Donald ******* Trump

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  • Interesting though that most Western politicians refuse to name it as genocide, in fact, refuse to go beyond saying that Israel has the right to self-defence. Yes, against women and children. I wonder how this moral cowardice will look in the future, maybe like moral cowardice.
  • Moral cowardice, certainly - if there is a future.

    Meanwhile, Israel is attacking the Fordow nuclear plant, but why? If it has been completely obliterated, as per the God-Emperor's bragging, why waste time and resources on it?

  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    It goes beyond genocide.
    One can't go beyond genocide. If the term "genocide" isn't sufficient it's only because the term has been devalued by outrage inflation.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    Dafyd wrote: »
    It goes beyond genocide.
    One can't go beyond genocide.

    Well, it’s generally defined as the destruction of a people in whole or in part as such, so it’s possible that a particular genocidal act may involve fewer deaths than a particular war crime / crime against humanity and vice versa, even if in popular discourse it takes on a kind of superlative quality.
  • Iran has attacked a US base in Qatar:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk

    (That link is to the live blog, so will be updated frequently).

    Trump is *in the situation room*. Presumably the US is now officially at war with Iran?
  • Eirenist wrote: »
    I have long ceased to be surprised at anything Mr Trump says or does, but his habit of returning military salutes when in civvies still irks me. The British practice, I understand, is to salute if one is in uniform, with appropriate headgear. If in mufti one salutes by raising one's hat (a bowler for preference). Churchill, as Former Naval Person and Minister of Defence, adopted a Royal Navy uniform on occasion in WWII. Trump does not have that option, not being a former anything. He could salute by taking off his hideous MAGA cap, which I notice a has now turned a rather grubby greyish-white.

    Trump is by no means the first US president to return salutes - all presidents since Reagan have done this. You can make a sketchy case that, as the Commander in Chief of the US military, the President's civilian clothes are, functionally, a uniform.
  • ISTM that there is now far more to be irked about, as regards Trump, than salutes.

    Still, latest photos show him in what appears to be a nice new bright red MAGA cap.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Presumably the US is now officially at war with Iran?
    No, not “officially,” unless Congress declares war, or at the very least, authorizes military action.

    ISTM that there is now far more to be irked about, as regards Trump, than salutes.
    It really would be nice if people who live where Trump is not president—yes, I fully acknowledge that his actions have considerable and harmful impacts across the globe—would stop suggesting to those of us who do live where he is president what we should and shouldn’t be irked about.


  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited 7:17PM
    I was actually referring to @Eirenist's earlier remarks, as quoted by @Leorning Cniht, about being *irked* by salutes. I should have made that clearer, perhaps. My bad.

    Noted re Congress, and AIUI there are moves afoot to get Congress to decide the matter.
  • Lamb ChoppedLamb Chopped Shipmate
    How I wish that Congress would grow a spine.
  • How I wish that Congress would grow a spine.

    That point has, in a way, been mentioned in the UK media.
  • HedgehogHedgehog Shipmate
    They announced they had nominated him before he bombed Iran. Why is unclear. The stated reason is supposedly some help in calming tensions between India and Pakistan. The actual reason is likely buttering up Trump who is known to want the Nobel peace prize possibly to lower US imposed tariffs, possibly to encourage Trump not to do what he has now done and bomb Iran. Pakistan does share a longish land boundary with Iran.

    This article puts some perspective on it. Trump, bragging as he does, claimed to have mediated an India-Pakistan ceasefire. Pakistan, presumably to suck up, ran with it. But Trump's claim ruffled India's feathers, who were/are/will be dead set against such mediation.
    "PM Modi told President Trump clearly that during this period, there was no talk at any stage on subjects like India-US trade deal or US mediation between India and Pakistan," Misri said.

    "Prime Minister Modi emphasized that India has not accepted mediation in the past and never will," Misri added.
  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host
    How I wish that Congress would grow a spine.

    Please God.

    The congress critters I've written to don't seem to be much concerned about the things I'm concerned with. The few who have emailed back have basically said that they need to take care of the 'people', and not the things I've shared with them.

    Aren't I a 'people'?
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    How I wish that Congress would grow a spine.
    Me too!

  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Spinal-deficiency is sadly an epidemic in Congresses, Senates, Parliaments and similar chambers around the world. Far too few politicians who actually want to work for their constituents and nations, and far too many just interested in themselves and their financial backers.
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