Firstly this is Hell, we can start threads about the new PM if we want. It would have happened sooner or later.
Secondly he s not an unknown figure. He was chancellor. He has a reputation.
Thirdly we are British satire is in our blood.
Firstly this is Hell, we can start threads about the new PM if we want. It would have happened sooner or later.
Secondly he s not an unknown figure. He was chancellor. He has a reputation.
Thirdly we are British satire is in our blood.
Re representation, the past two Home Secretaries have been women of colour - yet have both been enthusiastically pushing racist policies that particularly negatively affect women of colour.
It’s generally said around here that what counts as racist should be defined by people of colour. Do you agree with that, or is it something that only applies when the people of colour say something is racist and not when they say something isn’t?
What are you talking about here? Do you think that people of colour haven't said that Home Office policies have been racist? I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically.
Quite right - but don't forget his underwhelming performance as Chancellor not so very long ago...
Are you on about all that money spent on that furlough scheme ?
The furlough scheme was a display of basic minimum competence. He doesn't lose points, but he doesn't get any either.
"Say: I am an unprofitable servant; I have done only what was expected of me."
That said, the furlough scheme didn't cover self-employed people or people on fixed-term contracts. There wasn't a lot of clarity on how long it would last. I doubt it was beyond the wit of a competent chancellor to implement something better.
Sunak was also behind the Eat Out to Help Out scheme, which was largely ineffective in helping the economy and did help COVID get out of control again. He was also allegedly one of the voices arguing for the delays in lockdown, which were disastrous.
Re representation, the past two Home Secretaries have been women of colour - yet have both been enthusiastically pushing racist policies that particularly negatively affect women of colour.
It’s generally said around here that what counts as racist should be defined by people of colour. Do you agree with that, or is it something that only applies when the people of colour say something is racist and not when they say something isn’t?
What are you talking about here? Do you think that people of colour haven't said that Home Office policies have been racist? I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically.
I'm saying that if the policies are being pushed by people of colour then it's reasonable to assume that those people of colour don't think they're racist.
Re representation, the past two Home Secretaries have been women of colour - yet have both been enthusiastically pushing racist policies that particularly negatively affect women of colour.
It’s generally said around here that what counts as racist should be defined by people of colour.
No, that's not what has been said. This sounds like inventing a guy to be mad at.
According to the BBC website, "In the next couple of hours, Rishi Sunak’s [team] will be moving in and getting their feet under the table" and "will want to hit the ground running".
Only one table in the whole building? And how can they run with their feet under it?
Re representation, the past two Home Secretaries have been women of colour - yet have both been enthusiastically pushing racist policies that particularly negatively affect women of colour.
It’s generally said around here that what counts as racist should be defined by people of colour. Do you agree with that, or is it something that only applies when the people of colour say something is racist and not when they say something isn’t?
What are you talking about here? Do you think that people of colour haven't said that Home Office policies have been racist? I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically.
I'm saying that if the policies are being pushed by people of colour then it's reasonable to assume that those people of colour don't think they're racist.
But others do.
Defining oppression isn't necessarily a simple proposition. There are plenty of women who advocate for positions that other women find appallingly sexist, for example. Indeed, there are a lot of men who advocate ideas of masculinity that I as a man find appallingly sexist.
As the show Avenue Q says, bigotry has never been exclusively white. People of all races can bigoted. We need policy to cover all situations. The rule where I work is that if someone feels they are suffering from racism, sexism or any ism then it is the basis for an investigation
According to the BBC website, "In the next couple of hours, Rishi Sunak’s [team] will be moving in and getting their feet under the table" and "will want to hit the ground running".
Only one table in the whole building? And how can they run with their feet under it?
Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.
Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.
Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.
Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.
Oh please God no.
Quite - but this has not yet been announced, let alone confirmed, and you know what the rumour mill is like...
If she does return, like a dose of clap, she still has to find an airline willing to help fulfil her dream of sending people to a concentration camp in Africa, and (in the meantime) the Navy is not all that keen on drowning women and children in the Channel...
I was just thinking that even with a change of PM - possibly for the better, one hopes - there must still be a very small pool of competent political colleagues for Rishi Sunak to choose from. Unless there are untapped treasures that could be called upon - MPs whose talents have not yet been tried for high office, but who have some expertise and wisdom to offer? Perhaps this is an opportunity for the Conservative Party to re-form its senior membership in terms of selection based on merit and achievement, rather than populism and crony-ism?
Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.
Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.
Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.
Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people
If you're a trans child Cruella wants school to hurt you by deadnaming and misgendering. Caring about your feelings she describes as "pandering". If you are an adult, she doesn't want the police wasting money on prosecuting hate crime against you.
If you've suffered who knows what in order to find a place of safety here, she dreams of putting you on a plane to Rwanda.
What fuels her hatred? Why? What happened? Does she even know how to spell "empathy"?
Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.
Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.
Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.
Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people
Only those ordinary people who are as short on empathy and rich in hatred as she is. I don't give a shit what they want. Don’t think I haven't seen the foetid underbelly of human depravity expressed in Daily Mail comments sections and on social media.
Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.
Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.
Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.
Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people.
Would these be the same ordinary people who would give the Labour Party a 30 point lead if there was a General Election tomorrow?
Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.
Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.
Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.
Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people
And what is your opinion? Who counts as "ordinary people"?
Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.
Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.
Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.
Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people.
Would these be the same ordinary people who would give the Labour Party a 30 point lead if there was a General Election tomorrow?
Probably. I was wondering why Labour keep screaming for a general election
Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.
Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.
Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.
Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people.
Would these be the same ordinary people who would give the Labour Party a 30 point lead if there was a General Election tomorrow?
Probably. I was wondering why Labour keep screaming for a general election
Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.
Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.
Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.
Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people
And what is your opinion? Who counts as "ordinary people"?
The logic of the conversation implies the answer to that is "xenophobic swivel-eyed loons"
More broadly, this suggests a very tight immigration policy across the board which is not compatible with the sensible approach to economics, Sunak is trying to portray.
Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.
Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.
Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.
Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people
More broadly, this suggests a very tight immigration policy across the board which is not compatible with the sensible approach to economics, Sunak is trying to portray.
I suppose we shall have to find out whether Sunak is lying, and if he isn't whether the Once and Future Home Secretary is more committed to being in power or being feted by the far right.
So, 2pm yesterday I started this thread, and despite the protestations of some that I was precipitate, by 5pm today - just 27 hours later, his Cabinet appointments vindicate me.
The cannot conquer for ever. But how many fair Riders of Rohan and rangers of Ithilien must fall before the Ring is cast into the Sammath Naur?
Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.
Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.
Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.
Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people
So, 2pm yesterday I started this thread, and despite the protestations of some that I was precipitate, by 5pm today - just 27 hours later, his Cabinet appointments vindicate me.
The cannot conquer for ever. But how many fair Riders of Rohan and rangers of Ithilien must fall before the Ring is cast into the Sammath Naur?
Absolutely. I refer the Honourable Shipmates to the comments I made a page or so ago...
Not such good news is the possibility - it has NOT been announced! - that Cruella may be back as Home Secretary.
Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.
Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.
Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people
Can someone fill me in on this humourous(I assume) misspelling of Rishi's name? I think I've seen it a few times on the Ship, but I can't find any other references to it on-line. What's the joke?
Can someone fill me in on this humourous(I assume) misspelling of Rishi's name? I think I've seen it a few times on the Ship, but I can't find any other references to it on-line. What's the joke?
Sorry - blame John Crace of the Guardian. I think it's a take on Sunak's leadership campaign slogan, which was (IIRC) *Ready for Rishi!*, but with the exclamation mark somewhat obscuring the final *i* by being rather large and prominent.
Can someone fill me in on this humourous(I assume) misspelling of Rishi's name? I think I've seen it a few times on the Ship, but I can't find any other references to it on-line. What's the joke?
Sorry - blame John Crace of the Guardian. I think it's a take on Sunak's leadership campaign slogan, which was (IIRC) *Ready for Rishi!*, but with the exclamation mark somewhat obscuring the final *i* by being rather large and prominent.
I will cease and desist from using it.
Thanks!
And no need to cease and desist from using it. I wasn't complaining at all, just curious.
Can someone fill me in on this humourous(I assume) misspelling of Rishi's name? I think I've seen it a few times on the Ship, but I can't find any other references to it on-line. What's the joke?
Sorry - blame John Crace of the Guardian. I think it's a take on Sunak's leadership campaign slogan, which was (IIRC) *Ready for Rishi!*, but with the exclamation mark somewhat obscuring the final *i* by being rather large and prominent.
I will cease and desist from using it.
Thanks!
And no need to cease and desist from using it. I wasn't complaining at all, just curious.
