I don't recall Elizabeth Windsor addressing COP26, but it wouldn't have been something of particular interest to me. I'd expect she could have given an address welcoming people to the conference in her role as head of state for the host nation.
Apparently it was when Liz Truss was PM that King Charles was advised not to attend the next COP. Surely this is 'interesting' from a constitutional point of view?
I think it is poor show for Rishi to decide he can't attend and I think he is going to regret that decision.
The PM will now be attending if he can find the time in his very busy schedule
They're not lunatics, they're arseholes. The cruelty is deliberate and intentional.
It's designed to appeal to the worst sort of Conservative voter, to try to persuade them to vote Conservative rather than for whatever form Farage may manifest himself in from time to time. He was being interviewed on the World at One today. He was manipulating alleged factoids. It was odious.
Now we hear that some people - including the local tory MP (Sir Roger Gale) - are concerned that asylum seekers at Manston are being deliberately kept, by the Home Office, in overcrowded conditions.
IF this is true (and please note the IF), then, coupled with Cruella's admission that she used her own email address for government business, Sunak must surely have no option but to sack her.
On so doing, he should immediately resign himself, and seek a General Election.
Please, let's get rid of these lunatics once and for all.
It won't be that simple as they're string it out. However, it is possible that Braverman could bring down Sunak. She's more toxic than I think she realised and her sacking - if indeed it happens - will further deepen divisions....
They're not lunatics, they're arseholes. The cruelty is deliberate and intentional.
It's designed to appeal to the worst sort of Conservative voter, to try to persuade them to vote Conservative rather than for whatever form Farage may manifest himself in from time to time. He was being interviewed on the World at One today. He was manipulating alleged factoids. It was odious.
Was he? I missed that - fortunately! Their standards must be dropping, though I suppose as long as they challenge him when he's lying and get someone from the world of sanity for balance - then OK.
Was he? I missed that - fortunately! Their standards must be dropping, though I suppose as long as they challenge him when he's lying and get someone from the world of sanity for balance - then OK.
The interviewer - I will not name them - wasn't challenging him enough. I definitely picked up a whiff of their interpreting their obligation to be impartial further than it needed to go.
It's designed to appeal to the worst sort of Conservative voter, to try to persuade them to vote Conservative rather than for whatever form Farage may manifest himself in from time to time. He was being interviewed on the World at One today. He was manipulating alleged factoids. It was odious.
Was he? I missed that - fortunately! Their standards must be dropping, though I suppose as long as they challenge him when he's lying and get someone from the world of sanity for balance - then OK.
That's not how balance works. The balance between sanity and derangement is half as much derangement, which is still derangement: it's just tipping into outright chaos at half speed.
I see Braverman using the language of the hard right, talking about an "invasion" of migrants. I guess she's fighting for her career. Of course, the irony is that the Tories have been in power for 12 years, and yet she says the system is broken.
Now we hear that some people - including the local tory MP (Sir Roger Gale) - are concerned that asylum seekers at Manston are being deliberately kept, by the Home Office, in overcrowded conditions.
IF this is true (and please note the IF), then, coupled with Cruella's admission that she used her own email address for government business, Sunak must surely have no option but to sack her.
On so doing, he should immediately resign himself, and seek a General Election.
Please, let's get rid of these lunatics once and for all.
And pass the poison chalice to Sir Kier, who cannot possibly deliver according to expectation, like poor Gordon, as neither of them would dare deliver social justice.
Now we hear that some people - including the local tory MP (Sir Roger Gale) - are concerned that asylum seekers at Manston are being deliberately kept, by the Home Office, in overcrowded conditions.
IF this is true (and please note the IF), then, coupled with Cruella's admission that she used her own email address for government business, Sunak must surely have no option but to sack her.
On so doing, he should immediately resign himself, and seek a General Election.
Please, let's get rid of these lunatics once and for all.
