I mean, people venerate images of the crucifixion, which is literally an execution.
Yes, but those doing the venerating are not venerating the execution or the crucifixion as such. They’re venerating the the image of the person they believe willingly offered himself as a sacrifice, who died, and who rose again. The one being worshipped through the veneration of the crucifix is explicitly understood to not be dead.
This is the first time I have ever considered the idea that the Christ hanging on crosses outside Roman Catholic churches is not depicted as being dead. It appears to fly in the face of the evidence: death being a necessary part of resurrection and Catholics venerating the act of dying and the death.
I mean, people venerate images of the crucifixion, which is literally an execution.
Yes, but those doing the venerating are not venerating the execution or the crucifixion as such. They’re venerating the the image of the person they believe willingly offered himself as a sacrifice, who died, and who rose again. The one being worshipped through the veneration of the crucifix is explicitly understood to not be dead.
This is the first time I have ever considered the idea that the Christ hanging on crosses outside Roman Catholic churches is not depicted as being dead. It appears to fly in the face of the evidence: death being a necessary part of resurrection and Catholics venerating the act of dying and the death.
This RC has never come across that idea either. In preaching I have always heard the crucifix described in terms of Christs self-sacrificial death.
However it reminds that I was taught that the dead Christ of Michelangelo's Pieta has raised veins as though still alive, a sign that his death was not the end of the story. There's a good close up of an arm here https://www.theyoungcatholicwoman.com/archivescollection/2018/3/6/pieta
The one being worshipped through the veneration of the crucifix is explicitly understood to not be dead.
This is the first time I have ever considered the idea that the Christ hanging on crosses outside Roman Catholic churches is not depicted as being dead. It appears to fly in the face of the evidence: death being a necessary part of resurrection and Catholics venerating the act of dying and the death.
This RC has never come across that idea either. In preaching I have always heard the crucifix described in terms of Christs self-sacrificial death.
There's a difference between "depicting someone as being dead" and "understanding the person so depicted as being dead" - Nick Tamen's point I take it is that the picture of the dead Christ is understood in the context of the belief that he's not dead now.
Catholics in my experience and understanding do not venerate the act of dying and death as such. There are several different things going on, but that isn't one of them.
The one being worshipped through the veneration of the crucifix is explicitly understood to not be dead.
This is the first time I have ever considered the idea that the Christ hanging on crosses outside Roman Catholic churches is not depicted as being dead. It appears to fly in the face of the evidence: death being a necessary part of resurrection and Catholics venerating the act of dying and the death.
This RC has never come across that idea either. In preaching I have always heard the crucifix described in terms of Christs self-sacrificial death.
There's a difference between "depicting someone as being dead" and "understanding the person so depicted as being dead" - Nick Tamen's point I take it is that the picture of the dead Christ is understood in the context of the belief that he's not dead now.
Catholics in my experience and understanding do not venerate the act of dying and death as such. There are several different things going on, but that isn't one of them.
In the context of religion it seems that words and ideas mean whatever you want them to mean. Here's a frequent image of a dead person: that's obviously not about death but life.
Here are body parts of dead saints, but that is not veneration of body parts of dead saints.
Here are images of multiple saints at the moment of their death, images of their bodies after death. Gory stories about them and what happened.
None of this is about the act of dying or dead bodies.
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This is the first time I have ever considered the idea that the Christ hanging on crosses outside Roman Catholic churches is not depicted as being dead. It appears to fly in the face of the evidence: death being a necessary part of resurrection and Catholics venerating the act of dying and the death.
This RC has never come across that idea either. In preaching I have always heard the crucifix described in terms of Christs self-sacrificial death.
However it reminds that I was taught that the dead Christ of Michelangelo's Pieta has raised veins as though still alive, a sign that his death was not the end of the story. There's a good close up of an arm here
https://www.theyoungcatholicwoman.com/archivescollection/2018/3/6/pieta
Catholics in my experience and understanding do not venerate the act of dying and death as such. There are several different things going on, but that isn't one of them.
In the context of religion it seems that words and ideas mean whatever you want them to mean. Here's a frequent image of a dead person: that's obviously not about death but life.
Here are body parts of dead saints, but that is not veneration of body parts of dead saints.
Here are images of multiple saints at the moment of their death, images of their bodies after death. Gory stories about them and what happened.
None of this is about the act of dying or dead bodies.