Well, it's a bit obscure - another Guardian columnist has given Rishi the codename *Sunak the Sensible*, but somewhat ironically, I feel...
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Secondly he s not an unknown figure. He was chancellor. He has a reputation.
Thirdly we are British satire is in our blood.
Seconded.
And annoyed that someone beat me to it...
What are you talking about here? Do you think that people of colour haven't said that Home Office policies have been racist? I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically.
"Say: I am an unprofitable servant; I have done only what was expected of me."
That said, the furlough scheme didn't cover self-employed people or people on fixed-term contracts. There wasn't a lot of clarity on how long it would last. I doubt it was beyond the wit of a competent chancellor to implement something better.
Sunak was also behind the Eat Out to Help Out scheme, which was largely ineffective in helping the economy and did help COVID get out of control again. He was also allegedly one of the voices arguing for the delays in lockdown, which were disastrous.
I'm saying that if the policies are being pushed by people of colour then it's reasonable to assume that those people of colour don't think they're racist.
No, that's not what has been said. This sounds like inventing a guy to be mad at.
Only one table in the whole building? And how can they run with their feet under it?
But others do.
Defining oppression isn't necessarily a simple proposition. There are plenty of women who advocate for positions that other women find appallingly sexist, for example. Indeed, there are a lot of men who advocate ideas of masculinity that I as a man find appallingly sexist.
Well, I did set it up with tongue in cheek. Satire I'm not so sure, but humour yes.
Ah! The Curse of the Common Cliche strikes again!
He might not have room to stretch himself out in a Somnolent Posture...
Given Rish!'s apparent desire to implement the draconian anti-immigration policies of Braverman and Patel, this would not come as a surprise, but it would be most unwelcome.
Except to the xenophobic swivel-eyed loons, of course, and their name is Legion.
Oh please God no.
Quite - but this has not yet been announced, let alone confirmed, and you know what the rumour mill is like...
If she does return, like a dose of clap, she still has to find an airline willing to help fulfil her dream of sending people to a concentration camp in Africa, and (in the meantime) the Navy is not all that keen on drowning women and children in the Channel...
Indeed - quite the reverse, in fact, given the purpose of those organisations.
Paid mercenaries might be of some *use*, I suppose, but let's hope it doesn't come to that...
Making it look suspiciously as though the dodgy email was sent specifically to knife Truss.
I agree. Dark days.
Most unwelcome to you but I keep hearing that it is popular with ordinary people
Richi's choice.
If you've suffered who knows what in order to find a place of safety here, she dreams of putting you on a plane to Rwanda.
What fuels her hatred? Why? What happened? Does she even know how to spell "empathy"?
Only those ordinary people who are as short on empathy and rich in hatred as she is. I don't give a shit what they want. Don’t think I haven't seen the foetid underbelly of human depravity expressed in Daily Mail comments sections and on social media.
Would these be the same ordinary people who would give the Labour Party a 30 point lead if there was a General Election tomorrow?
And what is your opinion? Who counts as "ordinary people"?
Probably. I was wondering why Labour keep screaming for a general election
Because they'd win it, obviously.
The logic of the conversation implies the answer to that is "xenophobic swivel-eyed loons"
More broadly, this suggests a very tight immigration policy across the board which is not compatible with the sensible approach to economics, Sunak is trying to portray.
AFZ
Not the choice of many people I talk to
I suppose we shall have to find out whether Sunak is lying, and if he isn't whether the Once and Future Home Secretary is more committed to being in power or being feted by the far right.
The cannot conquer for ever. But how many fair Riders of Rohan and rangers of Ithilien must fall before the Ring is cast into the Sammath Naur?
Absolutely. I refer the Honourable Shipmates to the comments I made a page or so ago...
AFZ
How did we get from "ordinary people" to "Conservatives"?
Can someone fill me in on this humourous(I assume) misspelling of Rishi's name? I think I've seen it a few times on the Ship, but I can't find any other references to it on-line. What's the joke?
Sorry - blame John Crace of the Guardian. I think it's a take on Sunak's leadership campaign slogan, which was (IIRC) *Ready for Rishi!*, but with the exclamation mark somewhat obscuring the final *i* by being rather large and prominent.
I will cease and desist from using it.
Thanks!
And no need to cease and desist from using it. I wasn't complaining at all, just curious.
Well, it's a bit obscure - another Guardian columnist has given Rishi the codename *Sunak the Sensible*, but somewhat ironically, I feel...