And pass the poison chalice to Sir Kier, who cannot possibly deliver according to expectation, like poor Gordon, as neither of them would dare deliver social justice.
I would settle for someone who can make headway in getting us out of this hell we are in as a nation. Someone who thinks about how things affect poor and working people. Someone who can see that closer relationships with the EU will help businesses no end.
That would at least put us I a better position
I see Braverman using the language of the hard right, talking about an "invasion" of migrants. I guess she's fighting for her career. Of course, the irony is that the Tories have been in power for 12 years, and yet she says the system is broken.
If asylum seekers aren't being processed quickly enough, who's fault is it. I would say it's the people paid to do the job of processing
Anderson is demonising the people who arrive in small boats as "Albanian criminals". That is the problem. He knows full well the racist trope that immigrants are criminals. He is attempting to both erode empathy towards refugees and also to make such empathy appear ridiculous. The attempt is to paint the situation as simply criminals trying to enter the country for nefarious purposes. Braverman's use of "invasion" is part of the same horrific attempt to erode compassion, empathy and care of one's fellow man, wherever he may come from.
It's demonisation of a group, essentially. Exactly what racists always do to their victims.
That it's not on the face of it an obvious lie is one of the distinctives of it being a dog whistle..
I see Braverman using the language of the hard right, talking about an "invasion" of migrants. I guess she's fighting for her career. Of course, the irony is that the Tories have been in power for 12 years, and yet she says the system is broken.
If asylum seekers aren't being processed quickly enough, who's fault is it. I would say it's the people paid to do the job of processing
I see Braverman using the language of the hard right, talking about an "invasion" of migrants. I guess she's fighting for her career. Of course, the irony is that the Tories have been in power for 12 years, and yet she says the system is broken.
If asylum seekers aren't being processed quickly enough, who's fault is it. I would say it's the people paid to do the job of processing
I see Braverman using the language of the hard right, talking about an "invasion" of migrants. I guess she's fighting for her career. Of course, the irony is that the Tories have been in power for 12 years, and yet she says the system is broken.
If asylum seekers aren't being processed quickly enough, who's fault is it. I would say it's the people paid to do the job of processing
That is just stupid.
How about Lack of staff, lack of funding, lack of equipment, lack of leadership from the government?
Don’t go blaming those doing a difficult job unless you can prove it.
I see Braverman using the language of the hard right, talking about an "invasion" of migrants.
Yes, she's using language that wouldn't be out of place in the Mail and Times and a bunch of journalists are acting shocked.
And Lee Anderson backing her up with the "foreign criminals" racist trope.
What have we become?
How would you describe an Albanian criminal who comes here from abroad ?
Who are these Albanian criminals? Only a small minority of immigrants to the UK are European, and most of those claim asylum successfully. Where is your actual evidence for Albanian criminals coming here?
There does seem to be a genuine problem with Albanian organised crime in some areas of the UK. However, that is overwhelmingly a specific group of Albanians who are already resident here being involved in importing drugs - why would they bring potential rivals to the UK?
I am curious as to why Albanians are being specifically targeted here. I suspect that it's because they are both mostly Muslim and also mostly white - they may have Mediterranean complexions but they aren't 'obviously Muslim' by UK standards. That makes them a threat to the far-right who fear what they see as a Muslim threat to whiteness.
I see Braverman using the language of the hard right, talking about an "invasion" of migrants.
Yes, she's using language that wouldn't be out of place in the Mail and Times and a bunch of journalists are acting shocked.
And Lee Anderson backing her up with the "foreign criminals" racist trope.
What have we become?
How would you describe an Albanian criminal who comes here from abroad ?
Who are these Albanian criminals? Only a small minority of immigrants to the UK are European, and most of those claim asylum successfully. Where is your actual evidence for Albanian criminals coming here?
There does seem to be a genuine problem with Albanian organised crime in some areas of the UK. However, that is overwhelmingly a specific group of Albanians who are already resident here being involved in importing drugs - why would they bring potential rivals to the UK?
