Words We Love to Hate

sionisaissionisais Shipmate
I’m sure we have done this before, but I can’t find it and if the Hosts don’t want it feel free to close it.
Anyway, my first word is “robust”, particularly in the sense of policies and especially in HR-Speak, where it is used, in my experience, to justify hard, ie, pig-headed decisions, that are legal, but barely decent. It’s astonishing how anti-bullying policies can be found in just about every workplace, but the management is all but exempt.
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  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Proactive. Often means more work being put on a person than should be or doing work faster so that you can do more.
  • Gill HGill H Shipmate
    Fast-paced environment.

    As in “thrives in a…”

    It seems like nobody wants to hire someone who thrives in a slow-paced environment.
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Purgatory Host, Circus Host
    I always hated "decider".

    If you want to hear an excellent lampoon of all this nonsense, I very much recommend Armando Ianucci's podcast Strong Message Here.
  • 'Influencer.'

    'I'm good,' rather than 'I'm well.'

    'Going forward.' Aaarrrghh!

    I had a boss once whose vocabulary consisted almost entirely of management-speak gobbledegook.

    I'll stop there. For my blood pressure's sake.
  • Trump.
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    I equate influencer to propagandist. If you find that pejorative, so be it.

  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Impact as a verb. Yes, I know it’s not new, but it irritates me nevertheless, as does the related impactful.


  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Impact as a verb. Yes, I know it’s not new, but it irritates me nevertheless, as does the related impactful.


    Agreed.
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    I present to you an amalgamation of my most loathed terms, presented as the LinkedIn profile of someone I used to work with (I have snipped out a few bits to anonymous it, but not changed any words)
    A driven and highly motivated professional with experience of building and leading high performance teams to deliver results. Exceptionally talented in solving problems, creating robust internal controls and driving improvements to procedures. Highly organised and accurate, with an ability to communicate information to all levels in a business. Accomplished in working at executive leadership level to develop and deliver business change and risk management strategies.
    He was actually quite competent and a nice guy. But I read that and cringe.
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    Is he really going to risk your management strategies?
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    Back when I was working some of us used to say that if anyone offers you 'an exciting opportunity', don't take it.
  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    Kick-starting. Why does it have to be kicked? Why can't it just be started?
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Jane R wrote: »
    Kick-starting. Why does it have to be kicked? Why can't it just be started?
    Well, kick-start (or jump-start) means more than just start. It means to start or restart forcefully and quickly.


  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Jane R wrote: »
    Kick-starting. Why does it have to be kicked? Why can't it just be started?
    Well, kick-start (or jump-start) means more than just start. It means to start or restart forcefully and quickly.


    Motorcycles used all to be kick-started, and that can be very dangerous if you don’t know what you’re doing.
    Simply doing it forcefully and quickly isn’t enough; you need the right technique and good boots.
  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    edited June 17
    @Nick Tamen I know what its original meaning is, thanks. It implies a mechanism that is either inefficient or badly designed. Or that the person starting it is using unnecessary violence, and there is quite enough violence around in the world as it is.

    Also, jump-start and kick-start are not semantically equivalent in British English. YDMV (=your dialect may vary).

    Words do matter. Compare the phrase 'young men of fighting age' with 'young men of working age,' for example.
  • LeafLeaf Shipmate
    I also cannot stand "robust" as used in organizational jargon. "We hope to build a robust x" means that x is not robust nor will it ever be. No concrete measures will be put in place to that effect. "Robust" is a very good indicator of bullshit.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Jane R wrote: »
    @Nick Tamen I know what its original meaning is, thanks.
    Where I live, its “original meaning” is its current meaning. Saying you’re “kick-starting” something conveys something different from simply saying you’re “starting” something, just as “I’m hurrying to the office” conveys something different from “I’m going to the office.”

    It implies a mechanism that is either inefficient or badly designed. Or that the person starting it is using unnecessary violence, . . . .
    Where I live and as I hear kick-start used, it definitely doesn’t imply either of those things at all.


