Rishi Sunak

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  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Firstly this is Hell, we can start threads about the new PM if we want. It would have happened sooner or later.
    Secondly he s not an unknown figure. He was chancellor. He has a reputation.
    Thirdly we are British satire is in our blood.
  • Hugal wrote: »
    Firstly this is Hell, we can start threads about the new PM if we want. It would have happened sooner or later.
    Secondly he s not an unknown figure. He was chancellor. He has a reputation.
    Thirdly we are British satire is in our blood.

    Seconded.

    And annoyed that someone beat me to it... :wink:
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Re representation, the past two Home Secretaries have been women of colour - yet have both been enthusiastically pushing racist policies that particularly negatively affect women of colour.

    It’s generally said around here that what counts as racist should be defined by people of colour. Do you agree with that, or is it something that only applies when the people of colour say something is racist and not when they say something isn’t?

    What are you talking about here? Do you think that people of colour haven't said that Home Office policies have been racist? I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Also yes @alienfromzog I was thinking of the Forde Report specifically.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    Telford wrote: »
    Quite right - but don't forget his underwhelming performance as Chancellor not so very long ago...
    Are you on about all that money spent on that furlough scheme ?
    The furlough scheme was a display of basic minimum competence. He doesn't lose points, but he doesn't get any either.
    "Say: I am an unprofitable servant; I have done only what was expected of me."
    That said, the furlough scheme didn't cover self-employed people or people on fixed-term contracts. There wasn't a lot of clarity on how long it would last. I doubt it was beyond the wit of a competent chancellor to implement something better.
    Sunak was also behind the Eat Out to Help Out scheme, which was largely ineffective in helping the economy and did help COVID get out of control again. He was also allegedly one of the voices arguing for the delays in lockdown, which were disastrous.
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Re representation, the past two Home Secretaries have been women of colour - yet have both been enthusiastically pushing racist policies that particularly negatively affect women of colour.

    It’s generally said around here that what counts as racist should be defined by people of colour. Do you agree with that, or is it something that only applies when the people of colour say something is racist and not when they say something isn’t?

    What are you talking about here? Do you think that people of colour haven't said that Home Office policies have been racist? I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically.

    I'm saying that if the policies are being pushed by people of colour then it's reasonable to assume that those people of colour don't think they're racist.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    edited October 2022
    Pomona wrote: »
    Re representation, the past two Home Secretaries have been women of colour - yet have both been enthusiastically pushing racist policies that particularly negatively affect women of colour.

    It’s generally said around here that what counts as racist should be defined by people of colour.

    No, that's not what has been said. This sounds like inventing a guy to be mad at.
  • According to the BBC website, "In the next couple of hours, Rishi Sunak’s [team] will be moving in and getting their feet under the table" and "will want to hit the ground running".

    Only one table in the whole building? And how can they run with their feet under it?
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Re representation, the past two Home Secretaries have been women of colour - yet have both been enthusiastically pushing racist policies that particularly negatively affect women of colour.

    It’s generally said around here that what counts as racist should be defined by people of colour. Do you agree with that, or is it something that only applies when the people of colour say something is racist and not when they say something isn’t?

    What are you talking about here? Do you think that people of colour haven't said that Home Office policies have been racist? I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically.

    I'm saying that if the policies are being pushed by people of colour then it's reasonable to assume that those people of colour don't think they're racist.

    But others do.

    Defining oppression isn't necessarily a simple proposition. There are plenty of women who advocate for positions that other women find appallingly sexist, for example. Indeed, there are a lot of men who advocate ideas of masculinity that I as a man find appallingly sexist.
  • Hugal wrote: »
    Thirdly we are British satire is in our blood.
    This thread is satire?
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    As the show Avenue Q says, bigotry has never been exclusively white. People of all races can bigoted. We need policy to cover all situations. The rule where I work is that if someone feels they are suffering from racism, sexism or any ism then it is the basis for an investigation
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Thirdly we are British satire is in our blood.
    This thread is satire?

    Well, I did set it up with tongue in cheek. Satire I'm not so sure, but humour yes.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Bit of good news: JRM slithering onto the back benches where, with luck, he can do less harm.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited October 2022
    According to the BBC website, "In the next couple of hours, Rishi Sunak’s [team] will be moving in and getting their feet under the table" and "will want to hit the ground running".