I am curious as to why Albanians are being specifically targeted here. I suspect that it's because they are both mostly Muslim and also mostly white - they may have Mediterranean complexions but they aren't 'obviously Muslim' by UK standards. That makes them a threat to the far-right who fear what they see as a Muslim threat to whiteness.
You may well be right. Poor bemused Telford probably thinks all Albanians are Horrid Brown People Not Like Us.
Wikipedia tells us that only (you know what I mean!) 58% of Albanians identify as Muslim, with Christians (mostly Orthodox) as the second largest faith group. The Albanian Orthodox Church has experienced something of a revival since the end of Communism.
(I once bought a bottle of the strongest red wine I've ever tasted from an Albanian lady in a street market in what is now Croatia. As far as I'm concerned, if Albanians want to come to Brexitannia Unhinged, and bring that wine with them, they'll be very welcome.)
The allegation is that Albanian criminals (drug traffickers?) who are already here are persuading needy Albanians to come here in order to exploit them as agents, mules, etc. The immigrants are not necessarily criminals in themselves, but of course by coming here illegally they put themselves on the wrong side of the law, at least in the eyes of the Immigration Department.
The allegation is that Albanian criminals (drug traffickers?) who are already here are persuading needy Albanians to come here in order to exploit them as agents, mules, etc. The immigrants are not necessarily criminals in themselves, but of course by coming here illegally they put themselves on the wrong side of the law, at least in the eyes of the Immigration Department.
The allegation is that Albanian criminals (drug traffickers?) who are already here are persuading needy Albanians to come here in order to exploit them as agents, mules, etc. The immigrants are not necessarily criminals in themselves, but of course by coming here illegally they put themselves on the wrong side of the law, at least in the eyes of the Immigration Department.
At last, a balanced and sensible response
No it isn't, at least not in isolation. There's no indication that this either covers a) the majority of Albanians coming here or that b) Albanians are a significant percentage of those coming here.
The latest King Charles' Head prevents poor bemused Telford from seeing that, I'm afraid.
@Eirenist is right in saying that some Albanians may well be induced, by alleged malefactors already in the UK, to come here - but the same might apply to people from other parts of the world.
Maybe one of the few good things that will come out of the current government's term in office is an agreement that non-white people can in fact be racist. It would be a pleasant shift from the previous orthodoxy that only white people can be guilty of that particular sin.
Maybe one of the few good things that will come out of the current government's term in office is an agreement that non-white people can in fact be racist. It would be a pleasant shift from the previous orthodoxy that only white people can be guilty of that particular sin.
Braverman is certainly propping up racist ideologies and systems, indeed trying to make them more so. That she does so from within a racialised group is neither here no there. The argument (as I understand it) is that while white people can certainly be discriminated against on the grounds of race, ethnic background or nationality they are not subject to racism as a structural phenomenon (obviously this is in the UK and other historically white-dominated countries, you'd need a different paradigm for Japan, say).
The allegation is that Albanian criminals (drug traffickers?) who are already here are persuading needy Albanians to come here in order to exploit them as agents, mules, etc. The immigrants are not necessarily criminals in themselves, but of course by coming here illegally they put themselves on the wrong side of the law, at least in the eyes of the Immigration Department.
At last, a balanced and sensible response
No it isn't, at least not in isolation. There's no indication that this either covers a) the majority of Albanians coming here or that b) Albanians are a significant percentage of those coming here.
There are plenty of indications, but if you ignore the news, you will not get the indications.
The allegation is that Albanian criminals (drug traffickers?) who are already here are persuading needy Albanians to come here in order to exploit them as agents, mules, etc. The immigrants are not necessarily criminals in themselves, but of course by coming here illegally they put themselves on the wrong side of the law, at least in the eyes of the Immigration Department.