  • RooKRooK Shipmate
    It feels revelatory of human nature that the meaning of many wise-adjacent sayings get truncated and generally accepted to mean the oppose. And subsequently never questioned again.

    The lost ridicule and irony of: "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps".

    The grotesque reversal of: "The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb."

    The tiring self-congratulation of misunderstanding: "Great minds think alike, but fools rarely differ."

    The impatient mindlessness of unfinishing: "The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese."

    But more than any of these, as much as I hate them all (and more), I hate how "literally" has been tortured into merely emphasis and stripped of all its true power.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    The great thing about this thread is that I can make a list of things that bug the shit out of people and then use those words and phrases regularly.
  • March HareMarch Hare Shipmate
    'Legendary' when used of real people.
  • HedgehogHedgehog Shipmate
    Hugal wrote: »
    Proactive. Often means more work being put on a person than should be or doing work faster so that you can do more.

    Seconded.
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    Ruth wrote: »
    The great thing about this thread is that I can make a list of things that bug the shit out of people and then use those words and phrases regularly.

    You can say these words and phrases are “overly” used, and I will have to put you on my enemies list.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    My father had a motorbike that needed to be kick started. One day when I was about 4 it didn't work and I heard him say, "You bugger."

    For years I thought a bugger was part of a motorbike.
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    edited June 18
    I hate a lot of modern usage of verbs as nouns. “That’s a big ask.” Or nouns as verbs. “Let’s network.” Or Christianese—the latest one I’ve encountered is “season.” “I was going through a season of…” I never see this except in something religious.

    For those who (like me) hate corporate jargon, you may find this amusing: It’s by Weird Al, one of his songs not based on a specific other song, called “Mission Statement”:

    https://youtu.be/GyV_UG60dD4?is=Qa5KEaO4Xt6gZtZ8

    (It’s apparently a “style parody,“ in this case of Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, though I have not heard enough of their stuff to really know, but that’s what it said in a comment on YouTube.)
  • SparrowSparrow Shipmate
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    I hate a lot of modern usage of verbs as nouns. “That’s a big ask.” Or nouns as verbs. “Let’s network.”

    Oh yes. As at the Olympics, medal winners are "medalling".

  • SandemaniacSandemaniac Shipmate
    Anyone starting speaking with "Our mission..." in my presence is likely to hear someone in the audience whistling (badly) the opening bar or two the Star Trek theme.
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    Sparrow wrote: »
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    I hate a lot of modern usage of verbs as nouns. “That’s a big ask.” Or nouns as verbs. “Let’s network.”

    Oh yes. As at the Olympics, medal winners are "medalling".

    Ah, yes, “ Verbing”.
    Here we contrive present participles by adding “ing” to a perfectly innocent noun.
    In many instances this is a Good Thing, but we Christians, or at any rate, some of us, do it to excess. We have got lazy in not using another more elegant word instead.
    Often it is shorthand, such as priesting, but I find it’s companion “deaconing” clunky and the very worst I have heard is “fellowshipping”, which sounds like a member of one’s congregation has been parcelled up and sent by DPD or some such. Won’t be seeing him again then 😉
  • SojournerSojourner Shipmate
    In former days recalcitrant JWs were “disfellowshipped”. I think this term is no longer in use.
  • SojournerSojourner Shipmate
    My personal pet hate is the adjective “awesome”.

    Have never heard it used to describe anything remotely awe-inspiring.
  • The RogueThe Rogue Shipmate
    Probably.

    Often used, not as an indication of likelihood, but as a re-enforcement of personal prejudices. eg if a person with an accent commits a crime the internet shouts "They probably came over on a small boat"
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    While we are here, should “incredible” be used in connection with our faith and beliefs? I’ve heard it from any number of Christians and I’ve even rebuked a couple of preachers, because the very things to which they refer ARE credible. They may be amazing, even awesome, and some would say supernatural, but incredible? No!
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    sionisais wrote: »
    Sparrow wrote: »
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    I hate a lot of modern usage of verbs as nouns. “That’s a big ask.” Or nouns as verbs. “Let’s network.”