    Only one table in the whole building? And how can they run with their feet under it?

    Ah! The Curse of the Common Cliche strikes again!
    :grimace:
    Bit of good news: JRM slithering onto the back benches where, with luck, he can do less harm.

    He might not have room to stretch himself out in a Somnolent Posture...
  • Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.

    Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.
  • Baptist TrainfanBaptist Trainfan Shipmate
    edited October 2022
    Why? Are they Italian and come in cohorts? [Snigger]
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Oh please God no.
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Oh please God no.

    Quite - but this has not yet been announced, let alone confirmed, and you know what the rumour mill is like...

    If she does return, like a dose of clap, she still has to find an airline willing to help fulfil her dream of sending people to a concentration camp in Africa, and (in the meantime) the Navy is not all that keen on drowning women and children in the Channel...
  • Nor the Coastguard, Air-sea Rescue or the RNLI.
  • Nor the Coastguard, Air-sea Rescue or the RNLI.

    Indeed - quite the reverse, in fact, given the purpose of those organisations.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    She can’t sack them all. Especially as some are volunteers.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited October 2022
    Neither could she find much in the way of agency staff, I suspect.

    Paid mercenaries might be of some *use*, I suppose, but let's hope it doesn't come to that...
  • I was just thinking that even with a change of PM - possibly for the better, one hopes - there must still be a very small pool of competent political colleagues for Rishi Sunak to choose from. Unless there are untapped treasures that could be called upon - MPs whose talents have not yet been tried for high office, but who have some expertise and wisdom to offer? Perhaps this is an opportunity for the Conservative Party to re-form its senior membership in terms of selection based on merit and achievement, rather than populism and crony-ism?
  • Just a bunch of mouldy old Tories, a new broom needed.
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    Well any hope I had that Sunak might be wanting real change had evaporated seeing that Braverman has her old job back.
  • Sarasa wrote: »
    Well any hope I had that Sunak might be wanting real change had evaporated seeing that Braverman has her old job back.

    Making it look suspiciously as though the dodgy email was sent specifically to knife Truss.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Sarasa wrote: »
    Well any hope I had that Sunak might be wanting real change had evaporated seeing that Braverman has her old job back.

    I agree. Dark days.
  • Braverman back, watch out immigrants, trans people, demonstrators, she's after you.
  • Awful.
  • Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.

    Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.

    Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people
    KarlLB wrote: »
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Oh please God no.

    Richi's choice.

  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited October 2022
    If you're a trans child Cruella wants school to hurt you by deadnaming and misgendering. Caring about your feelings she describes as "pandering". If you are an adult, she doesn't want the police wasting money on prosecuting hate crime against you.

    If you've suffered who knows what in order to find a place of safety here, she dreams of putting you on a plane to Rwanda.

    What fuels her hatred? Why? What happened? Does she even know how to spell "empathy"?
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited October 2022
    Telford wrote: »
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.

    Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.

    Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people


    Only those ordinary people who are as short on empathy and rich in hatred as she is. I don't give a shit what they want. Don’t think I haven't seen the foetid underbelly of human depravity expressed in Daily Mail comments sections and on social media.
  • I don't think Tories and empathy are in the same postcode.
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Purgatory Host, Circus Host
    Telford wrote: »
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.

    Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.

    Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people.

    Would these be the same ordinary people who would give the Labour Party a 30 point lead if there was a General Election tomorrow?
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Telford wrote: »
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.

    Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.

    Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people

    And what is your opinion? Who counts as "ordinary people"?
  • Telford wrote: »
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.

    Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.

    Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people.

    Would these be the same ordinary people who would give the Labour Party a 30 point lead if there was a General Election tomorrow?

    Probably. I was wondering why Labour keep screaming for a general election
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.

    Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.

    Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people.

    Would these be the same ordinary people who would give the Labour Party a 30 point lead if there was a General Election tomorrow?

    Probably. I was wondering why Labour keep screaming for a general election

    Because they'd win it, obviously.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.

    Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.

    Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people

    And what is your opinion? Who counts as "ordinary people"?