At last, a balanced and sensible response
But it contradicts your statement since those Albanians would be the victims of crime, not perpetrators - even if they did arrive illegally, they were trafficked and you legally cannot consent to trafficking.
The allegation is that Albanian criminals (drug traffickers?) who are already here are persuading needy Albanians to come here in order to exploit them as agents, mules, etc. The immigrants are not necessarily criminals in themselves, but of course by coming here illegally they put themselves on the wrong side of the law, at least in the eyes of the Immigration Department.
At last, a balanced and sensible response
No it isn't, at least not in isolation. There's no indication that this either covers a) the majority of Albanians coming here or that b) Albanians are a significant percentage of those coming here.
There are plenty of indications, but if you ignore the news, you will not get the indications.
GBeebies is not "news", it's propaganda, which you appear to have swallowed whole.
The allegation is that Albanian criminals (drug traffickers?) who are already here are persuading needy Albanians to come here in order to exploit them as agents, mules, etc. The immigrants are not necessarily criminals in themselves, but of course by coming here illegally they put themselves on the wrong side of the law, at least in the eyes of the Immigration Department.
At last, a balanced and sensible response
But it contradicts your statement since those Albanians would be the victims of crime, not perpetrators - even if they did arrive illegally, they were trafficked and you legally cannot consent to trafficking.
Are you suggesting that the majority of these economic migrants did not want to come to the UK ?
The allegation is that Albanian criminals (drug traffickers?) who are already here are persuading needy Albanians to come here in order to exploit them as agents, mules, etc. The immigrants are not necessarily criminals in themselves, but of course by coming here illegally they put themselves on the wrong side of the law, at least in the eyes of the Immigration Department.
At last, a balanced and sensible response
No it isn't, at least not in isolation. There's no indication that this either covers a) the majority of Albanians coming here or that b) Albanians are a significant percentage of those coming here.
There are plenty of indications, but if you ignore the news, you will not get the indications.
GBeebies is not "news", it's propaganda, which you appear to have swallowed whole.
The allegation is that Albanian criminals (drug traffickers?) who are already here are persuading needy Albanians to come here in order to exploit them as agents, mules, etc. The immigrants are not necessarily criminals in themselves, but of course by coming here illegally they put themselves on the wrong side of the law, at least in the eyes of the Immigration Department.
At last, a balanced and sensible response
No it isn't, at least not in isolation. There's no indication that this either covers a) the majority of Albanians coming here or that b) Albanians are a significant percentage of those coming here.
There are plenty of indications, but if you ignore the news, you will not get the indications.
GBeebies is not "news", it's propaganda, which you appear to have swallowed whole.
I was on about BBC news actually.
I do not for one second believe the BBC said what you claimed.
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Yes, I used the wrong word. It is, I fear, as you say.
The PM will now be attending if he can find the time in his very busy schedule
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/31/rishi-u-turn-cop27-summit-snub-climate
I presume you're counting the IRA in the latter category? Because otherwise that's a very silly comment to make about British attitudes to terrorism.
Indeed.
It won't be that simple as they're string it out. However, it is possible that Braverman could bring down Sunak. She's more toxic than I think she realised and her sacking - if indeed it happens - will further deepen divisions....
Time will tell.
AFZ
And what would Thatcher funnelling money to Unionist paramilitaries be?
Fuck sake.
Thank you for clarifying.
Was he? I missed that - fortunately! Their standards must be dropping, though I suppose as long as they challenge him when he's lying and get someone from the world of sanity for balance - then OK.
How is it whataboutism to mention an incident of British terrorism on a thread discussing British terrorism?
Yes, she's using language that wouldn't be out of place in the Mail and Times and a bunch of journalists are acting shocked.
And pass the poison chalice to Sir Kier, who cannot possibly deliver according to expectation, like poor Gordon, as neither of them would dare deliver social justice.
And Lee Anderson backing her up with the "foreign criminals" racist trope.
