Has the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity run its course?

I am a committed ecumenist. My church regards itself as ecumenical, I have served as Chair of local Churches Together Groups, I represent my denomination at regional events - and so on.

For many years I have sought to engage with the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity, which runs from January 18-25. In past years events have tended to draw the same - and diminishing - "faithful few", who come along more out of a sense of duty than with any real excitement. This year the Week is not being observed in our locality at all.

It seems to me that the high point of formal ecumenism was in the 1970s; and much of what was done then has enabled the more informal inter-church relationships of today. However the mainstream" churches that were ecumenically involved are much declined; many new churches have been formed; and the desire for structural unity has evaporated.

Is Christian Unity, at least in the traditional sense, (I speak from a British perspective) a dead duck, and the Week of Prayer a forlorn hope of fanning the embers?

(PS Please forgive the mixed metaphor!)
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  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited January 15
    It seems to me that the high point of formal ecumenism was in the 1970s

    It was actually the topic of propagandistic hymn lyrics at the time.

    We are one in the spirit
    We are one in the Lord

    We are one in the spirit
    We are one in the Lord

    And we pray that our unity may one day be restored

    And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love

    Yes, they'll know we are Christians by our love

    As for the direct topic, as a past participant in and now interested observer of Christian churches, yes, it wouldn't surprise me overmuch if(to continue the mixed metaphors) the full ecumenical vision has fallen by the wayside in the past few decades.
  • That appears to be the case in this area. There was a 'United Service' at one of the churches in Our Place's Deanery, but AFAIK it was a sort of gospel concert hosted by a choir from Uganda.

    The various denominations - or at least, their leaders - have a good rapport, and meet together regularly, but their congregations are, for the most part, indifferent to joint services, and in any case are (with a couple of exceptions) shrinking rapidly.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    This year our regional synod is sponsoring gatherings with the two local dioceses of the Episcopal Church (Eastern Washington and Idaho) and the local equivalents of the United Christian, Methodist and Presbyterian Churches. The first one was entitled Gathered at the Font to recognize our common baptism. Two more workshops will follow into this year. Not sure what the titles will be. Will be going to them too.
  • MrsBeakyMrsBeaky Shipmate
    I do think a big factor in reduced support for these things is that life is just really, really hard for a lot of people and has been for quite some time.
    Energy levels are being as closely rationed as money.
    That said, I do think the expression of commitment to unity is not at the forefront of many churches' practice at the moment but apart from those whose doctrinal basis means they avoid ecumenism I'd say the heart of unity is still beating here in the Chichester churches.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Around here we have ageing and declining congregations in the mainstream churches, and a couple of independent chapels who have never been involved. So the annual service is declining too. There used to be regular clergy meetings, but I'm not sure if they continue.
    On the plus side relations between churches are much warmer than they were in the 70s. and church members are heavily involved with food banks and charity shops, so churchy things get chatted about and mulled over in less formal settings.
    We also have an annual street nativity in the town centre and an annual Red Wednesday service which is a joint enterprise.
    So other things are happening.
    And I think that is about as far as ecumenism will go. And it has been a considerable distance in one lifetime. Corporate/structural union is all about definitions, jobs for the girls and boys and who gets to pay the bills. And those nettles are too painful to grasp.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    I think that one factor is that disunity between denominations is much less important in people's heads. The major doctrinal division among protestants is between conservatives of any denomination and non-conservatives rather than between say paedobaptism and exclusively adult baptism. For the average lay person denomination is primarily an aesthetic choice. It's hard to feel that a taste for hymn sandwiches over Common Worship is a scandal that must be overcome.
  • Talking to Christians in their '70s, ie those 10 years older than me, I was surprised how convinced they'd been that structural unity was about to be achieved.

    I was a teenager back then and although aware of some of the hymns and prayers for unity, wasn't really aware of any moves towards that end. Our local parish church was in decline - a long, slow death which appears about to be realised 50 years on - and all the non-conformist chapels were struggling.

    Even our local Pentecostal church fizzled out - although there are new ones around.

    I think what's been said about a grass-roots warmth and informal cooperation is very true in Protestant circles where denominational labels are increasingly unimportant. That said, I do think that there's a 'market-place' mentality there with people gravitating to whichever church offers the 'best' programme - however that's defined.

    I don’t think RC and Orthodox churches are immune from that either I hasten to add.