    Oh yes. As at the Olympics, medal winners are "medalling".
    Ah, yes, “ Verbing”.
    Here we contrive present participles by adding “ing” to a perfectly innocent noun.
    As Calvin observed to Hobbes: “Verbing weirds language.”

    But it’s a long-standing phenomenon in English; it’s been going on for centuries.

  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    sionisais wrote: »
    While we are here, should “incredible” be used in connection with our faith and beliefs? I’ve heard it from any number of Christians and I’ve even rebuked a couple of preachers, because the very things to which they refer ARE credible. They may be amazing, even awesome, and some would say supernatural, but incredible? No!

    Also incredible when you do something right. I was once being taken through the machines in a gym and the person taking me through them said incredible every time I used it right.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    Use of "yourself" or "myself" as formal equivalents for "you" or "me" irritates me whenever it happens.
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    edited June 18
    Sojourner wrote: »
    My personal pet hate is the adjective “awesome”.

    Have never heard it used to describe anything remotely awe-inspiring.

    Well, the Gen-X/1980s exception to this is "totally awesome" followed by "gnarly," but I do see your point.

    I'll second @Nick Tamen re: 'impactful,' and I'll add IRREGARDLESS to this awesome list.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    Renumeration when one means remuneration.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited June 18
    sionisais wrote: »
    While we are here, should “incredible” be used in connection with our faith and beliefs? I’ve heard it from any number of Christians and I’ve even rebuked a couple of preachers, because the very things to which they refer ARE credible. They may be amazing, even awesome, and some would say supernatural, but incredible? No!

    Incredible's primary meaning has moved on from "cannot be believed". To be honest, so has "unbelievable"'s. I don't think the person referred to in EMF's "Unbelievable" was having doubt cast over either their existence or qualities.
  • RooKRooK Shipmate
    Is it too soon to add, "white First Nations"?
  • RooKRooK Shipmate
    Ruth wrote: »
    The great thing about this thread is that I can make a list of things that bug the shit out of people and then use those words and phrases regularly.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/foundsatan/
  • PriscillaPriscilla Shipmate
    Being addressed as “folks “
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    sionisais wrote: »
    Sparrow wrote: »
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    I hate a lot of modern usage of verbs as nouns. “That’s a big ask.” Or nouns as verbs. “Let’s network.”

    Oh yes. As at the Olympics, medal winners are "medalling".
    Ah, yes, “ Verbing”.
    Here we contrive present participles by adding “ing” to a perfectly innocent noun.
    As Calvin observed to Hobbes: “Verbing weirds language.”

    But it’s a long-standing phenomenon in English; it’s been going on for centuries.

    So Calvin spoke from beyond the grave then?

    Hobbes was born in 1588. Calvin died in 1564.
  • @sionisais - the fact that I'd listed 'Influencer' among words I hate should tell you whether I find it perjorative or not.

    On the 'kick-starting' thing, how about 'spear-heading'?

    I've heard that one a few times.

    'We have asked Bob to spear-head our new initiative in customer engagement,' and so on.

    What's wrong with 'lead' or 'initiate'?

  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited June 18
    Priscilla wrote: »
    Being addressed as “folks “
    Very common in my corner of the Anglosphere, and has been as long as the can remember.

    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    sionisais wrote: »
    Sparrow wrote: »
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    I hate a lot of modern usage of verbs as nouns. “That’s a big ask.” Or nouns as verbs. “Let’s network.”

    Oh yes. As at the Olympics, medal winners are "medalling".
    Ah, yes, “ Verbing”.
    Here we contrive present participles by adding “ing” to a perfectly innocent noun.
    As Calvin observed to Hobbes: “Verbing weirds language.”