What have we become?
I would settle for someone who can make headway in getting us out of this hell we are in as a nation. Someone who thinks about how things affect poor and working people. Someone who can see that closer relationships with the EU will help businesses no end.
That would at least put us I a better position
He's has form for playing fast and loose with facts ( https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-latest-tory-fake-swing-voter-boris-johnson-crick-ashfield-lee-anderson-a9216986.html ), he's also a former Labour councillor who switched sides during the Corbyn era.
We're well rid.
What we always were.
Openly racist MPs?
Enoch Powel?
If asylum seekers aren't being processed quickly enough, who's fault is it. I would say it's the people paid to do the job of processing
Yeah, but that was a long time ago. At least since then they've mostly tried to pretend not to be channelling Hatey Kopkins.
How would you describe an Albanian criminal who comes here from abroad ?
It's demonisation of a group, essentially. Exactly what racists always do to their victims.
That it's not on the face of it an obvious lie is one of the distinctives of it being a dog whistle..
I see you're going down into the toilet as well. Have you no shame?
That is just stupid That is just stupid.
How about Lack of staff, lack of funding, lack of equipment, lack of leadership from the government?
Don’t go blaming those doing a difficult job unless you can prove it.
Judge, jury, and executioner?
Who are these Albanian criminals? Only a small minority of immigrants to the UK are European, and most of those claim asylum successfully. Where is your actual evidence for Albanian criminals coming here?
There does seem to be a genuine problem with Albanian organised crime in some areas of the UK. However, that is overwhelmingly a specific group of Albanians who are already resident here being involved in importing drugs - why would they bring potential rivals to the UK?
I am curious as to why Albanians are being specifically targeted here. I suspect that it's because they are both mostly Muslim and also mostly white - they may have Mediterranean complexions but they aren't 'obviously Muslim' by UK standards. That makes them a threat to the far-right who fear what they see as a Muslim threat to whiteness.
You may well be right. Poor bemused Telford probably thinks all Albanians are Horrid Brown People Not Like Us.
Wikipedia tells us that only (you know what I mean!) 58% of Albanians identify as Muslim, with Christians (mostly Orthodox) as the second largest faith group. The Albanian Orthodox Church has experienced something of a revival since the end of Communism.
(I once bought a bottle of the strongest red wine I've ever tasted from an Albanian lady in a street market in what is now Croatia. As far as I'm concerned, if Albanians want to come to Brexitannia Unhinged, and bring that wine with them, they'll be very welcome.)
At last, a balanced and sensible response
No it isn't, at least not in isolation. There's no indication that this either covers a) the majority of Albanians coming here or that b) Albanians are a significant percentage of those coming here.
@Eirenist is right in saying that some Albanians may well be induced, by alleged malefactors already in the UK, to come here - but the same might apply to people from other parts of the world.
Is Suella Braverman racist?
Maybe one of the few good things that will come out of the current government's term in office is an agreement that non-white people can in fact be racist. It would be a pleasant shift from the previous orthodoxy that only white people can be guilty of that particular sin.
Braverman is certainly propping up racist ideologies and systems, indeed trying to make them more so. That she does so from within a racialised group is neither here no there. The argument (as I understand it) is that while white people can certainly be discriminated against on the grounds of race, ethnic background or nationality they are not subject to racism as a structural phenomenon (obviously this is in the UK and other historically white-dominated countries, you'd need a different paradigm for Japan, say).
There are plenty of indications, but if you ignore the news, you will not get the indications.
But it contradicts your statement since those Albanians would be the victims of crime, not perpetrators - even if they did arrive illegally, they were trafficked and you legally cannot consent to trafficking.
GBeebies is not "news", it's propaganda, which you appear to have swallowed whole.
Are you suggesting that the majority of these economic migrants did not want to come to the UK ?
I was on about BBC news actually.
I do not for one second believe the BBC said what you claimed.