    I do wish my own Church was more involved in ecumenism than it is - some of the beardy-weirdy ultra-traditionalists and starry-eyed new converts and catechumens are distinctly anti-ecumenical. They see that as part of their defining identity I'm afraid.

    On an individual level, though, relations can be cordial and I go out of my way to ensure that they remain so in my own case. Heck, I'm 'seeing' (or 'dating') a Protestant Christian... but I'd be lying if I said that conversations with her and with people in her congregation weren't difficult at times.

    But I persevere.

    As indeed we all must.
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    This year our regional synod is sponsoring gatherings with the two local dioceses of the Episcopal Church (Eastern Washington and Idaho) and the local equivalents of the United Christian, Methodist and Presbyterian Churches.
    With regard to “United Christian,” do you mean the United Church of Christ (“UCC”) or some other group?

    I don’t think I’ve ever encountered anything related to the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity in real life, except perhaps occasional references in denominational news releases. I see a variety of ecumenical endeavors, but the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity has never been one of them.


  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    The Week of Prayer for Christian Unity used to be strongly supported in my town. Not that organic unity was something to be sought after necessarily, but a recognition that there was more that united us than divided us was certainly of utmost importance - and a show of solidarity in the town was public evidence of this.

    Several occasions during the year were promoted or celebrated jointly, including the ( Methodist) Covenant Service, Lent study groups, Good Friday procession of witness, Stations of the Cross, a soup lunch during Christian Aid week, Children’s Week in August, Remembrance Day in November and carol singing in December. Services in care homes were led by a team drawn from all churches. A welcome pack to occupants of new houses was a joint project.

    Sadly none of this happens now, not so much because the concept of unity is outdated, but because the co-operation necessary for these things to happen was withdrawn from one side, for “ theological reasons”.
  • O the irony...
    :disappointed:
  • Which theological reasons?
  • BullfrogBullfrog Shipmate
    The fact that I was completely unaware of it might be indicating something.
  • Has it been a specifically British thing? If it's been mentioned in despatches in denominational newsletters that @Nick Tamen's seen then it would appear to be known to some extent internationally.

    That said, I'm sure a lot of British churches wouldn't have been aware of it at all, particularly independent ones. Anglicans, Methodists, Baptist Union churches and the URC would be the most aware of it I think among the Protestant churches. The Kirk in Scotland too, of course.
  • GwaiGwai Epiphanies Host
    Bullfrog wrote: »
    The fact that I was completely unaware of it might be indicating something.

    Of course one thing it indicates is that pastors sometimes do these things without telling people. You and I attended a church that observed this, but did not know it. (I only know because it came up in a side conversation I had with one of the leaders.)

    Leads me to think that maybe the week for Christian unity thing is more a clergy thing these days than a lay thing. If churches are going to do it, they should talk about it.
  • BullfrogBullfrog Shipmate
    Gwai wrote: »
    Bullfrog wrote: »
    The fact that I was completely unaware of it might be indicating something.

    Of course one thing it indicates is that pastors sometimes do these things without telling people. You and I attended a church that observed this, but did not know it. (I only know because it came up in a side conversation I had with one of the leaders.)

    Leads me to think that maybe the week for Christian unity thing is more a clergy thing these days than a lay thing. If churches are going to do it, they should talk about it.

    You're right, I do remember that now that you mention it. But that was very geeky church with a high clergy-to-lay ratio.

    I think...maybe...this is a thing for a particular kind of ecumenism geek and hasn't really broken out of that shell. Noting for strangers that I think "geek" is a term of affection and not an insult, meaning a person with a very particular interest in a particular topic.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited January 16
    Has it been a specifically British thing? If it's been mentioned in despatches in denominational newsletters that @Nick Tamen's seen then it would appear to be known to some extent internationally.
    It’s not a specifically British thing. It began as a Roman Catholic thing and is now promoted by the World Council of Churches. (And my understanding is that it’s kept in the days between Ascension Day and Pentecost in the Southern Hemisphere.)

    But my experience, at least, is that in the US, the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity is something that is not typically marked on a local basis; it’s mainly on a more national basis that church bodies might take note of it. (And as @Gwai says, it may be that clergy take more note of it than folks in the pews.)

    That doesn’t mean ecumenism doesn’t happen at the local and regional level. It does. But in my experience, the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity has not typically been part of that local or regional ecumenism.