    The logic of the conversation implies the answer to that is "xenophobic swivel-eyed loons"
  • Seeing as Ms I look good in Dalmatian fur is back in her old job, I feel the need to share this from the Rwanda thread:
    I'm sure few missed this but I do think we should note here the words of our Secretary of State for the Home Department:
    I'd love to be having a front page of The Telegraph with a plane taking off to Rwanda. That's my dream, that's my dream, it's my obsession...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D-BpOsijEqs

    AFZ

    More broadly, this suggests a very tight immigration policy across the board which is not compatible with the sensible approach to economics, Sunak is trying to portray.

    AFZ
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    I don't think Tories and empathy are in the same postcode.
    Postcode? I'm not sure they're even in the same galaxy.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.

    Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.

    Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people
    KarlLB wrote: »
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Oh please God no.

    Richi's choice.

    Not the choice of many people I talk to
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host

    More broadly, this suggests a very tight immigration policy across the board which is not compatible with the sensible approach to economics, Sunak is trying to portray.

    I suppose we shall have to find out whether Sunak is lying, and if he isn't whether the Once and Future Home Secretary is more committed to being in power or being feted by the far right.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    So, 2pm yesterday I started this thread, and despite the protestations of some that I was precipitate, by 5pm today - just 27 hours later, his Cabinet appointments vindicate me.

    The cannot conquer for ever. But how many fair Riders of Rohan and rangers of Ithilien must fall before the Ring is cast into the Sammath Naur?
  • Hugal wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.

    Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.

    Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people
    KarlLB wrote: »
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Oh please God no.

    Richi's choice.

    Not the choice of many people I talk to
    How many are Conservatives ?

  • KarlLB wrote: »
    So, 2pm yesterday I started this thread, and despite the protestations of some that I was precipitate, by 5pm today - just 27 hours later, his Cabinet appointments vindicate me.

    The cannot conquer for ever. But how many fair Riders of Rohan and rangers of Ithilien must fall before the Ring is cast into the Sammath Naur?

    Absolutely. I refer the Honourable Shipmates to the comments I made a page or so ago...

    AFZ
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Telford wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.

    Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.

    Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people
    KarlLB wrote: »
    Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.

    Oh please God no.

    Richi's choice.

    Not the choice of many people I talk to
    How many are Conservatives ?

    How did we get from "ordinary people" to "Conservatives"?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited October 2022
    Rish!

    Can someone fill me in on this humourous(I assume) misspelling of Rishi's name? I think I've seen it a few times on the Ship, but I can't find any other references to it on-line. What's the joke?
  • stetson wrote: »
    Rish!

    Can someone fill me in on this humourous(I assume) misspelling of Rishi's name? I think I've seen it a few times on the Ship, but I can't find any other references to it on-line. What's the joke?

    Sorry - blame John Crace of the Guardian. I think it's a take on Sunak's leadership campaign slogan, which was (IIRC) *Ready for Rishi!*, but with the exclamation mark somewhat obscuring the final *i* by being rather large and prominent.

    I will cease and desist from using it.
  • stetson wrote: »
    Rish!

    Can someone fill me in on this humourous(I assume) misspelling of Rishi's name? I think I've seen it a few times on the Ship, but I can't find any other references to it on-line. What's the joke?

    Sorry - blame John Crace of the Guardian. I think it's a take on Sunak's leadership campaign slogan, which was (IIRC) *Ready for Rishi!*, but with the exclamation mark somewhat obscuring the final *i* by being rather large and prominent.

    I will cease and desist from using it.

    Thanks!

    And no need to cease and desist from using it. I wasn't complaining at all, just curious.
  • stetson wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Rish!

    Can someone fill me in on this humourous(I assume) misspelling of Rishi's name? I think I've seen it a few times on the Ship, but I can't find any other references to it on-line. What's the joke?

    Sorry - blame John Crace of the Guardian. I think it's a take on Sunak's leadership campaign slogan, which was (IIRC) *Ready for Rishi!*, but with the exclamation mark somewhat obscuring the final *i* by being rather large and prominent.

    I will cease and desist from using it.

    Thanks!

    And no need to cease and desist from using it. I wasn't complaining at all, just curious.

    Well, it's a bit obscure - another Guardian columnist has given Rishi the codename *Sunak the Sensible*, but somewhat ironically, I feel...
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