed by the constraints of the Script.
AFF
You do realize that, unless you mean this just for yourself in some way, this basically means that you’re saying that everyone who went through any horrible thing ranging from stubbing their toe to death by torture or even things like the holocaust, chose that, right? Unless I misunderstand you in some serious way?
(Please post about your thoughts here rather than a private message to me. I would prefer to not talk about this privately.)
we come with the script in hand of what we intend to experience
Could you explain what you mean here and where this idea came from?
The story of where it came from is too long and involved because it encompsses the observations and experiences and sorting and discarding of reasons for the past 50 years of my life and I don't think you want to read the exegesis of all of that. It's a summary conclusion and if you are interested in its defense I can share with you in PM. A lot of my ideas are insights that came in answer to a question, or from a personal "visionary" experience, and this is a partial explanation.
This particular answer came to me when I was wrestling with the logic of Problem of Evil and the logic of the nature of Free Will. At the time I was also experiencing memories of the "place between" incarnations and I had one particularly vivid experience of sitting in "the writer's room" of my life.
What it means is that I scripted every moment of my life. Like a dramatist, I had a gods-eye view of every major event that I needed to experience, and wrote exactly how I needed to get to those points. I got the agreement of every other person in the drama to play their parts, large and small and walk on, and I agreed to play my part in their dramas as they wrote it for me.
This was the moment where I operated my Free Will. I could make anything happen in the play that I wanted and could get the support of anybody I needed to make it happen in return for my cooperation with them to experience what they wanted.
Here and now is where I am experiencing my Free Will. I'm having the experience that I wrote for myself. I have choices but I can't make anything happen that isn't in my Script.
As much as I might want to win the lottery, if I didn't will that when I wrote the Script, it won't happen. I might have many choices about what to have for supper tonight, but I can't just magically make what I want appear before me or erase it, like a writer can who writes a story. I'm a bowling ball in a trough, a rat in a maze. My choices might be many but they are managed by the constraints of the Script.
AFF
You do realize that, unless you mean this just for yourself in some way, this basically means that you’re saying that everyone who went through any horrible thing ranging from stubbing their toe to death by torture or even things like the holocaust, chose that, right? Unless I misunderstand you in some serious way?
(Please post about your thoughts here rather than a private message to me. I would prefer to not talk about this privately.)
Sure. Understood.
Yes this is The Problem of Evil.
SOMEBODY is responsible. There's a very lengthy discussion about who that might be.
IMO there is simply no way to square the circle of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God, our experience of evil, and our possession at the same time of Free Will, without acceptance of full responsibility on our part, and full permission on God's part. I've tried every other way, and no doctrine has been able to answer this for me better than my own reasoning with the information my life has seen fit to give me.
It's my conclusion that if we have Free Will then it is we who are responsible. We're either responsible for all of it or none of it.
But from where we look at our life experience, at this level of experience, it's a horror show. The first thing we want to do is look away. Look to anyone or anything that will tell us that somebody or something else is to blame because in order to know what evil is, we have to have the experience of what it means to do it and what it means to suffer it. We have to feel it. And it HURTS. That's what sin does. It hurts eveyone and everything it touches, and it wounds us to death. Death is the wage of sin. It's the price we pay.
Absolutely nobody wants to own their responsibility for that holocaust story. At this level of being, where we can feel everything, it's every bit as horrific, atrocious and unthinkably evil as it was and nothing and nobody can neutralize the energies that story set in motion except the participants themselves. They have to work it out. And IMO we are watching this process on the world stage today.
There's eight and a half billion of us on the planet now, that's a lot of evil and good being experienced and worked through. When I started out there was maybe a few hundred million. Now, the amount of evil we're dealing with is a total clusterfuck that hardly anybody at this level of being wants to own. And I don't blame anybody for that.
I can't tell you that you are responsible for your life, but I know I am responsible for mine because I have the memories. I have the memories of doing things that, in this life, I would never choose to do, that have stricken me with guilt horror and remorse, but at some point in the past I did them, and I still carry the responsibility to neutralize those energies.
I know where the evils in my life originate from, and how long I have been carrying them for. I also know what their remedy is, and Who is my only hope of help to fix what I can't fix myself. It's what He's here for, because the mess we've made is THAT big we need to be able to call for help when we can't work it out for ourselves and Someone will answer.
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You do realize that, unless you mean this just for yourself in some way, this basically means that you’re saying that everyone who went through any horrible thing ranging from stubbing their toe to death by torture or even things like the holocaust, chose that, right? Unless I misunderstand you in some serious way?
(Please post about your thoughts here rather than a private message to me. I would prefer to not talk about this privately.)
Sure. Understood.
Yes this is The Problem of Evil.
SOMEBODY is responsible. There's a very lengthy discussion about who that might be.
IMO there is simply no way to square the circle of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God, our experience of evil, and our possession at the same time of Free Will, without acceptance of full responsibility on our part, and full permission on God's part. I've tried every other way, and no doctrine has been able to answer this for me better than my own reasoning with the information my life has seen fit to give me.
It's my conclusion that if we have Free Will then it is we who are responsible. We're either responsible for all of it or none of it.
But from where we look at our life experience, at this level of experience, it's a horror show. The first thing we want to do is look away. Look to anyone or anything that will tell us that somebody or something else is to blame because in order to know what evil is, we have to have the experience of what it means to do it and what it means to suffer it. We have to feel it. And it HURTS. That's what sin does. It hurts eveyone and everything it touches, and it wounds us to death. Death is the wage of sin. It's the price we pay.
Absolutely nobody wants to own their responsibility for that holocaust story. At this level of being, where we can feel everything, it's every bit as horrific, atrocious and unthinkably evil as it was and nothing and nobody can neutralize the energies that story set in motion except the participants themselves. They have to work it out. And IMO we are watching this process on the world stage today.
There's eight and a half billion of us on the planet now, that's a lot of evil and good being experienced and worked through. When I started out there was maybe a few hundred million. Now, the amount of evil we're dealing with is a total clusterfuck that hardly anybody at this level of being wants to own. And I don't blame anybody for that.
I can't tell you that you are responsible for your life, but I know I am responsible for mine because I have the memories. I have the memories of doing things that, in this life, I would never choose to do, that have stricken me with guilt horror and remorse, but at some point in the past I did them, and I still carry the responsibility to neutralize those energies.
I know where the evils in my life originate from, and how long I have been carrying them for. I also know what their remedy is, and Who is my only hope of help to fix what I can't fix myself. It's what He's here for, because the mess we've made is THAT big we need to be able to call for help when we can't work it out for ourselves and Someone will answer.
AFF
In the end it's the faith that matters. This is what is in our hearts.
Thank you so much for this opportunity to share my POV I truly appreciate the time and consideration you have given to me, and to it.
God bless you as well, dear friend. 🫶🥹
AFF