Or, rather, Trump has said that there's a cease fire. The governments of Israel and Iran don't appear to have been consulted before he made that announcement.
Apparently, Iran's foreign minister has said that they haven't agreed to any ceasefire but if Israel stops attacking by 4AM Tehran time, then Iran will hold its fire.
President Donald Trump says that, in his view, both Iran and Israel violated a nascent ceasefire he announced earlier.
Israel accused Iran of launching missiles into its airspace after the ceasefire was supposed to take effect. Iran’s state media said its military denied firing on Israel.
Iran “violated it but Israel violated it too,” Trump said. “I’m not happy with Israel.”
Israel and Iran had accepted a ceasefire plan proposed by Trump to end their 12-day war that had roiled the Middle East.
It is a "Breaking News" feed so it may have moved on by the time you click on this link.
Plenty of countries have nuclear power plants and no nuclear weapons. If Iran wanted to build a nuclear power plant why couldn't there have been some help and collaboration with such a project and it all be out in the open, as it were?
What a great idea! The biggest stumbling block is that this has already been tried, it worked really well for a while, then the U.S. elected Donald Trump president in 2016 and he almost immediately reneged on the agreement because anything Obama had done had to be undone. Given the massive amount of effort and negotiation all parties put into the JCPOA only to see it destroyed by an orange vulgarian in fit of pique, why would the Iranians regard the second Trump administration to be any more trustworthy as a negotiating party than the first Trump administration?
He sounds like a very ineffective headmaster, shouting vainly at two playground bullies who simply have no desire whatsoever to stop fighting each other.
Would he dare cut off military aid to Israel. He would have no end of trouble in the US if he did surely.
The jury remains out on whether there are any red lines for his remaining supporters. If there are, in terms of policy, support for Israel is likely to be one of them. As regards personal behaviour I'm not even sure the old "dead girl or live boy" standard applies.
According to a "leaked classified document" issued by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Fordow facility and the others suffered only limited damage setting back Iran's nuclear program only by a few months.
According to Israel, Mossad has been able to enter the Fordow facility and confirms its complete destruction.
So. Who to believe?
I don't doubt that the valiant American airmen were able to enter Iranian airspace and deliver all their payloads to the intended targets. The question being, were they enough?
I guess we will know in time. But if the Iranians were successful in sequestering uranium and equipment prior to the strikes, we now face a reality where Iran will refuse the oversight of the IAEA and where once we actually had a pretty accurate picture of the extent of Iran's uranium enrichment, we will now have zero picture.
According to a "leaked classified document" issued by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Fordow facility and the others suffered only limited damage setting back Iran's nuclear program only by a few months.
According to Israel, Mossad has been able to enter the Fordow facility and confirms its complete destruction.
So. Who to believe?
I don't doubt that the valiant American airmen were able to enter Iranian airspace and deliver all their payloads to the intended targets. The question being, were they enough?
I guess we will know in time. But if the Iranians were successful in sequestering uranium and equipment prior to the strikes, we now face a reality where Iran will refuse the oversight of the IAEA and where once we actually had a pretty accurate picture of the extent of Iran's uranium enrichment, we will now have zero picture.
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Give it time and bits and pieces will emerge. There’s a school of thought that Britain was deliberately kept out of all this because the CIA think MI6 has got better assets on the ground than the US and didn’t want them blown.
CIA and MI6 between them will be having a look.
It’s not as completely bleak as you’re painting though (and this is just an observation rather than an endorsement of the actions) - sequester uranium, sure - all you need’s a warehouse.
You can also store sequestered equipment.
But they will fundamentally have to recreate the facilities that they’ve just lost to get going again and it’s pretty hard to do that quietly.
Like I say, I’m not cheering all this on, but it’s not ‘nothing to see, they’ll be back to normal by next week’ either
But they will fundamentally have to recreate the facilities that they’ve just lost to get going again and it’s pretty hard to do that quietly.
Assuming what they've lost is something critical, as opposed to entrance tunnels or similar.
Or something in between - one of several locations suitable for the equipment and materials, with each as a "warm site" where a modest amount of effort can transfer operations.
But they will fundamentally have to recreate the facilities that they’ve just lost to get going again and it’s pretty hard to do that quietly.
Assuming what they've lost is something critical, as opposed to entrance tunnels or similar.
Or something in between - one of several locations suitable for the equipment and materials, with each as a "warm site" where a modest amount of effort can transfer operations.
See above, but also the strategy here was that they’ve got a main site where they do all this stuff, and two others where they could (along the lines you suggest), so they’ve hit the three of them.