    But it’s a long-standing phenomenon in English; it’s been going on for centuries.

    So Calvin spoke from beyond the grave then?

    Hobbes was born in 1588. Calvin died in 1564.
    Wrong Calvin, wrong Hobbes :wink:

  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    It's a good gender and non-classist replacement for "Ladies and gentleman".
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Priscilla wrote: »
    Being addressed as “folks “
    Very common in my corner of the Anglosphere, and has been as long as the can remember.

    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    sionisais wrote: »
    Sparrow wrote: »
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    I hate a lot of modern usage of verbs as nouns. “That’s a big ask.” Or nouns as verbs. “Let’s network.”

    Oh yes. As at the Olympics, medal winners are "medalling".
    Ah, yes, “ Verbing”.
    Here we contrive present participles by adding “ing” to a perfectly innocent noun.
    As Calvin observed to Hobbes: “Verbing weirds language.”

    But it’s a long-standing phenomenon in English; it’s been going on for centuries.

    So Calvin spoke from beyond the grave then?

    Hobbes was born in 1588. Calvin died in 1564.
    Wrong Calvin, wrong Hobbes :wink:

    Gold star to that man.
  • Some years ago I spent five months working at a company that built equipment for the nuclear power industry. I had thought that there could be no bigger paper mill than the military aircraft racket, but I was wrong. I soon began to compile a general list of linguistic atrocities. A few examples:

    Proactive: Avoids having to explain what it really is that you want someone else to do.

    Best practice: You ask a potential supplier, “Do you employ best practices here?” How often do they reply, “Never - we are proud to be a worst practice shop.”? A useless phrase.

    Excellence: Often used to mean the opposite of excellence. A cover-up; a clear expression of a lack of confidence in what we do.

    Synergy: As in: “We must mobilise our synergies in this program”, or, “I haven’t the faintest idea what this is about – how about you?”

    Energy: Energy? Fuel? Power? What do you really mean? Do you have even the foggiest idea of what you are talking about?

    Networking: Consider the case of fish. Hundreds, if not thousands of fish get caught up together in nets and are dragged away. Then they die.

    Stakeholder: The person upon whom unimaginable suffering will be inflicted as a result of your decision (related to proactive above).

    Potential: According to a former high school teacher of our acquaintance from the Southern States, this is an old French word, meaning ‘ain’t worth a s**t’.

    Champion: This is a relatively new addition to the business management vocabulary. It is synonymous with human sacrifice.

    Utilise: A perfectly good word if you have a good reason for not saying ‘use’. However, we have been advised by a Scottish school teacher that 'utilise' is sometimes necessary to avoid confusion with 'youse'.

    World class: We believe that someone outside our village may have heard of us.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    'I'm good,' rather than 'I'm well.'

    I usually hear "I'm good" as a polite refusal, when someone has been offered something. "I'm well" probably wouldn't fit in that situation, since it sounds like it's more about the person's overall condition, rather than the specific question of whether or not they need the offered item.

    That said, I don't particularly care for it myself, and usually just stick to "No, thanks".
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Stakeholder: The person upon whom unimaginable suffering will be inflicted as a result of your decision (related to proactive above).

    I used that one a few days ago, to express an opinion along the lines of "It doesn't matter if the victim's family wants a lighter sentence for the murderer, they are not the only stakeholders in this situation."

    I did hesitate, because I'm aware of the new-agey connotations, but I think it's a pretty clear way of stating an individual's connection to the situation under discussion. I suppose "interested parties" would work as well, but that doesn't seem as strong.

    Also, as far as the audial effect goes, I tend to like harsh-sounding words.
  • GwaiGwai Epiphanies Host
    I think when 'best practice' has content, it means 'a suggested change in process that we are claiming is more effective than something else.' For example, if I say "we would like to suggest a new best practice to you," the implied worse practice is yours.

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