Mothering Sunday - is it observed in US Episcopal churches?

My dad was asking!

For context he is a retired Canon in the Church in Wales, and is too frail to attend our church at the moment, but we got into a discussion about ‘Mother’s Day’ being a purely secular occasion in the US on a different date.

So - is Mothering Sunday observed in any US Episcopal churches? If so, when and how?

(Hey, it makes a change from comparing ailments…)

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  • It used to be celebrated at my previous parish, which is very Anglo-Catholic. It would be mentioned at the announcements and then there'd be a special coffee hour. This was quite decreased from what it used to be, well before I got there, which was a whole after service brunch that all of the men would prepare and serve. Alas, even the fancy coffee hour didn't come back after Covid. I don't know if they've done anything to revive it since I left. The church I attend now, very much not AC, doesn't observe it.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 2024
    It used to be celebrated at my previous parish, which is very Anglo-Catholic. It would be mentioned at the announcements and then there'd be a special coffee hour. This was quite decreased from what it used to be, well before I got there, which was a whole after service brunch that all of the men would prepare and serve. Alas, even the fancy coffee hour didn't come back after Covid. I don't know if they've done anything to revive it since I left. The church I attend now, very much not AC, doesn't observe it.

    Was it observed on the Fourth Sunday in Lent, which is the usual day in the UK? IIRC, the secular *Mothers' Day* is some time in May in other countries.
  • Oh yes, meant to say that. It was observed on the 4th Sunday of Lent.
  • I’m not an Episcopalian, but mention of it being Laetare Sunday/Mothering Sunday (both terms were used) was made a number of times at our Presbyterian (PC(USA)) church, particularly during the “time with children.” The Mothering Sunday aspect focused solely on “mother churches,” so no overlap with Mother’s Day.

  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I’m not an Episcopalian, but mention of it being Laetare Sunday/Mothering Sunday (both terms were used) was made a number of times at our Presbyterian (PC(USA)) church, particularly during the “time with children.” The Mothering Sunday aspect focused solely on “mother churches,” so no overlap with Mother’s Day.
    That's quite interesting and surprising, as 'mother churches' doesn't sound all that of a Presbyterian concept.

    According to Wikipedia, Mothering Sunday was about people going back to visit the church where they were baptised, but according to various sermons I've heard over the years, it was more about young people employed as servants or in agriculture had a sort of customary day off that Sunday to go back to see their parents.

  • MamacitaMamacita Shipmate
    Gill H wrote: »
    So - is Mothering Sunday observed in any US Episcopal churches? If so, when and how?

    Cradle Episcopalian here, and the short answer is "no," although I note @Thomas Rowans'' comment upthread, and admittedly I have little experience of the A/C corner of TEC. Whether the US secular Mother's Day holiday (2nd Sunday in May) is observed in churches of any flavor is kind of a mixed bag. I worked in children's and youth programs within TEC for many years and saw any emphasis on it go from middling to nonexistent. I have known of other denominations (and non-denominational churches) where a very big deal is made of Mother's Day - indeed, I've been in many such conversations right here on the Ship. I believe, though, that the trend is well away from this in recent years, along with a growing sensitivity that such celebrations can be painful for many.

  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    Enoch wrote: »
    According to Wikipedia, Mothering Sunday was about people going back to visit the church where they were baptised, but according to various sermons I've heard over the years, it was more about young people employed as servants or in agriculture had a sort of customary day off that Sunday to go back to see their parents.

    Both are correct. Originally it was about visiting their “mother” church where they were baptised, but if servants were returning to their home village, it makes sense that they would also visit their parents.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited March 2024
    Enoch wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I’m not an Episcopalian, but mention of it being Laetare Sunday/Mothering Sunday (both terms were used) was made a number of times at our Presbyterian (PC(USA)) church, particularly during the “time with children.” The Mothering Sunday aspect focused solely on “mother churches,” so no overlap with Mother’s Day.
    That's quite interesting and surprising, as 'mother churches' doesn't sound all that of a Presbyterian concept.

    According to Wikipedia, Mothering Sunday was about people going back to visit the church where they were baptised, . . . .
    And “mother churches” being what some call the church where one was baptized was the context in which it was discussed with the children, some of whom were baptized in our church and some of whom were baptized elsewhere. “Mother churches” may not be a phrase that often falls from Presbyterian lips, but “the church where I was baptized” wouldn’t be uncommon, and baptismal references are pretty much an every-Sunday thing (the Confession and Assurance of Pardon are led from the font). Baptism, including their own baptisms, is something regularly talked about with children in particular.