Interestingly "what's next" in the UK is the government condemning criticism of the Israeli military after announcing that a certain group was to be classed as terrorist.
I don't think I can say more than that. Which is another layer of this, not only can those who say these things in public get in trouble, it appears that nobody else will be able to talk about other people who have done these things.
One column in one newspaper already said that they probably wouldn't have been able publish an interview next week, with the implication that it might have to be removed later. This doesn't make a lot of sense but unfortunately I don't think I can explain.
On another topic, I think we can still say that we hope Ukraine continues to resist and that the Russian army doesn't, but I'm not even sure about that.
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Meanwhile, 21 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza whilst waiting for aid...another atrocity to add to Netanyahu's charge sheet.
Very much a scenario where it would be good for both governments to lose.
Trump seems pissed at both - with the majority of his ire in the clip aimed at Israel:
https://x.com/cspan/status/1937468807536169315
It is a "Breaking News" feed so it may have moved on by the time you click on this link.
Israel and Iran continue to bash each other up, it seems, according to latest news.
What a great idea! The biggest stumbling block is that this has already been tried, it worked really well for a while, then the U.S. elected Donald Trump president in 2016 and he almost immediately reneged on the agreement because anything Obama had done had to be undone. Given the massive amount of effort and negotiation all parties put into the JCPOA only to see it destroyed by an orange vulgarian in fit of pique, why would the Iranians regard the second Trump administration to be any more trustworthy as a negotiating party than the first Trump administration?
Here is something Trump put up on his Truth Social account. (No link because fuck that guy.)
This does not sound like a man who has any ideas other than shouting into the internet, and neither Iran nor Israel seems interested in complying.
He sounds like a very ineffective headmaster, shouting vainly at two playground bullies who simply have no desire whatsoever to stop fighting each other.
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Is that a likely scenario? He does appear to be VERY CROSS, as he himself might shout say.
The jury remains out on whether there are any red lines for his remaining supporters. If there are, in terms of policy, support for Israel is likely to be one of them. As regards personal behaviour I'm not even sure the old "dead girl or live boy" standard applies.
According to Israel, Mossad has been able to enter the Fordow facility and confirms its complete destruction.
So. Who to believe?
I don't doubt that the valiant American airmen were able to enter Iranian airspace and deliver all their payloads to the intended targets. The question being, were they enough?
I guess we will know in time. But if the Iranians were successful in sequestering uranium and equipment prior to the strikes, we now face a reality where Iran will refuse the oversight of the IAEA and where once we actually had a pretty accurate picture of the extent of Iran's uranium enrichment, we will now have zero picture.
AFF
Give it time and bits and pieces will emerge. There’s a school of thought that Britain was deliberately kept out of all this because the CIA think MI6 has got better assets on the ground than the US and didn’t want them blown.
CIA and MI6 between them will be having a look.
It’s not as completely bleak as you’re painting though (and this is just an observation rather than an endorsement of the actions) - sequester uranium, sure - all you need’s a warehouse.
You can also store sequestered equipment.
But they will fundamentally have to recreate the facilities that they’ve just lost to get going again and it’s pretty hard to do that quietly.
Like I say, I’m not cheering all this on, but it’s not ‘nothing to see, they’ll be back to normal by next week’ either
Assuming what they've lost is something critical, as opposed to entrance tunnels or similar.
Or something in between - one of several locations suitable for the equipment and materials, with each as a "warm site" where a modest amount of effort can transfer operations.
Sure, though that all comes down to what is assumed, and some rather brave people are currently running around in Iran trying to remove assumption…
A bigger issue will be if they were to confirm that it was just ‘entrance tunnels or similar’ because that will be a green light to have another go.
See above, but also the strategy here was that they’ve got a main site where they do all this stuff, and two others where they could (along the lines you suggest), so they’ve hit the three of them.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/25/trump-and-hegseth-admit-doubts-over-irans-nuclear-sites-damage-by-us-strikes
This chimes in, I suppose, with what @AFeminineForce said earlier.
Or not; if they stick with their policy of not building a bomb then perhaps having done a dramatic and bigly strike will be enough for Trump.
I don't think I can say more than that. Which is another layer of this, not only can those who say these things in public get in trouble, it appears that nobody else will be able to talk about other people who have done these things.
One column in one newspaper already said that they probably wouldn't have been able publish an interview next week, with the implication that it might have to be removed later. This doesn't make a lot of sense but unfortunately I don't think I can explain.
On another topic, I think we can still say that we hope Ukraine continues to resist and that the Russian army doesn't, but I'm not even sure about that.