  • Firstly, Unity is never an end in itself. It is a necessity to reach another goal. Whether it is to give a better witness to the World, World Evangelism, peace initiatives, cooperation in serving the poor etc, etc. This is as true of Christ's prayer that Christians may be one as He and the Father are one as any other plea since. There it is to reflect the relationship between the Father and the Son into the World and thus a practical witness to the nature of God's love. The modern ecumenical movement was founded by missionaries who were concerned primarily with the evangelisation of the nations. I am not saying these motives are right or wrong, but when Church structural unity becomes the end goal, it is bound to fail.
  • It seems to me that, if we ever did attain structural unity (at what cost?) we would immediately begin pouring all our effort into protecting it. Possibly too much effort.

    We might be better to focus on less visible forms of unity.
  • It seems to me that, if we ever did attain structural unity (at what cost?) we would immediately begin pouring all our effort into protecting it. Possibly too much effort.

    We might be better to focus on less visible forms of unity.

    This.

    I note that FatherInCharge states on his weekly pew-sheet that the Week begins on 18th January, but there is no mention of any united service or event.

    The Ugandan Choir's gospel concert last Sunday appears to have been Our Deanery's contribution - maybe they had to fit us into a tight schedule! FInC and A N Other were the only people from Our Place in attendance...
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    It seems to me that, if we ever did attain structural unity (at what cost?) we would immediately begin pouring all our effort into protecting it. Possibly too much effort.

    We might be better to focus on less visible forms of unity.

    And how long would the unity last?
  • Right up until the next schism.
  • Schism? Between Christians? Surely not!
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited January 16
    Ha! Your lot may think that, but my lot begs to differ...and what we believe is In The Bible™, so there.
    :lol:
  • Actually, most acts of unity are ways of creating three churches out of two.
  • BullfrogBullfrog Shipmate
    edited January 16
    Jengie Jon wrote: »
    Firstly, Unity is never an end in itself. It is a necessity to reach another goal. Whether it is to give a better witness to the World, World Evangelism, peace initiatives, cooperation in serving the poor etc, etc. This is as true of Christ's prayer that Christians may be one as He and the Father are one as any other plea since. There it is to reflect the relationship between the Father and the Son into the World and thus a practical witness to the nature of God's love. The modern ecumenical movement was founded by missionaries who were concerned primarily with the evangelisation of the nations. I am not saying these motives are right or wrong, but when Church structural unity becomes the end goal, it is bound to fail.

    That is a fine observation. Politically...yep. I don't think that's just churches. Maybe that's why Protestants haven't bothered uniting all of our various and sundry factions. Too much bother for something that wouldn't mean anything.

    [And yes, nothing creates a fight like insisting that people get along...yikes.]
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Jengie Jon wrote: »
    Actually, most acts of unity are ways of creating three churches out of two.

    Or at least 2. "Mending" the Disruption only left a rump on the Free Church of Scotland side.
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    Maybe I spoke too soon earlier. The Methodists have announced a service at 3pm on Sunday 25 January for the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity. So far there is no indication whether the Anglicans will be joining them officially.
  • Puzzler wrote: »
    Maybe I spoke too soon earlier. The Methodists have announced a service at 3pm on Sunday 25 January for the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity. So far there is no indication whether the Anglicans will be joining them officially.

    Hopefully, the Anglicans will join in, whether officially or not. Are there any other denominations likely to be involved?
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    This year our regional synod is sponsoring gatherings with the two local dioceses of the Episcopal Church (Eastern Washington and Idaho) and the local equivalents of the United Christian, Methodist and Presbyterian Churches.
    With regard to “United Christian,” do you mean the United Church of Christ (“UCC”) or some other group?

    I don’t think I’ve ever encountered anything related to the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity in real life, except perhaps occasional references in denominational news releases. I see a variety of ecumenical endeavors, but the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity has never been one of them.


    Yes, I meant the United Church of Christ.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Ha! Your lot may think that, but my lot begs to differ...and what we believe is In The Bible™, so there.
    :lol:

    Being a little pedantic here: We believe the Word as it is testified to in the Bible. To quote Luther: The Bible is the cradle in which the Word of God is found.
  • March HareMarch Hare Shipmate
    edited January 17
    When church/chapel-going is the norm, precisely what flavour 'your lot' are matters - witness the multiple chapels in Welsh villages - some the result of spats and taking the huff within congregations. When faith recedes, it matters a good deal less, and we start to recognise that what we share is much more important than what divides us. The 'peace bonus' of rural chapels closing is the cessation of former antagonisms as we worship together.