    And to be clear, we well may have been the only Presbyterian congregation anywhere around that made mention of the day.


  • Spike wrote: »
    Enoch wrote: »
    According to Wikipedia, Mothering Sunday was about people going back to visit the church where they were baptised, but according to various sermons I've heard over the years, it was more about young people employed as servants or in agriculture had a sort of customary day off that Sunday to go back to see their parents.

    Both are correct. Originally it was about visiting their “mother” church where they were baptised, but if servants were returning to their home village, it makes sense that they would also visit their parents.

    Yes, this is what I was told when at Sunday School. I suppose a Sunday half-way though Lent was chosen as it provided a brief respite from the austerity of the season.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Enoch wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I’m not an Episcopalian, but mention of it being Laetare Sunday/Mothering Sunday (both terms were used) was made a number of times at our Presbyterian (PC(USA)) church, particularly during the “time with children.” The Mothering Sunday aspect focused solely on “mother churches,” so no overlap with Mother’s Day.
    That's quite interesting and surprising, as 'mother churches' doesn't sound all that of a Presbyterian concept.

    According to Wikipedia, Mothering Sunday was about people going back to visit the church where they were baptised, but according to various sermons I've heard over the years, it was more about young people employed as servants or in agriculture had a sort of customary day off that Sunday to go back to see their parents.

    I suspect that is because nobody knows the origin of the term, so its anybody's guess.
  • ZappaZappa Shipmate
    Enoch wrote: »
    According to Wikipedia, Mothering Sunday was about people going back to visit the church where they were baptised

    Dammit that could be a problem for me. I was I believe baptised in an Anglican school chapel in Nairobi.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Zappa wrote: »
    Enoch wrote: »
    According to Wikipedia, Mothering Sunday was about people going back to visit the church where they were baptised

    Dammit that could be a problem for me. I was I believe baptised in an Anglican school chapel in Nairobi.

    I was baptised in the parish church in Somerset where my dad was curate. I wouldn't be surprised if the journey time to Nairobi was shorter.
  • rhubarbrhubarb Shipmate
    The custom in my community is to observe neither Mothering Sunday nor Mother's Day. I'm happy to keep it that way.
  • OblatusOblatus Shipmate
    rhubarb wrote: »
    The custom in my community is to observe neither Mothering Sunday nor Mother's Day. I'm happy to keep it that way.

    Agreed, and same where I am. At most, there's a mention of mothers in the Prayers of the People on Mother's Day in May. Observing the day happens in individual families if desired.
  • Oblatus wrote: »
    rhubarb wrote: »
    The custom in my community is to observe neither Mothering Sunday nor Mother's Day. I'm happy to keep it that way.

    Agreed, and same where I am. At most, there's a mention of mothers in the Prayers of the People on Mother's Day in May. Observing the day happens in individual families if desired.

    Would that it were so here in the UK. Alas! the secular *Mothers' Day* is kept on the fourth Sunday in Lent each year, and becomes one of those Feasts Of Saint Hallmark* And The Emotional Blackmail.

    The Church (or many parts of it) feels constrained to follow the herd, with the result that many people - those who have lost children through death or estrangement, those who have never been able to have children, those whose mothers did them great harm etc. etc. - feel alienated and left out of the mummy-fest that some Places put on (or try to put on).

    (*one of the main greetings card publishers here)
  • Hallmark is ubiquitous here in the US as well. "Hallmark holiday," in the US holiday meaning a day like Christmas or Halloween rather than a vacation, is a term here.
  • ChastMastr wrote: »
    Hallmark is ubiquitous here in the US as well. "Hallmark holiday," in the US holiday meaning a day like Christmas or Halloween rather than a vacation, is a term here.

    Thanks @ChastMastr - I had a feeling that we were not alone, but wasn't sure...
  • In my experience, Mothering Sunday is not generally observed in TEC, although I've heard it mentioned in a handful of sermons on the day, over the years.

    "Mothers' Day" and its companion "Fathers' Day" rate a mention, but thankfully our place has moved away from the schmaltzy sentimentality that it had over these days a decade or so ago.
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