    Which is a long-winded way of saying that maybe we were pursuing the wrong sort of unity anyway.

    And for those young people newly discovering the Christian faith, denomination matters not a jot - it is authenticity which counts.
  • March Hare wrote: »
    The 'peace bonus' of rural chapels closing is the cessation of former antagonisms as we worship together.
    Up to a point. But many folk are so wedded to "their" chapel or tradition that, when it closes, they do not seek affiliation with another but give up collective worship.

    I could guess that, if chapel A with 20 members decide to close and merge with chapel B which has the same number of people, at least 10 from A will be "lost" in the process. More if there are ancient rivalries and/or transport difficulties.

  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    Ha! Your lot may think that, but my lot begs to differ...and what we believe is In The Bible™, so there.
    :lol:

    Being a little pedantic here: We believe the Word as it is testified to in the Bible. To quote Luther: The Bible is the cradle in which the Word of God is found.

    See!
  • Jengie Jon wrote: »
    Firstly, Unity is never an end in itself. It is a necessity to reach another goal. Whether it is to give a better witness to the World, World Evangelism, peace initiatives, cooperation in serving the poor etc, etc. This is as true of Christ's prayer that Christians may be one as He and the Father are one as any other plea since. There it is to reflect the relationship between the Father and the Son into the World and thus a practical witness to the nature of God's love. The modern ecumenical movement was founded by missionaries who were concerned primarily with the evangelisation of the nations. I am not saying these motives are right or wrong, but when Church structural unity becomes the end goal, it is bound to fail.

    I rather think that we have the beginnings of that unity already, if not more. I mean, there's no way God would allow Christ's prayer to go unanswered, is there? And generally speaking, while he allows us to participate in the work he's doing in the world, he never leaves the fulfillment of it completely in our hands--"Without me, you can do nothing," he says, and knows far better than us just how true that is.

    So that inclines me to look around and ask, "What unity do we already have that might be a fulfillment of Jesus' prayer--and how can we build on it?"

    We don't have structural unity--and indeed, we never truly did have that, we took our start from a handful of congregations planted across the Middle East, and while everyone looked to the apostles for guidance, AFAIK nobody ever bothered them with questions of administration, governance, or finance--the kinds of things we have bureacracies for here now. (Before someone starts with me about the food distribution in Acts etc., I'm talking here about one congregation elsewhere sending a request for guidance to the apostles who weren't there already--not to what might happen within a congregation that happened to have an apostle or three on hand.)

    What we did have (and still have, to a degree) are these things:

    1. We trust, worship, and follow Jesus Christ. We are not looking for a successor to him, and we are certain nobody will ever supersede him.
    2. We acknowledge him to be both God and human.
    3. We all agree that Jesus died for our sake and was raised by God from the dead, and continues alive today.
    4. We all look for his return as he promised.
    5. We all admit that any human being may be a Christian and receive God's gifts of forgiveness, salvation, adoption, etc. No gender, age, ethnicity, or disability can keep a person out of the faith.
    6. We all admit that our lives ought to reflect obedience to Jesus' teachings, even though he's handling our salvation himself (that is, we're not effecting it--he is). Possibly another universal would be this: We all admit that we're fucking up.
    7. We share one baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
    8. We practice the Lord's Supper and it is recognizably the same thing, in spite of our conflicts over who eats together.
    9. We recognize the same canon, although some of us have the deuterocanonical books too. That is, we are all people of the Book, and it's the same book, even though we have arguments about a subsection.
    10. We have the custom of meeting together weekly, if not more often, for corporate worship (and I never realized how much we take this for granted until I started working among and caring for people who have NO corporate worship, only private, and realized how deeply that gift has formed our various cultures.
    11. We have the charge of Jesus to take this faith to everyone in the world--and though we fuck it up, we all know a. we ought to be doing it, b. we ought not to do it by force, and c. those we evangelize become our brothers and sisters, not our subordinates or dependents.

    I would like to add the doctrines of monotheism and the Trinity to the list, but expect that someone will pop up to start an argument about whether the JWs and the Mormons are Christians (no, I say), and then the thread will get dragged off in that direction to nobody's profit IMHO. So I'll hold off.


  • Adding here that I'm speaking of Christians as groups--not individuals--because individuals can go off the rails in any number of ways, and do. But it fascinates me that while we get occasional whole groups that manage to leave out one of these marks--for instance, I understand the Salvation Army doesn't baptize--still, they permit members to be baptized if they choose, and the SA does not reject the other things on the list.

    I think what I'm fumbling to say is--we don't see groups that are half-Christian--groups that accept maybe half the things on that list, and repudiate the rest. Christianity is not a spectrum with indefinable edges that shade off into something else. You really have to dig to find groups that are questionable in major ways, and they tend not to last very long, historically.
  • March Hare wrote: »
    When church/chapel-going is the norm, precisely what flavour 'your lot' are matters - witness the multiple chapels in Welsh villages - some the result of spats and taking the huff within congregations. When faith recedes, it matters a good deal less, and we start to recognise that what we share is much more important than what divides us. The 'peace bonus' of rural chapels closing is the cessation of former antagonisms as we worship together.

    Which is a long-winded way of saying that maybe we were pursuing the wrong sort of unity anyway.

    And for those young people newly discovering the Christian faith, denomination matters not a jot - it is authenticity which counts.

    I'm not sure the last bit is strictly accurate. I'm Orthodox. Like the RCs and many evangelical churches, we're suddenly getting an influx of yoing people who are newly discovering the Christian faith. Those I've spoken to specifically want to express and pursue that in an Orthodox context. Some have explored other options and some haven't.

    There are a lot of Orthodox apologists - and proselytisers online - some of them with highly questionable credentials. Most of the young people - largely young men - we are getting have picked all sorts of things up online and they seem attracted by what they see as the rigour of it and often strident claims that we are the One True ChurchTM.

    The same thing seems to be happening to some extent in RC circles.

    Big truth claims can attract.

    What us older folk are noticing is that they're picking up very quickly on the internal politics (Orthodoxy has that in spades) and the very polemical tone of some of the 'Interdox' pundits.

    Thankfully, when they stick around a bit they realise that it's actually about Christ and not about some kind of macho anti-woke crusade.

    I'm hoping that they'll shed the nasty stuff as they mature.

    Whatever the case, in the instance of those youngsters who are choosing 'niche' spiritual homes such as Orthodoxy or traditional Roman Catholic parishes I don't think your observations apply, @March Hare.

    I've spoken to young people - women as well as young men - who have gravitated towards Orthodoxy because they feel patronised by the fare on offer at trendy evangelical churches. Others who haven't visited any other kind of church but came along because somebody told them on a podcast that it was the only option. Still others who've looked at everything from Judaism to Buddhism to the Quran to Roman Catholicism and every flavour of Protestant.

    Ok, this is a subset of young people I'm talking about but it does illustrate that particular church affiliations are important to some of these new converts and enquirers.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited January 17
    I don’t think what you’re describing, @Gamma Gamaliel, is actually inconsistent with what @March Hare said. March Hare said authenticity is what young people are really seeking. What you describe boils down to young people seeking authenticity and finding the authenticity they seek in the big truth claims and practices of Orthodoxy or Catholicism. They don’t come to Orthodoxy simply because they decided to look for a church and decided at the outset that church could only be Orthodox. They explored a variety of traditions and found in Orthodoxy what they were looking for.


  • Sure. I didn't express myself clearly enough.

    I agree with your elucidation of points I was struggling to make.

    It wasn't the authenticity issue I was pushing back at, but the idea that all the young people we are seeing exploring the Christian faith aren't in the least bothered about differences in church affiliation.

    Many of those gravitating towards Orthodox or RC settings will be doing so because they believe those expressions of Christianity are more 'authentic' or represent the real-deal as it were.

    Otherwise they would be more than happy to rock up at their local Methodist, Baptist, URC or Anglican church.

    It does seem to me that 'quiet revival' or no 'quiet revival', most of the young people we are seeing exploring the faith are doing so in churches that either make big truth claims or which are 'exotic' or distinctive in some way.

    Hence they are turning up at charismatic evangelical churches or RC and Orthodox churches rather than what we might call bog-standard mainline Protestant churches where things might be see as somewhat beige.

    Ok, perhaps some of them will gravitate to more liberal or nuanced churches in the fullness of time. I'm not saying you can't find nuance in the other settings I mentioned but you know what I mean.

    FWIW I obviously believe that younger people exploring faith is a good thing, wherever it occurs. That doesn't mean I aim to overlook some of the baggage or issues some of them are bringing with them in my own setting.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    The French have coined a word for the large number of young people who have been joining the church in recent years. They seem to be embracing the old liturgy with its Latin chant and incense-laden mystique and also the more modern exciting charismatic style, moving comfortably between them. Commentators are calling them "tradismatiques."
    Given that older generations have been somewhat divided between traditionalists and Vatican 2 enthiusiasts with liturgy being used as a flag to rally behind on both sides .... this would seem to be a positive development.
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    I know a number of longer-standing Christians who, on moving house, have sought out the church where they feel most welcome and comfortable, regardless of denomination or affiliation. Reasons for this will be as varied as the individuals, but could surprise the welcoming churches if they learned what they were.
  • All of which suggests that the search for Christian unity, in the form it was promulgated in, say, the '50s and '60s of the last century, may prove to have been not the vitally necessary step it seemed at the time.
  • Hmm ... it did at least getting people talking and considering these things, something which hadn't been happening a great deal before that time, so one could argue that it served a useful purpose in that respect.

    @Alan29 - ha ha - nice one! I'd not heard that. Thanks for sharing it.

    I think that's a positive development too, although I have heard it said that some French yoof are turning to these things in rebellion against the liberalism of their parents.

    I imagine there will be a range of factors and motivations.

    As there will be with us older folks.

    A US Episcopalian priest observed to me back in the summer that a similar influx of people into more liturgical and sacramental churches in the States was to some extent American 'rebelliousness' all over again.

    Their forebears had rebelled against 'state-churches' and more formally liturgical churches to set up independent congregations. Now they were rebelling against that...

    Perhaps da French yoof - les jeunes Francaise - are demonstrating some kind of both/and way forward ...

    Incidentally, does everyone have any stats on the French scene? I read somewhere that there are 10,000 more people attending Mass in France than there were pre-Covid. That's encouraging but if true hardly represents a mass movement in a country the size of France.
  • Our local 'Churches Together ' group has organised a service at a little 'house church ' type church. In fact it has just started (3pm UK time) but I'm not there, visiting my son. 'Refreshments afterwards ' may be the main draw I'm cynically wondering.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    @Gamma Gamaliel many of the French youth are reported as being impressed by the commitment of their Muslim friends and influenced to explore their own spiritual heritage.
  • According to one of the latest surveys in France 47% of the population would call themselves Catholic,2% would call themselves Protestant ,1% would call themselves Orthodox. That does not necessarily mean that they attend church ,nor indeed even believe in God.
    In 2024 7135 adults were baptised at Easter and 5025 adolescents. In 2025 10000 + adults and 7400 adolescents were baptised at Easter according to statistics issued by Catholic bishops in France.
  • It wasn't the authenticity issue I was pushing back at, but the idea that all the young people we are seeing exploring the Christian faith aren't in the least bothered about differences in church affiliation.
    @March Hare can correct me, but I took that observation to mean that at the start of exploration of faith, the typical young person does not feel limited to only exploring churches in a particular denomination or tradition—usually meaning the denomination or tradition of their parents or family—but rather is open to exploring them all.

    That doesn’t mean that the end of their exploration they won’t feel drawn to and connected with one particular denomination or tradition. In other words, that they don’t care one whit about denominations when they begin exploring doesn’t mean they still won’t care one whit when they finish exploring.

  • That's about it, @Nick Tamen - their parents' generation having little interest in religion and hence no denominational allegiance to pass on, the younger generation start from a clean slate. In due course, they work out for themselves just where they feel at home.
  • Thank, @March Hare.

  • Ok. Put that way I can see what @March Hare was driving at. Not that it's their fault I got the wrong end of the stick.

    I have come across young men who have started investigating Orthodoxy though without giving that much attention to the alternatives. These are mostly key-board warrior types.

    Most seem to have done the rounds though or looked at religions other than Christianity too.

    Whether they'll move on elsewhere remains to be seen.

    But I take the point you are making.

    @Alan29 - yes, I've heard that too. The Muslims taking their faith seriously leading to French youth doing the same.

    And thanks for the stats @Forthview.
  • To come back to the original question posed by this thread ...
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